How isn't that the perfect example because some people are still mad that the Mako was removed in ME2/ME2 or the inclusion of the Hammerhead in ME2 as DLC. Opinion is opinion and fact is fact while strawman are opinion not fact.ShepnTali wrote...
No, the mako is still not a 'perfect example'. Try again without your hammerhead strawman protos.
Modifié par Blueprotoss, 02 novembre 2012 - 10:41 .
Nightwriter wrote...
I don't get it. Are you saying there is unused content on the disc that will restore the game to full epicness the way it did for KotOR II?
To be fair we don't shape the outcome because we don't have overall control over the framework thats put in front of us. Either way there's still a lot of canon that gets established in the ME series.iakus wrote...
Just the opposite. Canon means that set events happened regardless of our decisions. Udina always becomes the Human Councilor. The Alpha Relay is always destroyed. "No canon" means our choices do matter. We shaped the outcome.
If an ending became canon then our choices really wouldn't matter. If High EMS Destroy is canon, then Shepard never takes control of the Reapers. Earth is never destroyed, and the Reapers never become allies. Our chcoies will not have mattered.
Thats a red herring especially what happened with ME1 and ME2.iakus wrote...
You realize that a lot of people are afraid that's exactly what's going to end up happening? And if/when it does, even you will admit the poopstorm will be major.
Actually it would be better if nothing was added to it because it would be another farce thats used to say that "choice doesn't matter".iakus wrote...
Depends on how elaborate we want to get. Attaching a few seconds to the breath scene or a line of dialogue into a scene probably wouldn't be a big deal. What I'm talking about is simply a few audio/visual queues to validate a particular aspect of an ending.
If ME wasn't designed around the endings for ME3 then the concepts of Control, Destroy, and Synthesis wouldn't be grounded in ME1. Also a Reaper leader would have been established at the end of ME1 or at the beginning of ME2. Don't forget that sci-fi wasn't created around DE.silverexile17s wrote...
It's BECAUSE of that the ending didn't sit well with anyone. Making something like that, only to throw away the entire concept for a Deus Ex in the last ten minutes?Blueprotoss wrote...
If nothing was set in stone then nobody could use the "choice didn't matter" defence.silverexile17s wrote...
It's called PRE-SETS. And these CHANGE based on how many games you played and how you play them. The ONLY established cannon is: Saren attacked the Citadel, and the Collectors were beaten. NOTHING ELSE IS SET IN STONE.Blueprotoss wrote...
If there was no established canon throughout the ME series then half of ME3 wouldn't coinside with neither ME1 nor ME2, which you can say vice versa with ME1 and ME2. Asking for DLC like that is like expecting world peace to happen in this generation because it would be a nightmare before and after the 65,000+ plotlines in ME3 with import saves excluding DLC.
Of COURSE it was going to be bad.
You do know hat assuming makes you into right?silverexile17s wrote...
1.I have seen NO ONE agree with you. You have bickered with them every step of the way.
2. There IS no default LI. It assumes you don't HAVE one, if it's a blank import.
3. It ISN'T. It's only ANNOUNCED that it's PLANNED. It's not in pre-production yet. They have DA3, More content for Star Wars: TOR, and DLC for ME3. They can't yet work on it. Just early planning stage at this point.
How is that when I'm not blaming or insulting someone based on opinion or assumption.silverexile17s wrote...
1. Go back and look at those posts. YOU are the one who is making accusations and mirroring the blame back at others. You should know this process.
It's called a "Red Herring." Remember?
It seems like you haven't followed Star Wars since you can Destroy, Conrol, Coexist, or Refuse in one form in most of the PC based games.silverexile17s wrote...
2. Deus Ex: Human Revolution has similar trates in the endings.
Darrow's rejection of augmentation mirrors the Destroy the hub ending in Deus Ex, and the Destroy option in ME3.
Taggert's control option mirrors the Control the Illumanati option in Deus Ex, and the Control option in ME3.
Sarif's merging of man and machine into new life mirrors the Merge with Helios option in Deus Ex, and the Synthesis option in ME3.
AND, Deus Ex: Human Revoultion had the option to refuse all the others and trust the next generation. And what is there in the ME3 EC?
An Option to refuse the others and let the next generation decide.
Old or New, originator or not, these endings are now squarely a trademark of the Deus Ex franchise.
I do't need to mention Brotherhood of Steel especially when I mentioned Fallout 3 having a small uproar.silverexile17s wrote...
3... You NEVER mentioned Brotherhood of Steel. Just Fallout. Unless you misread the post that mentioned Fallout 3's ending DLC "BROKEN STEEL." As for Rage, the entire game felt like you had no clue what was truly going on. Yes, the ending was an unexpected cliffhanger, to say the least, but NOTHING really fell into place for that game.
And I meant that YOUR use of that game list was the strawman.
I was saying that had *I* had the "gall" (scarcasm) to use a list like that in that exact mannor as you did, you would say it's a strawman.
How are those strawmen when L4D2 wasn't boycotted by a small group of fans and Advent Rising was engulfed in flames.silverexile17s wrote...
4...I think THOSE are considered strawmen too.
Left 4 dead 2 was near insualting to release a game that quickly following the first one. Some damn heads up one "We'll still support the first game" would have been nice.
And "Advent Rising" did quite well. So it was a surprise that the game didn't get a sequel after a planned series was announced. But then, that just means that planned games fall through, don't they? (Hint: ME4)
Now, to keep ON SUBJECT, the vid showing ME fans protesting for a Mako patch? You have it?
No?
ME3's ending uproar is the biggest fan contraversy in a long time. There have been others. But this is one of the ones that succeded in getting a bit of actual CLOSURE. We STILL don't have a truly good, fitting ending, but at least what we have makes a bit of actual SENSE now.
