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[Blueprotoss]

AresKeith wrote...

iakus wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

To be fair we don't know if that would have been fine based on how hindsight is 20/20 and it was obvious that some people would have been mad no matter what happened because of the previous rage in the previous ME games.

The reference totally went over your head, didn't it?

Everything does

I don't care for the reference and its not surprising that your comment is hypocritical.

[Argolas]

iakus wrote...

If there is no canon, then what does it hurt if there's an alternate ending available fro an optional download?

Does The Darkspawn Chronicles invalidate DAO's endings?

No it does not, but it's clearly stated the these events are non-canon.

[Blueprotoss]

silverexile17s wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

me people would have been mad no matter what happened because of the previous rage in the previous ME games.

NONE of the reactions were as big, or as NEGITIVE, as these were.

So the Mako small uproar never happened in ME1, ME2, and ME3.  I'm also sure that the small uproars with the inventory system in ME1 and the removal of most of the RPG elements along with adding more streamlined action in ME2 werent problems.  Btw this comment is filled with sarcasm if you didn't notice.

silverexile17s wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Everything does

That seems to be a given with Blueprotoss:D

I see that you're still resorting to insults for no reason even when you're insulting yourself more then me.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 31 octobre 2012 - 07:06 .

[Iakus]

Argolas wrote...

iakus wrote...

If there is no canon, then what does it hurt if there's an alternate ending available fro an optional download?

Does The Darkspawn Chronicles invalidate DAO's endings?

No it does not, but it's clearly stated the these events are non-canon.

And no Mass Effect ending is canon at all.  We've been told that several times.

So what's the problem with alternate endings?

[AresKeith]

Its funny to see Blueprotoss call everything an insult

[Blueprotoss]

silverexile17s wrote..

NONE of the reactions were as big, or as NEGITIVE, as these were.

So the small uproars never "happened" with the Mako in ME1, ME2, and/or ME3.  So there were no small uproars that "happened" with the inventory system in ME1 and/or the removal on most of the RPG elements with the addition of more streamlined action in ME2.  If you didn't notice the sarcasm then you clearly don't know what you're talking about.

silverexile17s wrote...

1. Thats' been YOUR attatude throughout this at the FANS. I swear, your on a payrole.
You can't just DENY how many people didn't like the game endings. Even CRITICS, LICENCED CRITICS, disagreed with the ending. Check PC Gamer.

There's a hug difference between "fans" and fans especially when most fans don't overreact like in most franchises while most "fans" will just complain because they feel like it.  Its pretty ironic when some BSN users will bash critics then support them, which sounds like an endless cycle of complaints directed at opinion.  Btw you do know that most critics did support the ME3 endings and PC Gamer isn't the pinnacle of PC gamers.  Its ironic that you kind of want to start a PC vs Console thing.

silverexile17s wrote...

2. You keep bringing up that Mako. That was fixed in ME2, making the missions less dependant on Vehicle levels, with just a FEW put in for variation through DLC. I would not be suprised if the upcomming "Omega" DLC re-introduces the vheacle levels. A true fan is willing to point out what is wrong. A PAYROLL fan is willing to igonre all faults, and stand by the company like it's a godsend.

How is that "fixed" when some people are still upset about the Mako being removed in ME2 and ME3.  Why would Omega introduce vehicles when the station isn't big enough inside to have vehicle combat and Ayou don't need a vehicle to fight Atlas.  Its petty that you use "payroll fan" because actual fans don't put a dollar amount on what they truely enjoy.

[Blueprotoss]

AresKeith wrote...

Its funny to see Blueprotoss call everything an insult

Everything isn't an insult but most of the negativity that comes from BSN including you are insults.

[Blueprotoss]

iakus wrote...

Argolas wrote...

iakus wrote...

If there is no canon, then what does it hurt if there's an alternate ending available fro an optional download?

Does The Darkspawn Chronicles invalidate DAO's endings?

No it does not, but it's clearly stated the these events are non-canon.

And no Mass Effect ending is canon at all.  We've been told that several times.

So what's the problem with alternate endings?

To be fair some of the "parts" in the previous parts of the endings in ME1 and ME2 are cannon while we''ll find out whats cannon in the ME3 endings at a later date.

