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[SpamBot2000]

The ending was no noble experiment in storytelling. It was a petulant act of ceremoniously trashing a series that had millions (well, a couple of million) of people identifying with the protagonist over 5 years, unlike.. well, anything seen previously. Perhaps there was an ambition to do something epic for the ending, but this was not it. This was them giving up in a staggeringly mean-spirited way.

The last and greatest betrayal of the last and greatest RPG series.

[Necrotya]

I loved all 3 parts of ME series and I would still give it 8/10 as it is.
Now, for the ending - that I hated btw. I don't mind MY Shep dying, I don't mind my squadmates dying either, but star brat? REALLY?
The conversation with little godchild ( original and EC ) was a fist in the face for me. The logic and arguments that these ppl came up with - I really though it was a joke at first. I won't even go in details cause it was analysed over and over in last 6 moths. But lets just say - BW if you wanted a "philosophical" ending ( deep, dark blablabla ) you failed , cause arguments in starbrat dialog suck - yes syntetic vs. organics, creators vs. created etc, none of it make sense, maybe to super smart ppl which Im not ( even with degree and 100s of books under my pillow ) Now if you wanted a simple logical ending - you failed again.
Now, all that "logic" in the endings wouldn't hurt that much if there wasn't for "post" release - "fans you don't get it arogant c.ap that we got. That was too much IMO. Don't say to your fans that they don't get it". Have balls ( like some awesome directors/writers ) and say : well , maybe that idea wasn't that great after all, let's make it better".
But as I said, it's still 8/10 in my books....

[Blueprotoss]

TK EL wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

Establishing a Reaper leader isnt anything new just like how the Control, Destroy and Synthesis concepts have been in ME since ME1.  You personally don't have to enjoy every work of fiction just like everyone else does.  I'm pretty sure like most people including me you don't like everyhiing that you read, watch, or play.

No sir, very wrong. The original direction of the series had Nothing to do with any of that crap, nothing. All that's happened is that you've chosen to extrapolate based on coincidental elements. There is actual proof, so no fabracating please

I'm pretty sure you aren't part of the writing staff for Bioware and hasn't played ME1  since you said to there is no actual proof.

[Blueprotoss]

SpamBot2000 wrote...

The ending was no noble experiment in storytelling. It was a petulant act of ceremoniously trashing a series that had millions (well, a couple of million) of people identifying with the protagonist over 5 years, unlike.. well, anything seen previously. Perhaps there was an ambition to do something epic for the ending, but this was not it. This was them giving up in a staggeringly mean-spirited way.

The last and greatest betrayal of the last and greatest RPG series.

To be fair "epic" will vary from person to person but no matter epic is a story.  Its okay that people either loved or hated it because everyone has different tastes.

Necrotya wrote...

I loved all 3 parts of ME series and I would still give it 8/10 as it is. 
Now, for the ending - that I hated btw. I don't mind MY Shep dying, I don't mind my squadmates dying either, but star brat? REALLY?
The conversation with little godchild ( original and EC ) was a fist in the face for me. The logic and arguments that these ppl came up with - I really though it was a joke at first. I won't even go in details cause it was analysed over and over in last 6 moths. But lets just say - BW if you wanted a "philosophical" ending ( deep, dark blablabla ) you failed , cause arguments in starbrat dialog suck - yes syntetic vs. organics, creators vs. created etc, none of it make sense, maybe to super smart ppl which Im not ( even with degree and 100s of books under my pillow ) Now if you wanted a simple logical ending - you failed again. 
Now, all that "logic" in the endings wouldn't hurt that much if there wasn't for "post" release - "fans you don't get it arogant c.ap that we got. That was too much IMO. Don't say to your fans that they don't get it". Have balls ( like some awesome directors/writers ) and say : well , maybe that idea wasn't that great after all, let's make it better". 
But as I said, it's still 8/10 in my books....

To be fair the problem that occured was from the "fans" and remaking an ending shows that you have less balls.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 02 novembre 2012 - 12:17 .

