john_sheparrd wrote...
the ending didn't fail it was awesome!
Modifié par Cerbrus operative, 01 décembre 2012 - 11:40 .
Modifié par shodiswe, 01 décembre 2012 - 11:58 .
Some people do have some strange logic - if someone keeps talking about something it means that they really like it? In my experience people go on for longer about things that really annoy them.TK EL wrote...
lol at people still trying to equate outrage and mass dissatisfaction with '"buzzing and speculation" 8 months later.Cadence of the Planes wrote...
HAHA, I was thinking the same thing when I started fighting that human reaper. The entire suicide mission was going well, there was so much tension, then boom- giant metroid robot. Not a bad ending though not a great one either. I'm glad they evolved out of the cliche for ME3 and made ending that STILL has people buzzing and speculating and arguing 8 months later.
Modifié par Brovikk Rasputin, 01 décembre 2012 - 12:35 .
Reorte wrote...
Some people do have some strange logic - if someone keeps talking about something it means that they really like it? In my experience people go on for longer about things that really annoy them.TK EL wrote...
lol at people still trying to equate outrage and mass dissatisfaction with '"buzzing and speculation" 8 months later.Cadence of the Planes wrote...
HAHA, I was thinking the same thing when I started fighting that human reaper. The entire suicide mission was going well, there was so much tension, then boom- giant metroid robot. Not a bad ending though not a great one either. I'm glad they evolved out of the cliche for ME3 and made ending that STILL has people buzzing and speculating and arguing 8 months later.
- I'm still buzzing about how good it was, the conspiracy/ indoctrination theorists are still speculating about it, and you're still arguing about how much it sucked.
Modifié par Cadence of the Planes, 01 décembre 2012 - 01:48 .
Modifié par Cadence of the Planes, 01 décembre 2012 - 01:37 .
He is taking about ME2's ending.Cerbrus operative wrote...
john_sheparrd wrote...
the ending didn't fail it was awesome!
If the ending is awesome and it did not fail, why did make the "Extended Cut is garbage" thread?
http://social.biowar.../index/12760443
Modifié par silverexile17s, 01 décembre 2012 - 09:16 .
Not a bang. A wimper.Brovikk Rasputin wrote...
It's pretty simple really. Bioware, as you said in the OP, wanted to do something different (which is more than you can say about most big development studios), but the "fans" didn't expect this. Therefore, they got pissed off about the fact that the ending wasn't exactly as they wanted it to be, and thus this whole thing started.
Bioware has said again and again (and again) that they're done with the ending related DLC, and that we'll have to deal with the ending as it is. The gave us the Extended Cut as a "sorry for screwing up"-present, and it fixed the ending for a lot of people.
Demanding a new ending at this point is a waste of time. Going on and on about how you think the writing is bad and how everything about the game is bad, is a waste of time. It's over. It's been 8 months. The MEHEM mod for the PC was the closing statement of this whole discussion.
Shepard went out with a bang, and the ending (after the EC that is) wasn't a failure. Some of you just didn't like it.
Wintermist wrote...
Well, for me the ending is perfectly fine, without the EC it was certainly too short and didn't explain much of what happened after. That's the kind of stuff I wanted to know. And that was fixed with that free DLC. People may mislike the ending and for some I guess because they don't understand what the ending actually means. It's a lot deeper than the average game. Granted, I did not get the same epic conclusion I got from ME1, because that was fantastic. ME3 did still feel good, just not that epic.
Now if I wanted to say one ending was a failure, it was ME2, going through the relay was fine, and entering the base... tension... but then... a giant robot boss fight?! I jokingly thought I was playing Metroid Effect at that point. So, to me, if one game had a failed ending, it most certainly was ME2.
Modifié par iamthedave3, 02 décembre 2012 - 12:04 .
Bioware seriosuly needs to remember this for future games. DO NOT LEAVE SUCH IMPORTANT IMFORMATION FOR DLCS. Seriously, the stuff in From Ashes alone was crazy important for anyone even remotely interested in the lore. And don't even get me started on Leviathan. EC too of course.darkshadow136 wrote...
I think if Bioware would have released the game with the extended cut, Leviathan DLC, and from ashes with the game the endings would have passed just fine. But the revelation of at least from ashes DLC being already on the game disc and people being charged for it, and the fact that without the aforementioned other content the ending seemed rushed, unfinished, lame, and made no sense left a bad taste in peoples mouths.