[silverexile17s]

Blueprotoss wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

iakus wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

To be fair we don't know if that would have been fine based on how hindsight is 20/20 and it was obvious that some people would have been mad no matter what happened because of the previous rage in the previous ME games.

The reference totally went over your head, didn't it?

Everything does

I don't care for the reference and its not surprising that your comment is hypocritical.

Then how does your arguement have merit if you don't care, or acknolodge the reference? THAT'S hypocritical.

[silverexile17s]

Blueprotoss wrote...

silverexile17s wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

me people would have been mad no matter what happened because of the previous rage in the previous ME games.

NONE of the reactions were as big, or as NEGITIVE, as these were.

So the Mako small uproar never happened in ME1, ME2, and ME3.  I'm also sure that the small uproars with the inventory system in ME1 and the removal of most of the RPG elements along with adding more streamlined action in ME2 werent problems.  Btw this comment is filled with sarcasm if you didn't notice.

silverexile17s wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Everything does

That seems to be a given with Blueprotoss:D

I see that you're still resorting to insults for no reason even when you're insulting yourself more then me.

1. Did I say that? No. I never said it never happened. I said that the Mako thing was a complaint. The ME3 ending responce was an uproar. I'm sure that had the inventory system been revamped in ME3, that would have been just TERRIBLE. It would have been the END of EA!!
THAT is scarcasm.

2. You are the one insulting yourself. You contridict every statment you make, saying fact is on your side when you discredit every modern sorce of factual information, from Dictionaries to wikis. You claimed that the information in Dictionaries is just subjective. When you say things like that, of COURSE no one is going to treat anything you say with real merit.
You insult everyone by saying that every word besides your own is nothing more then their personal, fan-invented opinion, accusing them of using strawmen, red herrings, and in some cases, outright lies. You NEVER answer any of these questions when they are directed to you, instead deflecting them with reverse logic, or assaulting and debating the logic behind the opposing question. You NEVER straight-up answer any question asked to you. Doing all this, condesending everyone while accusing them of being condesending, is insulting in itself.
You even went as far as to say that no one cares if someone in the ME squads dies, because of it being your choice, when not caring about the characters runs counter to one of the very core reasons that people play the game: For the SAKE of those character attachments. Saying that is insulting to the game itself.

Modifié par silverexile17s, 01 novembre 2012 - 05:02 .

[Jadebaby]

plz sum1 make me a mod for ME3! PLEASE! I'll be hella grateful for it

[Seival]

OP, players purchased devs' work, not a mandate to override something in the game. None of us has the right to demand something from devs. If you don't like the ending, write a fan-fiction or make a mod. Whining will not help, and only annoy people.

Modifié par Seival, 31 octobre 2012 - 07:42 .

[Iakus]

[quote]Blueprotoss wrote...

And no Mass Effect ending is canon at all.  We've been told that several times.

So what's the problem with alternate endings?[/quote]To be fair some of the "parts" in the previous parts of the endings in ME1 and ME2 are cannon while we''ll find out whats cannon in the ME3 endings at a later date.
[/quote]

If it's equally "non-canon" that Shepard lives or dies, the krogan live or die, the quarians, geth, or both live or die.  The galaxy can be synthesized, policed by space cthulhu, synthetic-free, or slowly dying in a Crucible-induced dark age.  Earth can be okay, damaged, or a charred cinder.

What does adding a rescue, validating IT, or other small noncanon changes in an optional, even less canon ending, do compared to that?

[N7Gold]

The cycle seems to be unbreakable because everything we do favors the individuals who created the cycle.

[TheSixthghoul]

Will someone take the godsbane from Shepard and end this?

[Blueprotoss]

silverexile17s wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

I don't care for the reference and its not surprising that your comment is hypocritical.

Then how does your arguement have merit if you don't care, or acknolodge the reference? THAT'S hypocritical.

Clearly you're not interested in the topic.

silverexile17s wrote...

1. Did I say that? No. I never said it never happened. I said that the Mako thing was a complaint. The ME3 ending responce was an uproar. I'm sure that had the inventory system been revamped in ME3, that would have been just TERRIBLE. It would have been the END of EA!!
THAT is scarcasm.

Yet you previously said that no small uproars appeared in the ME series before ME3, which means the trouble with the Mako alone proves you wrong.

silverexile17s wrote...