[AxStapleton]

Blueprotoss wrote...

To be fair the problem that occured was from the "fans" and remaking an ending shows that you have less balls.

How so? It takes alot of strength to stick by your guns, obviously, but it takes a lot more strength to sometimes admit that you are wrong. We never see politicians do it. That's part of the reason people don't generally like them.

[Necrotya]

To be fair the problem that occured was from the "fans" and remaking an ending shows that you have less balls.

Point taken  - about remake ofc, but the problem didn't occure from the fans, crappy logic in the endings is the problem, fans only poited it out.
So no, I don't expect them to make "new" endings and after all that "fans you simply don't get it" I don't expect them to have balls to say they were wrong ( or too philosofical or what ever they wanna call it - oh...art ofc ) with the endings. 
 

[Blueprotoss]

Arcian wrote...

Being smart is actually to the detriment of one's understanding of the endings, because one is able to spot all the glaring holes in Super MAC's less than stellar writing.

Arcian wrote...

>TK EL uses the specific words "there is actual proof"
>Blueprotoss reads it as "there is no actual proof"
Who else but Blueprotoss?

Igonrance will only create more ignorance.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 02 novembre 2012 - 12:25 .

[TK EL_]

Blueprotoss wrote...

TK EL wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

Establishing a Reaper leader isnt anything new just like how the Control, Destroy and Synthesis concepts have been in ME since ME1.  You personally don't have to enjoy every work of fiction just like everyone else does.  I'm pretty sure like most people including me you don't like everyhiing that you read, watch, or play.

No sir, very wrong. The original direction of the series had Nothing to do with any of that crap, nothing. All that's happened is that you've chosen to extrapolate based on coincidental elements. There is actual proof, so no fabracating please

I'm pretty sure you aren't part of the writing staff for Bioware and hasn't played ME1  since you said to there is no actual proof.

lol I'm not going to go out of my way to prove to you that not only did I play ME1, I turned it inside out. The copy original script has been online for over a year now, so I reiterate, ME1 and ME2 had Nothing to do with any of the crap you wrote. I'm pretty sure arguing against fact is trolling.

[Blueprotoss]

AxStapleton wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

To be fair the problem that occured was from the "fans" and remaking an ending shows that you have less balls.

How so? It takes alot of strength to stick by your guns, obviously, but it takes a lot more strength to sometimes admit that you are wrong. We never see politicians do it. That's part of the reason people don't generally like them.

Hopefully you're not trying to say that every creator including Bioware should recieve blind hatred when someone does like something.

Necrotya wrote...

Point taken  - about remake ofc, but the problem didn't occure from the fans, crappy logic in the endings is the problem, fans only poited it out. 
So no, I don't expect them to make "new" endings and after all that "fans you simply don't get it" I don't expect them to have balls to say they were wrong ( or too philosofical or what ever they wanna call it - oh...art ofc ) with the endings.

No problem but to say that Bioware is in wrong would opening Panadora's Box espcially when it would come down to video games.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 02 novembre 2012 - 12:29 .

[Blueprotoss]

TK EL wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

TK EL wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

Establishing a Reaper leader isnt anything new just like how the Control, Destroy and Synthesis concepts have been in ME since ME1.  You personally don't have to enjoy every work of fiction just like everyone else does.  I'm pretty sure like most people including me you don't like everyhiing that you read, watch, or play.

No sir, very wrong. The original direction of the series had Nothing to do with any of that crap, nothing. All that's happened is that you've chosen to extrapolate based on coincidental elements. There is actual proof, so no fabracating please

I'm pretty sure you aren't part of the writing staff for Bioware and hasn't played ME1  since you said to there is no actual proof.

lol I'm not going to go out of my way to prove to you that not only did I play ME1, I turned it inside out. The copy original script has been online for over a year now, so I reiterate, ME1 and ME2 had Nothing to do with any of the crap you wrote. I'm pretty sure arguing against fact is trolling.