If it would have been released with all the content above I would have been quite happy with the endings of ME3.
TK EL wrote...
Cadence of the Planes wrote...
HAHA, I was thinking the same thing when I started fighting that human reaper. The entire suicide mission was going well, there was so much tension, then boom- giant metroid robot. Not a bad ending though not a great one either. I'm glad they evolved out of the cliche for ME3 and made ending that STILL has people buzzing and speculating and arguing 8 months later.
lol at people still trying to equate outrage and mass dissatisfaction with '"buzzing and speculation" 8 months later.
Brovikk Rasputin wrote...
It's pretty simple really. Bioware, as you said in the OP, wanted to do something different (which is more than you can say about most big development studios), but the "fans" didn't expect this. Therefore, they got pissed off about the fact that the ending wasn't exactly as they wanted it to be, and thus this whole thing started.
Bioware has said again and again (and again) that they're done with the ending related DLC, and that we'll have to deal with the ending as it is. The gave us the Extended Cut as a "sorry for screwing up"-present, and it fixed the ending for a lot of people.
Demanding a new ending at this point is a waste of time. Going on and on about how you think the writing is bad and how everything about the game is bad, is a waste of time. It's over. It's been 8 months. The MEHEM mod for the PC was the closing statement of this whole discussion.
Shepard went out with a bang, and the ending (after the EC that is) wasn't a failure. Some of you just didn't like it.
I see you're splitting hairs even when the one who's insulting people is you especially when you're forcing opinion onto others.silverexile17s wrote...
1. See? That right there was an insult. I never accused you of being ignorant or spreading it. I said that you accuse other people of being ignorant and spreading ignorance, and that is being insulting. I never called you ignorant. You were the one that said that "everyone is ignorant in one way or another". Not me.
I said that you insult people by calling them ignorant.
And again, every time I asked you to present something that proved that your opinions were fact, you clammed up.
If this is a dicisussion of fact, then post your source. Show us what makes your word such "fact," when you say that even Dictonaries and Wikis (the modern sources of information) are subjective sources of information and not accurate.
2. Can you show me anyone that fully agreed with your views, or a thread in which people didn't cringe at your arrival?
From what I've seen, everyone dread's your arrival on a thread. Don't you find that odd on that's how everyone reacts to you?
3. But when I tried to get the thread back on topic by asking why the ending failed, you came in and said that that nothing to do with the diciussion on insults. Even though this thread has nothing to do with the diciussion of insults.
See where I'm comming from?
How is something factual when opinion isn't based on fact hence why Winter used God because we don't know if he exists.Wulfram wrote...
Wintermist wrote...
I wish people would start using "I think" more often.
"Possible reasons why I think the ending failed."
"Why I think Omega sucked."
And so on and so on...
It's like me saying "God doesn't exist" when I mean "I think God doesn't exist".
Eh, the ending did fail, that's fairly factual. It evoked different reactions to what were intended, and left many consumers unsatisfied.
Unless the intention was massive fan revolt and having to put out a DLC to fix it.
Though you could certainly say that it worked for you, or (if you really wanted to) argue that it succeeded artistically.
It seems like you forgot about something called opinion. If you're upset about ME3 then you must blame ME1 and ME2 for shaping ME3.iamthedave3 wrote...
Wintermist wrote...
Well, for me the ending is perfectly fine, without the EC it was certainly too short and didn't explain much of what happened after. That's the kind of stuff I wanted to know. And that was fixed with that free DLC. People may mislike the ending and for some I guess because they don't understand what the ending actually means. It's a lot deeper than the average game. Granted, I did not get the same epic conclusion I got from ME1, because that was fantastic. ME3 did still feel good, just not that epic.
Now if I wanted to say one ending was a failure, it was ME2, going through the relay was fine, and entering the base... tension... but then... a giant robot boss fight?! I jokingly thought I was playing Metroid Effect at that point. So, to me, if one game had a failed ending, it most certainly was ME2.
What it means is that Bioware decided their dumb action movie storyline needed to be profound at the eleventh hour, so shoehorned a bunch of BS into the storyline to shove it down the players' throats. This resulted in many players gagging and having choking fits.