2. You are the one insulting yourself. You contridict every statment you make, saying fact is on your side when you discredit every modern sorce of factual information, from Dictionaries to wikis. You claimed that the information inDictionaries is just subjective. When you say things like that, of COURSE no one is going to treat anything you say with real merit.

How am I insulting myself when I'm just letting you're credability disappear with the insults that you keep on throwing out for no real reason.

silverexile17s wrote...

You insult everyone by saying that every word besides your own is nothing more then their personal, fan-invented opinion, accusing them of using strawmen, red herrings, and in some cases, outright lies. You NEVER answer any of these questions when they are directed to you, instead deflecting them with reverse logic, or assaulting and debating the logic behind the opposing question. You NEVER straight-up answer any question asked to you. Doing all this, condesending everyone while accusing them bo being condesending, is insulting in itself.
You even went as far as to say that no one cares if someone in the ME squads dies, because of it being your choice, when not caring about the characters runs counter to one of the very core reasons that people play the game: For the SAKE of those character attachments. Saying that is insulting to the game itself.

Its odd that you're still not interested in the facts unless if the facts agree with your opinion, which that hasn't appeared yet.  Btw if someone is being "condescending" then it would be you based on how you're the one thats insulting people here.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 31 octobre 2012 - 08:05 .

[Torrential]

The universe generates itself through conflict, this has been interesting to read .

To the actual point at the start of the thread. People can achieve amazing things when they just knuckle down and get on with it. I haven't seen mods on this scale achieved for the previous ME games and they have been out some time, though there have been mods. Any engine can be modded eventually imho, but by then will we have a sandbox space RPG with a construction kit?

Lets hope so

-edit

It was only a couple of years ago I stopped glancing at BG2 mods for instance, not that I played them much but they were entertaining from time to time.

Modifié par Torrential, 31 octobre 2012 - 08:02 .

[silverexile17s]

Blueprotoss wrote...

silverexile17s wrote..

NONE of the reactions were as big, or as NEGITIVE, as these were.

So the small uproars never "happened" with the Mako in ME1, ME2, and/or ME3.  So there were no small uproars that "happened" with the inventory system in ME1 and/or the removal on most of the RPG elements with the addition of more streamlined action in ME2.  If you didn't notice the sarcasm then you clearly don't know what you're talking about.

silverexile17s wrote...

1. Thats' been YOUR attatude throughout this at the FANS. I swear, your on a payrole.
You can't just DENY how many people didn't like the game endings. Even CRITICS, LICENCED CRITICS, disagreed with the ending. Check PC Gamer.

There's a hug difference between "fans" and fans especially when most fans don't overreact like in most franchises while most "fans" will just complain because they feel like it.  Its pretty ironic when some BSN users will bash critics then support them, which sounds like an endless cycle of complaints directed at opinion.  Btw you do know that most critics did support the ME3 endings and PC Gamer isn't the pinnacle of PC gamers.  Its ironic that you kind of want to start a PC vs Console thing.

silverexile17s wrote...

2. You keep bringing up that Mako. That was fixed in ME2, making the missions less dependant on Vehicle levels, with just a FEW put in for variation through DLC. I would not be suprised if the upcomming "Omega" DLC re-introduces the vheacle levels. A true fan is willing to point out what is wrong. A PAYROLL fan is willing to igonre all faults, and stand by the company like it's a godsend.

How is that "fixed" when some people are still upset about the Mako being removed in ME2 and ME3.  Why would Omega introduce vehicles when the station isn't big enough inside to have vehicle combat and Ayou don't need a vehicle to fight Atlas.  Its petty that you use "payroll fan" because actual fans don't put a dollar amount on what they truely enjoy.

1.  Like I said already, I never denied them. I denied the comparison. Saying the ME3 ending blowup was no more of an uproar then the ME Mako complaint is like compairing the Big Ben to a cuckoo-clock.
What I said was that the complaints about the Mako in ME1, or the inventory system in ME2, were nowhere NEAR as big as the uproar over ME3's endings. I NEVER said they didn't exist.

