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I agree with your statement\\premise OP, however the fact that choice has always driven the ME narrative and ME3 was billed as our choices over the course of 3 games coming to a dramatic conclusion. The those same choices were relegated to mere war assets numbers (or dead characters left out of your story) - the only real choice that affected the concusion was which color to pick at the end.

[silverexile17s]

Wintermist wrote...

I said my peice and don't feel a need to argue it, since as was also said, it's my opinion, not me stating a fact about how the game was.

And people say the Fans outrage, but you see, us Fans also DON'T outrage. We're all still fans, but perhaps, if we want to be techincal, us who do not outrage could possibly be seen as proper Fans, since we're happy about it, and those outraged wouldn't be AS big Fans anymore, right? Fan = Happy. Not as big a Fan = Not as happy.

Well, that's philosophy for you So perhaps that would stop using Fan when referring to only those who are unhappy, exluding us who ARE happy as Fans.

Just because something upsets a fan, does not make them any less of a fan. If anything, being upset on something just shows you care about it, and want to see it done justice. The fan outrage over ME3's ending seems to place you in the minoraty in terms of "caring fans", if you look at the majority count.

Despite what you say, though, there is no real diffeence between fans that are content with teh product, and fans that are not. It's all still fans. Just bacause you didn't get upset over the game doesn't make you any more of a "proper fan" then anyone else, just as those that were upset are not any less "proper fans" then you are.

Fan = Happy + Not as happy.  And vice-versa.
Simple as that.

The only time that changs, is when someone hates something, juts because they personally feel screwed over, like if they don't like the ending, they instantly decide the entire game is worthless, and nitpick every minute little detail, and gripe and rage on and on about how "it's all garbage" and "it was worse then the original" or "BioWare deserves to close down" or "I hope they close down." THAT is not a fan. It's a troll.

And there is a difference between trolling and offering constructive critisism via opinions based on the general ideals of something.

But the term "Proper fan" doesn't really exist. There are just Fans, (who like the good, and are not afraid to point out the bad) and Trolls (which rage on everything).

Modifié par silverexile17s, 04 décembre 2012 - 03:02 .

[silverexile17s]

Blueprotoss wrote...

silverexile17s wrote...

1. I didn't insult anyone. I said that you insult people by calling them ignorant.
That's both insulting, and, trying to force your own opinion of them onto others by accusing them of "spreading ignorance."
Once again, you are talking about your own reflection.

2. Constantly calling people ignorant, or liers in all but name, doesn't breed the image of you being a civil talker to these people, according to the posts that everyone decribes you with, which range to " the level of unlogic he can reach is astounding" to "I don't think he even reads the topic before he replies. He just skims it," to "Blueprotoss has come back to necro a long forgotten post."
It may or may not be the entire BSN, but every post/thread you have been on has reacted negitively to your arrival. That is more then concidence. I have yet to see one person that reacted to your appearance on a thread positively.

3. No. I defended the person you lashed out against, just because you saw that they were not a fan of the ME3 endings. And you were the one that lashed out at everyone, without a rhime or reason, or ever giving proof to your claims of "logic" and "fact." Not once have you put up any source that confirms any of your assumptions, accusations, or opinions. And when someone puts up a source that you cannot claim is not fact, or asks you what proves your own points, you vanish.

This is odd since I'm not deflecting anything and you're insulting people over a difference of views.

Yet you are being ignorant based on your atittude and the treatment of others.

I didn't lash out at anyone and pointing out the flaws of an arguement without emotion being involved isn't lashing out.  You should know the differences betweeb "fact", logic", and "opinion" even when the only two that are similar is "fact" and "logic".  "Opinion" is what you're using while you're far from "fact" and "logic" based on you're heavy reliance on forcing your views and personal beliefs onto others.

silverexile17s wrote...

1. The many news and press articles make it pretty factual that ME3's ending was not well liked. The ending failed. The fan reactions, and the release of the EC to fix it, prove that.

2. And that is no less an opinion.... how?
BioWare moved away from the satisfaction levels the first two games had. There were many fans hoping that there would be more battles like the Human-Reaper one. 
And in the end, nothing an all three games anounted to anything regarding the endings, so none of the things in ME1, ME2, or ME3 shaped the ending an a satisfying, or meaningfull way.

I'm pretty sure you weren't alive in the 90s when the ESRB wasn't around and I'm also sure that you don't watch the news that often.  Oddly enugh there was more news coverage about the ME1 "full blown" nudity, MW2 airport scene, the US/British military protesting Medal of Honor, and  Lara Croft being "raped" in the Tomb Raider reboot got more media attention on an individual basis then the ME3 endings.

Some people will always complain like how some complained about ME1 and ME2 before ME3 was released while its nothing new, which is a fact not an opinion.

silverexile17s wrote...

No. That was a set of lines. The character model, powers, and mission were not on the disk.
Javik's fully rendered model,  lines and weapon were, so that could be something to be angry about. 

But if it had been released with the EC endings, and Omega, and From Ashes already part of the game, instead of as DLC, the positives would have outweighed the negitives. The ending reaction would have still ben bad, but nowhere near as bad as it was over the original endings.

How is that when Zaeed's, Kasumi's, and Javik's character models, dialogue, and powers were on disc while its nothing new.