The ending is not deeper than the average game. It just wants to be.
Though yes, the incredibly goofy boss fight at the end of ME2 was ill-conceived. The final mission was amazing overall, though, and the actual ending part of the ending was satisfying.
Modifié par Blueprotoss, 03 décembre 2012 - 02:15 .
Some of them would have found a way to complain even when ME3 had two more years of developement/production compared to ME2 and Kasumi's Stolen Memory also had the character on disc ike in From Ashes.darkshadow136 wrote...
I think if Bioware would have released the game with the extended cut, Leviathan DLC, and from ashes with the game the endings would have passed just fine. But the revelation of at least from ashes DLC being already on the game disc and people being charged for it, and the fact that without the aforementioned other content the ending seemed rushed, unfinished, lame, and made no sense left a bad taste in peoples mouths.
If it would have been released with all the content above I would have been quite happy with the endings of ME3.
1. I didn't insult anyone. I said that you insult people by calling them ignorant.Blueprotoss wrote...
I see you're splitting hairs even when the one who's insulting people is you especially when you're forcing opinion onto others.silverexile17s wrote...
1. See? That right there was an insult. I never accused you of being ignorant or spreading it. I said that you accuse other people of being ignorant and spreading ignorance, and that is being insulting. I never called you ignorant. You were the one that said that "everyone is ignorant in one way or another". Not me.
I said that you insult people by calling them ignorant.
And again, every time I asked you to present something that proved that your opinions were fact, you clammed up.
If this is a dicisussion of fact, then post your source. Show us what makes your word such "fact," when you say that even Dictonaries and Wikis (the modern sources of information) are subjective sources of information and not accurate.
2. Can you show me anyone that fully agreed with your views, or a thread in which people didn't cringe at your arrival?
From what I've seen, everyone dread's your arrival on a thread. Don't you find that odd on that's how everyone reacts to you?
3. But when I tried to get the thread back on topic by asking why the ending failed, you came in and said that that nothing to do with the diciussion on insults. Even though this thread has nothing to do with the diciussion of insults.
See where I'm comming from?
I see you're still speaking for the majority of BSN that neither of us have "talked" to and there's nothing wrong with people disagreeing with each other in a civil way. even when you're not interested in being civil.
Thats odd because when we 1st met you decided to lash out at me for disagreeing with you.
1. The many news and press articles make it pretty factual that ME3's ending was not well liked. The ending failed. The fan reactions, and the release of the EC to fix it, prove that.Blueprotoss wrote...
How is something factual when opinion isn't based on fact hence why Winter used God because we don't know if he exists.Wulfram wrote...
Wintermist wrote...
I wish people would start using "I think" more often.
"Possible reasons why I think the ending failed."
"Why I think Omega sucked."
And so on and so on...
It's like me saying "God doesn't exist" when I mean "I think God doesn't exist".
Eh, the ending did fail, that's fairly factual. It evoked different reactions to what were intended, and left many consumers unsatisfied.
Unless the intention was massive fan revolt and having to put out a DLC to fix it.
Though you could certainly say that it worked for you, or (if you really wanted to) argue that it succeeded artistically.It seems like you forgot about something called opinion. If you're upset about ME3 then you must blame ME1 and ME2 for shaping ME3.iamthedave3 wrote...
Wintermist wrote...
Well, for me the ending is perfectly fine, without the EC it was certainly too short and didn't explain much of what happened after. That's the kind of stuff I wanted to know. And that was fixed with that free DLC. People may mislike the ending and for some I guess because they don't understand what the ending actually means. It's a lot deeper than the average game. Granted, I did not get the same epic conclusion I got from ME1, because that was fantastic. ME3 did still feel good, just not that epic.
Now if I wanted to say one ending was a failure, it was ME2, going through the relay was fine, and entering the base... tension... but then... a giant robot boss fight?! I jokingly thought I was playing Metroid Effect at that point. So, to me, if one game had a failed ending, it most certainly was ME2.
What it means is that Bioware decided their dumb action movie storyline needed to be profound at the eleventh hour, so shoehorned a bunch of BS into the storyline to shove it down the players' throats. This resulted in many players gagging and having choking fits.
The ending is not deeper than the average game. It just wants to be.