2. First off, it was a reference. I didn't bring any PC vs Console debate into this. Besides, there is no difference between the consoles/platorms on what ending you get.
Would you please stay on topic for one post?
Second, you can't just give people a great game, then give them a Deus Ex ending to it, and NOT expect them to be pissed off about it. Any TRUE fan want's to see the game they care about done justice. LOOK at the responce.
The fact that SO many people got SO passionate about a game that has only had five-six years of life SO quickly is amazing. Not since Star Wars have I seen such a fan base get so engrosed in a sci-fi fantasy gams series. The only other one that matches up is Halo. Halo is the die-hard FPS for sci-fi. And Mass Effect became the Die-hard for RPG's.
The fact that there WAS a responce this big, and THIS passionate, more then disproves your claim. They CARED about this game and how it ended. If you were RIGHT, there would NOT have been any responce at all. Just a murmer of discontent. Only Fans who truly loved this series would get SO up in arms over the conclusion.

3. That's just a complaint. True, there will be some bad feelings, but having the Hammerhead in ME2 smoothed that out. The complaint in ME was that the levels were TOO dependent on vehacle sections. The ME2 DLC's streamlined that. Picking those spicific points that your using.... I'm sorry, but...
Well, it's what is commenly refered to as a strawman.:innocent:
And the comment on Omega? It was ment as an example, as, since the DLC is advertised as twice as large as Leviathan, it may NOT imedeatly be on Omega. Besides, the Station IS large enough for sections that could include Vehacle missions. The Mission to Ilos in ME1 was pretty much a corridor for the Mako. THAT seems to match Omega as well. Besides, Cerberus has had time to dig in since Mass Effect: Invasion. I wouldn't be surprised if there were anti-vehicle turrets on every block. I mean, where do you think Cerberus got that Giant army of theirs so quickly?
They've most likely been "recruting" from Omega's captive human popultion. Something that is most likely the SOURCE of Cerberus' army is going to be heavaly defended. That's seems a good point to put in  a vehicle level.
And don't talk about being petty. That's all you have done to everyone here.

And you didn't give me a direct answer to that question.

Modifié par silverexile17s, 02 novembre 2012 - 07:18 .

[Blueprotoss]

iakus wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

To be fair some of the "parts" in the previous parts of the endings in ME1 and ME2 are cannon while we''ll find out whats cannon in the ME3 endings at a later date.

If it's equally "non-canon" that Shepard lives or dies, the krogan live or die, the quarians, geth, or both live or die.  The galaxy can be synthesized, policed by space cthulhu, synthetic-free, or slowly dying in a Crucible-induced dark age.  Earth can be okay, damaged, or a charred cinder.

What does adding a rescue, validating IT, or other small noncanon changes in an optional, even less canon ending, do compared to that?

If you want more canon to appear more in ME3 then you'll see more Liara then any other LI.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 31 octobre 2012 - 08:07 .

[silverexile17s]

Blueprotoss wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Its funny to see Blueprotoss call everything an insult

Everything isn't an insult but most of the negativity that comes from BSN including you are insults.

How does "Everything isn't an insult" work if "most of the negativity that comes from BSN" are insults?
Do you even think through what you say before you type?

[Torrential]

More Liara wouldn't be a bad thing at all shadow broker was an excellent DLC. Granted I want more of the other ME2 squadmates but any of them add to the game at this point for me.

[silverexile17s]

Blueprotoss wrote...

iakus wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

To be fair some of the "parts" in the previous parts of the endings in ME1 and ME2 are cannon while we''ll find out whats cannon in the ME3 endings at a later date.

If it's equally "non-canon" that Shepard lives or dies, the krogan live or die, the quarians, geth, or both live or die.  The galaxy can be synthesized, policed by space cthulhu, synthetic-free, or slowly dying in a Crucible-induced dark age.  Earth can be okay, damaged, or a charred cinder.

What does adding a rescue, validating IT, or other small noncanon changes in an optional, even less canon ending, do compared to that?

If you want more canon to appear more in ME3 then you'll see more Liara then any other LI.

1. HOW was that when EVERYTHING could be changed based on import?

2. If parts of THESE endings are cannonized, it's like juggling live grenades while tap tancing on an anti-tank mine in front of a live firing squad.
The backlash from THAT  will KILL the series DOA and finish what the Deus Ex endings started.

[MAF1994]

Seriously, OP, I support this idea, but i think that Kotor had a sort of Editor for this thing or a mod-tool. Bioware has not released anything like this for ME 3 and i think they wont' make it in the future. They believe so much in their work and they wouldn't accept this kind of things. From their POV i cant' blame for this...

[silverexile17s]

Blueprotoss wrote...

iakus wrote...