It sounds like you hav overanalyzed ME1 and ME3, which has caused you to not take ME3 seriously.  If ME3 really did contradict the others then the Reapers would be defeated conventionally, a Reaper leader would have been established before ME3, and there would have been no Created vs Creator conflicts before ME3.  Btw "trolling" isn't when someone disagrees with  someone, but a "troll" is someone who mainly insults people and is mostly off-topic.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 02 novembre 2012 - 12:35 .

[Necrotya]

No problem but to say that Bioware is in wrong would opening Panadora's Box espcially when it would come down to video games.

 

[AxStapleton]

Blueprotoss wrote...

AxStapleton wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

To be fair the problem that occured was from the "fans" and remaking an ending shows that you have less balls.

How so? It takes alot of strength to stick by your guns, obviously, but it takes a lot more strength to sometimes admit that you are wrong. We never see politicians do it. That's part of the reason people don't generally like them.

Hopefully you're not trying to say that every creator including Bioware should recieve blind hatred when someone does like something.

Did I say anything about hating? No, I'm just saying that publically admitting you're wrong is one of the toughest things anyone can do even when they personally accept it. The Extended Cut was made, so obviously someone, somewhere high up in Bioware or EA had accepted that something they'd done had gone wrong. But they never really publically admitted it that they'd done wrong.

[Blueprotoss]

Arcian wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

Arcian wrote...

Being smart is actually to the detriment of one's understanding of the endings, because one is able to spot all the glaring holes in Super MAC's less than stellar writing.

Arcian wrote...

>TK EL uses the specific words "there is actual proof"
>Blueprotoss reads it as "there is no actual proof"
Who else but Blueprotoss?

Igonrance will only create more ignorance.

>"Uh I don't really have anything substantial to say in my defense so I'll just accuse him of being ignorant and then carry on."
Who else but Blueprotoss?

Actions speaks louder then words just like how insulting people for a difference of views is an example of ignorance hence why you're still being ignorant, which means you're creating more ignorance.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 02 novembre 2012 - 12:38 .

[AxStapleton]

Blueprotoss wrote...

Arcian wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

Arcian wrote...

Being smart is actually to the detriment of one's understanding of the endings, because one is able to spot all the glaring holes in Super MAC's less than stellar writing.

Arcian wrote...

>TK EL uses the specific words "there is actual proof"
>Blueprotoss reads it as "there is no actual proof"
Who else but Blueprotoss?

Igonrance will only create more ignorance.

>"Uh I don't really have anything substantial to say in my defense so I'll just accuse him of being ignorant and then carry on."
Who else but Blueprotoss?

Actions speaks louder then words just like how insulting people for a difference of views is an example of ignorance hence why you're still being ignorant, which means you're creating more ignorance.

Interesting to use that quote in a forum where all we can see and use, are words.

[FeralEwok]

Blueprotoss wrote...

Arcian wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

Arcian wrote...

Being smart is actually to the detriment of one's understanding of the endings, because one is able to spot all the glaring holes in Super MAC's less than stellar writing.

Arcian wrote...

>TK EL uses the specific words "there is actual proof"
>Blueprotoss reads it as "there is no actual proof"
Who else but Blueprotoss?

Igonrance will only create more ignorance.

>"Uh I don't really have anything substantial to say in my defense so I'll just accuse him of being ignorant and then carry on."
Who else but Blueprotoss?

Actions speaks louder then words just like how insulting people for a difference of views is an example of ignorance hence why you're still being ignorant, which means you're creating more ignorance.

They are all ignorant! 

[dorktainian]

Gaming Shogun review from march this year. (quote)

''Mass Effect 3 is 40 hours of incredible story, ending with 10 minutes that invalidates the entire experience and will anger you. A lot.