Though yes, the incredibly goofy boss fight at the end of ME2 was ill-conceived. The final mission was amazing overall, though, and the actual ending part of the ending was satisfying.
No. That was a set of lines. The character model, powers, and mission were not on the disk.Blueprotoss wrote...
Some of them would have found a way to complain even when ME3 had two more years of developement/production compared to ME2 and Kasumi's Stolen Memory also had the character on disc ike in From Ashes.darkshadow136 wrote...
I think if Bioware would have released the game with the extended cut, Leviathan DLC, and from ashes with the game the endings would have passed just fine. But the revelation of at least from ashes DLC being already on the game disc and people being charged for it, and the fact that without the aforementioned other content the ending seemed rushed, unfinished, lame, and made no sense left a bad taste in peoples mouths.
If it would have been released with all the content above I would have been quite happy with the endings of ME3.
So perhaps that would stop using Fan when referring to only those who are unhappy, exluding us who ARE happy as Fans.
I wish more people would be like this because opinion is far from being a fact and everyone has their own set of tastes. I love how there are two sides of a coin while some people will choose to ignore it even when most of the time like this time the outrage is from the smaller group.Wintermist wrote...
I said my peice and don't feel a need to argue it, since as was also said, it's my opinion, not me stating a fact about how the game was.
And people say the Fans outrage, but you see, us Fans also DON'T outrage. We're all still fans, but perhaps, if we want to be techincal, us who do not outrage could possibly be seen as proper Fans, since we're happy about it, and those outraged wouldn't be AS big Fans anymore, right? Fan = Happy. Not as big a Fan = Not as happy.
Well, that's philosophy for you
Modifié par Blueprotoss, 03 décembre 2012 - 08:23 .
This is odd since I'm not deflecting anything and you're insulting people over a difference of views.silverexile17s wrote...
1. I didn't insult anyone. I said that you insult people by calling them ignorant.
That's both insulting, and, trying to force your own opinion of them onto others by accusing them of "spreading ignorance."
Once again, you are talking about your own reflection.
2. Constantly calling people ignorant, or liers in all but name, doesn't breed the image of you being a civil talker to these people, according to the posts that everyone decribes you with, which range to " the level of unlogic he can reach is astounding" to "I don't think he even reads the topic before he replies. He just skims it," to "Blueprotoss has come back to necro a long forgotten post."
It may or may not be the entire BSN, but every post/thread you have been on has reacted negitively to your arrival. That is more then concidence. I have yet to see one person that reacted to your appearance on a thread positively.
3. No. I defended the person you lashed out against, just because you saw that they were not a fan of the ME3 endings. And you were the one that lashed out at everyone, without a rhime or reason, or ever giving proof to your claims of "logic" and "fact." Not once have you put up any source that confirms any of your assumptions, accusations, or opinions. And when someone puts up a source that you cannot claim is not fact, or asks you what proves your own points, you vanish.
I'm pretty sure you weren't alive in the 90s when the ESRB wasn't around and I'm also sure that you don't watch the news that often. Oddly enugh there was more news coverage about the ME1 "full blown" nudity, MW2 airport scene, the US/British military protesting Medal of Honor, and Lara Croft being "raped" in the Tomb Raider reboot got more media attention on an individual basis then the ME3 endings.silverexile17s wrote...
1. The many news and press articles make it pretty factual that ME3's ending was not well liked. The ending failed. The fan reactions, and the release of the EC to fix it, prove that.
2. And that is no less an opinion.... how?
BioWare moved away from the satisfaction levels the first two games had. There were many fans hoping that there would be more battles like the Human-Reaper one.
And in the end, nothing an all three games anounted to anything regarding the endings, so none of the things in ME1, ME2, or ME3 shaped the ending an a satisfying, or meaningfull way.
How is that when Zaeed's, Kasumi's, and Javik's character models, dialogue, and powers were on disc while its nothing new.silverexile17s wrote...
No. That was a set of lines. The character model, powers, and mission were not on the disk.
Javik's fully rendered model, lines and weapon were, so that could be something to be angry about.
But if it had been released with the EC endings, and Omega, and From Ashes already part of the game, instead of as DLC, the positives would have outweighed the negitives. The ending reaction would have still ben bad, but nowhere near as bad as it was over the original endings.
Modifié par Blueprotoss, 03 décembre 2012 - 08:20 .
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