Hindsight is 20/20.  To assume that ME3 wouldn't be thrown under the bus based on every DLC is like some people saying the same with ME1 and ME2.

1. Again I say, that was you. I didn't insult anyone. I mearly pointed out the contridiction in how you accuse others.

And again, I was commenting on your treatment of others.

And also, you have not provided anything that makes any of what you said based on either "fact" or "logic."
Until you do, everything you say will never be considered by anyone to be anything more then your own opinion.

2. Untrue. They got the same amount of coverage. And the nudity scene was not that detrimental at the time, because the series still had an open-ended direction to go in.

And again, that isn't just your personal opinion.... how?

3. No. Just Kasumi's diolouge was on the disk, as well as location scripting. Zaeed wasn't. Javik's full lines, powers, character model, and weapon were on the disk.

And Hindsight has nothing to do with it. The compairison exists today. You can look at it side by side and know that had this been released as it is now, the game would not hav had as much flack over the endings.

[Blueprotoss]

silverexile17s wrote...

1. Again I say, that was you. I didn't insult anyone. I mearly pointed out the contridiction in how you accuse others.

And again, I was commenting on your treatment of others.

And also, you have not provided anything that makes any of what you said based on either "fact" or "logic."
Until you do, everything you say will never be considered by anyone to be anything more then your own opinion.

How is that when I'm not insulting anyone and if someone is contradicting themselves then that would be you based on a thing called opinion.

Yet you treat people that don't agree with you with disrespect while I treat everyone with respect.

Pot calling the kettle black even when your focus is only on opinion.

silverexile17s wrote...

2. Untrue. They got the same amount of coverage. And the nudity scene was not that detrimental at the time, because the series still had an open-ended direction to go in.

And again, that isn't just your personal opinion.... how?

How is that when most of the National news networks covered ME1's "full blown" nudity, MW2's No Russian mission,  the US/British military protesting Medal of Honort for months while Lara Croft being "raped" in the Tomb Raider reboot got a couple weeks and ME3's endings got a couple days.  Those couple days was when the small uproar was at its height and Forbes is far from being a National news network.

How is that opinion when thats what happened.

silverexile17s wrote...

3. No. Just Kasumi's diolouge was on the disk, as well as location scripting. Zaeed wasn't. Javik's full lines, powers, character model, and weapon were on the disk.

And Hindsight has nothing to do with it. The compairison exists today. You can look at it side by side and know that had this been released as it is now, the game would not hav had as much flack over the endings.

How is that when Kasumi, Zaeed, and Javik got the same treatment while thats not that hard to understand.

[silverexile17s]

Blueprotoss wrote...

silverexile17s wrote...

1. Again I say, that was you. I didn't insult anyone. I mearly pointed out the contridiction in how you accuse others.

And again, I was commenting on your treatment of others.

And also, you have not provided anything that makes any of what you said based on either "fact" or "logic."
Until you do, everything you say will never be considered by anyone to be anything more then your own opinion.

How is that when I'm not insulting anyone and if someone is contradicting themselves then that would be you based on a thing called opinion.

Yet you treat people that don't agree with you with disrespect while I treat everyone with respect.

Pot calling the kettle black even when your focus is only on opinion.

silverexile17s wrote...

2. Untrue. They got the same amount of coverage. And the nudity scene was not that detrimental at the time, because the series still had an open-ended direction to go in.

And again, that isn't just your personal opinion.... how?

How is that when most of the National news networks covered ME1's "full blown" nudity, MW2's No Russian mission,  the US/British military protesting Medal of Honort for months while Lara Croft being "raped" in the Tomb Raider reboot got a couple weeks and ME3's endings got a couple days.  Those couple days was when the small uproar was at its height and Forbes is far from being a National news network.

How is that opinion when thats what happened.

silverexile17s wrote...

3. No. Just Kasumi's diolouge was on the disk, as well as location scripting. Zaeed wasn't. Javik's full lines, powers, character model, and weapon were on the disk.

And Hindsight has nothing to do with it. The compairison exists today. You can look at it side by side and know that had this been released as it is now, the game would not hav had as much flack over the endings.

How is that when Kasumi, Zaeed, and Javik got the same treatment while thats not that hard to understand.

1. Again, what exactally makes your opinion any less opinion?
If you cannot prove otherwise, stop trying to force-feed this "fact" garbage.

And your accusations of ignorance spreading ignorance is the epitimy of disrespect, as shown by the lack of respect that everyone seems to treat you with. All that happens it that you are getting back what you put out.
And again, no proof that your word is "fact":wizard:

2. First off, ME1 didn' have full blown nudity. Second, there was still an open direction to take the game in from there, unlike now. Third, did that stop the game from moving forward? No, because again, the game still had an open direction to head in.
And may I remind you that the hundrads of posts spanning March to May, (ME3's releae to the EC's release) regarding the ongoing fan rage disprove your "days" comment completely and utterly?
The dates on those articles prove conclusively that the ME3 fan rage lasted for longer the the Lara Croft thing did, and that it held steam until EC was released. It was several weeks before the EC was announced as in development, and those weeks were filled with fan protest.
So no, that was your opinion, and the dates on the articles prove that you are dead wrong.

3. Did you even read the above post?