The disappointing part of Mass Effect 3 is that you spend so much time planning out your dialog options, squad choices, etc that all of it ends up being practically meaningless. After about 40 hours of intense and exciting gameplay, no matter what you do, you end up with 3 possible endings. Endings which re-use the same cut-scenes (minus a few details in each iteration) and leave you feeling used and abused in a not-so-nice way. BioWare and Electronic Arts touted this game series as being all about player choice and character interaction. The last ten minutes of Mass Effect 3 completely ruins not only all of your choices in this game, but also your choices in the previous two games. This is a huge bait-and-switch on the part of BioWare and left me wondering what happened in the dev cycle to cause this.

So in order to stop synthetics from killing organics, you create synthetics to kill organics?!?

Anyhow, thanks for reading my review/rant on this game which, if you shut the computer off right when Shepard makes it to the Beam, is pretty damned good. Just don’t play past that point and pretend that what you are doing matters in the game’s storyline. Make up your own ending – it will be light-years better than what BioWare cooked up for the last ten minutes of the game.''

[Blueprotoss]

AxStapleton wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

AxStapleton wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

To be fair the problem that occured was from the "fans" and remaking an ending shows that you have less balls.

How so? It takes alot of strength to stick by your guns, obviously, but it takes a lot more strength to sometimes admit that you are wrong. We never see politicians do it. That's part of the reason people don't generally like them.

Hopefully you're not trying to say that every creator including Bioware should recieve blind hatred when someone does like something.

Did I say anything about hating? No, I'm just saying that publically admitting you're wrong is one of the toughest things anyone can do even when they personally accept it. The Extended Cut was made, so obviously someone, somewhere high up in Bioware or EA had accepted that something they'd done had gone wrong. But they never really publically admitted it that they'd done wrong.

Never said you had hatred but it seems like you want a creator to open Pandora's Box or that "can of worms".  Btw ME3 didn't contradict ME1/ME2 and Bioware still owns ME, which means they still wouldn't be in the wrong.   Its okay to have an opinion but to say differently is a whole different ball game.

[Blueprotoss]

AxStapleton wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

Actions speaks louder then words just like how insulting people for a difference of views is an example of ignorance hence why you're still being ignorant, which means you're creating more ignorance.

Interesting to use that quote in a forum where all we can see and use, are words.

How is that when some people do post videos and pictures?

[AxStapleton]

Blueprotoss wrote...

AxStapleton wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

AxStapleton wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

To be fair the problem that occured was from the "fans" and remaking an ending shows that you have less balls.

How so? It takes alot of strength to stick by your guns, obviously, but it takes a lot more strength to sometimes admit that you are wrong. We never see politicians do it. That's part of the reason people don't generally like them.

Hopefully you're not trying to say that every creator including Bioware should recieve blind hatred when someone does like something.

Did I say anything about hating? No, I'm just saying that publically admitting you're wrong is one of the toughest things anyone can do even when they personally accept it. The Extended Cut was made, so obviously someone, somewhere high up in Bioware or EA had accepted that something they'd done had gone wrong. But they never really publically admitted it that they'd done wrong.

Never said you had hatred but it seems like you want a creator to open Pandora's Box or that "can of worms".  Btw ME3 didn't contradict ME1/ME2 and Bioware still owns ME, which means they still wouldn't be in the wrong.   Its okay to have an opinion but to say differently is a whole different ball game.

Admitting that you've done wrong isn't a bad thing.

The Extended Cut being made (and pushing all other DLC back) really wasn't a case of Bioware patting themselves on the back for a job well done, believe me.  Plus, I didn't make any points on whether 'this contradicted that'.  I'm just stating the Extended Cut was made as remedy to the situation that the original ending made (there wouldn't have been nearly as much outcry if the Extended cut had been the original ending). It is a passive statement that they'd at least done some things wrong with the ending.

[nstar]

I'm a newcomer to the Mass Effect series. I started playing ME1 a few weeks ago, completed it, loved it, immediately started playing ME2, completed it, bought the LotSB DLC, completed it and then bought ME3 which I "completed" a few days ago (save for the paid DLC). I had downloaded the Extended Cut on the advice of a friend and having now read the differences between the two I am glad I did.