Argolas wrote...

iakus wrote...

If there is no canon, then what does it hurt if there's an alternate ending available fro an optional download?

Does The Darkspawn Chronicles invalidate DAO's endings?

No it does not, but it's clearly stated the these events are non-canon.

And no Mass Effect ending is canon at all.  We've been told that several times.

So what's the problem with alternate endings?

To be fair some of the "parts" in the previous parts of the endings in ME1 and ME2 are cannon while we''ll find out whats cannon in the ME3 endings at a later date.

Are you HOPING the series gets KILLED?!
Cannonizing ANY part of that mess will be the damned DEATH BLOW. The series will be DOA if that happens.
They have told us that the only cannon endings are the one you CHOOSE to acknolodge as the endings. They HAVE NOT cannonized ANY aspect from the other two games. I ASSUME you are talking about the seemingly Renagade pre-set that those playing without import are forced to use. That's just ment to be incentive to get the other two games.  It's nothing more then the pre-set. JUST that. And they FIXED that with the Mass Effect: Genesis comic add-on. They will probably do the same for ME3.

[Blueprotoss]

silverexile17s wrote...

1.  Like I said already, I never denied them. I denied the comparison. Saying the ME3 ending blowup was no more of an uproar then the ME Mako complaint is like compairing the Big Ben to a cuckoo-clock.
What I said was that the complaints about the Mako in ME1, or the inventory system in ME2, were nowhere NEAR as big as the uproar over ME3's endings. I NEVER said they didn't exist.

If you never denied them why did you deny them previously in this topic.

silverexile17s wrote...

2. First off, it was a reference. I didn't bring any PC vs Console debate into this. Would you please stay on topic for one post?
Second, you can't just give people a great game, then give them a Deus Ex ending to it, and NOT expect them to be pissed off about it. Any TRUE fan want's to see the game they care about done justice. LOOK at the responce.
The fact that SO many people got SO passionate about a game that has only had five-six years of life SO quickly is amazing. Not since Star Wars have I seen such a fan base get so engrosed in a sci-fi fantasy gams series. The only other one that matches up is Halo. Halo is the die-hard FPS for sci-fi. And Mass Effect became the Die-hard for RPG's.

I see the hypocrisy here especially when DE didn't create those "endings" while I see that you'll nippick anything that you don't like.

silverexile17s wrote...

The fact that there WAS a responce this big, and THIS passionate, more then disproves your claim. They CARED about this game and how it ended. If you were RIGHT, there would NOT have been any responce at all. Just a murmer of discontent. Only Fans who truly loved this series would get SO up in arms over the conclusion.

I hope you know that game endings have been critcized way before ME3 like what happened in Final Fantasy 7, Half-Life, Deus Ex, Halo 2, Fallout 3, Metal Gear Solid 4, and Rage are a few examples.

silverexile17s wrote...

3. That's just a complaint. True, there will be some bad feelings, but having the Hammerhead in ME2 smoothed that out. The complaint in ME was that the levels were TOO dependent on vehacle sections. The ME2 DLC's streamlined that. Picking those spicific points that your using.... I'm sorry, but...
Well, it's what is commenly refered to as a strawman.:innocent:
And the comment on Omega? It was ment as an example, as, since the DLC is advertised as twice as large as Leviathan, it may NOT imedeatly be on Omega. Besides, the Station IS large enough for sections that could include Vehacle missions. The Mission to Ilos in ME1 was pretty much a corridor for the Mako. THAT seems to match Omega as well. Besides, Cerberus has had time to dig in since Mass Effect: Invasion. I wouldn't be surprised if there were anti-vehicle turrets on every block. I mean, where do you think Cerberus got that Giant army of theirs so quickly?

The streamlining of ME2 happened with the gameplay not the DLC.  Its ironic that you're saying that I'm using a strawman even when I'm not because small uproars aren't anything new in video games and ME has seen them since ME1 was launched.

silverexile17s wrote...

They've most likely been "recruting" from Omega's captive human popultion. Something that is most likely the SOURCE of Cerberus' army is going to be heavaly defended. That's seems a good point to put in  a vehicle level.
And don't talk about being petty. That's all you have done to everyone here.

To allow vehicle combat in Omega then you would have to redesign Omega .

silverexile17s wrote...

And you didn't give me a direct answer to that question.

Yet it was answered.