I am in the camp that didn't like the ending.

It isn't because the ending is bleak. I think the majority of the games I have completed in the last few years have had bleak endings to one degree or another. I won't name those games so as not to give away spoilers but many games seem to have endings which involve the death of close characters, the player character or other negative consequences - some based on choice, some not. However, in all these cases (save for one but that ending is based on the player character's actions and can be avoided) there is still a sense of accomplishment, that it was worth it. The agony of losing something or someone offset to some extent by a mostly desirable outcome.

Not so for ME3. The options given to me by the arrogant little jerk who I see has been referred to as Starbrat are in no way desirable. All the options presented result in Shepard's demise (aside from the brief scene of Shepard breathing, which is no great indicator either way), a sacrifice that is only acceptable if there is an inherent nobility in that sacrifice but there is no nobility in this sacrifice.

The destroy options wipes out the Geth, EDI and numerous other synthetics. EDI had developed as a character throughout ME3 and to some extent ME2. She had shown herself capable of learning, of thinking for herself. She was a living thing. Similarly, the Geth had shown that they were capable of independent thought and possessed qualities more commonly associated with organics. After all the work I engaged in to end the Quarian/Geth war, to understand that the Geth were not wholly to blame for this and to try and mend fences, is genocide and mass murder acceptable to end a war? Not to me.

Control option turns me into the Illusive Man, an individual I have never trusted even when I was working for him. An individual that I've spent a large part of ME3 trying to stop. Furthermore, it turns me into a galactic dictator. Sure, I could be a benevolent dictator but the problem is that virtually all dictators are benevolent in their own mind. Very few who commit "evil" acts believe that they are committing evil acts. They think, however misguided, that they are committing acts for the greater good. Shepard, just like Starchild, has no right to inflict their will upon others.

And synthesis would simply turn me into history's greatest monster. It is barbaric to insist upon a galaxy-wide alteration to people's lives without consent and Shepard certainly did not have the authority to do that.

So there is no nobility in Shepard's sacrifice. Furthermore, it seems that nothing I have done during the series has ultimately mattered all because some AI brat has appointed itself as god of the galaxy. I've already experienced the sense of loss and the difficult decisions - when I chose who to leave on Virmire, when Mordin died, when Thane died etc. and now I'm being asked to sacrifice who I made my character into - her very sense of right and wrong is being sacrificed and in essence her very self and there is nothing that I can do because of an enemy which I cannot fight or even attempt to reason with. As he stands there, spouting his nonsense which I have started to prove a fallacy by not only ending the Quarian/Geth war but helping to get them working together again, I am left with no comeback, no retort, no way of even making him see how ridiculous he is. Perhaps there would be no reasoning with him which given his exceptional arrogance is entirely plausible, but the fact is there was no way for me to even try and this is majorly lacking and a serious departure from the Shepard character I knew.

And because of this there is no "ending" for me. There is nothing leaving me fulfilled by the outcomes of ME3. I just feel empty and after the experiences I had with the ME series that ran the gamut of emotions, to end this way feels hollow and a betrayal of the investment in Shepard.

After feeling like I was progressing throughout the series, for the final ten minutes to tell me there was nothing I could do but bow down to Starkid and make a barbaric decision, I could never be happy.

And yes, I will admit that I wish there was a way to save Shepard, properly, without barbaric choices, and for her to live happily ever after with Liara and their little blue children but it was never a possibility; I just wasn't told this until the very end.

[GreyLycanTrope]

Blueprotoss wrote...

Never said you had hatred but it seems like you want a creator to open Pandora's Box or that "can of worms".  Btw ME3 didn't contradict ME1/ME2 and Bioware still owns ME, which means they still wouldn't be in the wrong.   Its okay to have an opinion but to say differently is a whole different ball game.

"It's made by the same company so therefore can't be contradictory."

[spirosz]

Just ignore Blue, when asked to provide some actual evidence, he'll ignore you or state that you're insulting him.