Yet you're assuming again.silverexile17s wrote...
5. Those are just PARTS of larger districts. Barely TEN percent of Omega. There are several districts, and we saw fractions of just three. There are loading docks, and mining shafts where Eezo is/was mined out. The station is 44.7 KM. That's BIG. And with mining shafts and elevators, and tramways to transport these goods and Eezo, Omega is quite large.
Deflection doesn't approve or disprove what is or isn't canon.silverexile17s wrote...
1. Those are background things. Haven't you noticed that NOTHING, including gender, is ever gone into depth. Near ALL the lore we've seen has been pre-ME1, or has keept it as general as possible, NEVER naming names or dates. The ONLY things that are true cannon are: Shepard stopped Saren at the Citadel, and Shepard brought down the Collector Base. NOTHING else is EVER confirmed or denied regarding Shepard. ANY and ALL pieces of the lore are done on the squad-mates, and nothing Spicific is EVER stated. The EU of Mass Effect works AROUND the cannon, so as not to infulence the game for people.
I'm not assuming anything especially when Bioware usually don't do prequelssilverexile17s wrote...
2. You ASSUME that ME4 is indeed "ME4," and not a spin-off like ME: Infiltrator was, or a prequel. Also, I remember that scene with the Stargazer saying "The details are lost to time, It happened so long ago."
Meaning that it would probably be far into the future, where hardly ANYTHING is remembered in detail, leaving the fate of Shepard ambiguous. They learned the HARD way what happens when you cannonize a character too much, like (example) with Revan from KotOR.
Why would they start from scratch even when a small uproar of "fans" being angry isn't anything new with video game in general.silverexile17s wrote...
3. Their doing Omega, aren't they? and Look at Leviathen? I don't think there is going to be a game to IMPORT to from here, as they will try to start fresh, after the sour note the trilogy ended on. And if they're doing more DLC anyway, which is confirmed, Why not do this?
If I didn't care for the topic then I wouldn't be here. Btw that red herring isn't going to work.silverexile17s wrote...
1.YOU are the one who just said you didn't care for the refernce, therfore implying you do not care about the topic.
Yet you acted as if they didn't exist even when the inventory system in ME1 and the Mako in general has caused more "issues" then ME3 as a whole.silverexile17s wrote...
2. I never said they did not exist. I said that comparing the ME3 ending fiasco as no more intense then those was like comparing the London clock tower of Big Ben with a bedroom cukoo clock. What I said was that none of these uproars were as IMMENCE as the one over the endings of ME3.
I didn't discredit anything but its ironic when you're the one who's focusing on discrediting people.silverexile17s wrote...
3. How is that when you tried to discredit DICTIONARIES? Calling them a subjective source of information?
Your ADDING to the creditabilaty of EVERYONE you post against. Or did you miss the posts here saying that NO ONE takes stock in what you say? There is a REASON for that, you know. Ask around. See what they think about whose creditabilaty is better.
Its very odd that you're talking about facts when you yourself is focusing on opinion.silverexile17s wrote...
4. Have you ever put up any fact that supports ANY of your claims? YOU have always used strawmen and red herrings while accusing everyone ELSE of doing it. That's called being insulting. And it's all you ever HAVE done on the BSN. Look at the posts. It's not just concidence that everyone seems to DISAGREE with you on about EVERY post you ever put up. And come to think of it, I don't think you EVER put up a stand-alone post. Every one of your posts has been qouting on someone and doing everything to discredit them while tripping over yourself and contridicting your own arguements, until it becomes about nothing other then being the one that rules the sandbox. I mean, haven't you noticed that NO ONE here seems to support your posts? You have your OPINIONS. But what pisses people off is constantly trying to FORCE those opinions on others claiming they are fact, while saying that all modern sources of factual information, from Dictionaries to wikis, are subjective information. If that's true, then WHERE are you getting YOUR "facts." And Don't say Litiature, since Dictionaries count in that catagory. And doing that while constantly accusing THEM that everything they post is nothing more then personal, fan-made opinion is the definition of insulting. It's calling them liers in all but name.
Dryfish said that having a debate with you is near-impossible. Everyone on the BSN seems to dread your arrival on a page. There is a REASON for that. It isn't possible that they ALL are just wrong, or using opinion.
Think about that.
I'm surprised that ME "fans" aren't interested with creating thier own content when dissatisfied like what most angry PC gamers do.Ironhandjustice wrote...
Nightwriter wrote...
I don't get it. Are you saying there is unused content on the disc that will restore the game to full epicness the way it did for KotOR II?
I'm saying that is a possibility.
This, and that if fans want something (AKA: kill starkid or make it have sense, like being uploaded to an interface), they will do even if bioware doesn't want to.
On the other hand, the people from KOTOR II mod, added their own content completing the files.
Same can be done, for example, to get the claimed reunion. Imagine: you reuse and change Kaidan/Ash animation at the hospital and put all the companions staring at Shep. Quite easy to do, and is a reunion scene.
The only difficulty is to reach the code and link this.
Other possibility is change destroy to get a non-killing scene with EDI speaking on destroy ending, and then reunion with high EMS.
Modders will decide, and mod. Even if they have to decrypt the engine. Is a fact.
There are people out there capable of robbing banks through internet.
This is why the fan cycle cannot be broken
Blueprotoss wrote...
I'm surprised that ME "fans" aren't interested with creating thier own content when dissatisfied like what most angry PC gamers do.Ironhandjustice wrote...
Nightwriter wrote...
I don't get it. Are you saying there is unused content on the disc that will restore the game to full epicness the way it did for KotOR II?
I'm saying that is a possibility.
This, and that if fans want something (AKA: kill starkid or make it have sense, like being uploaded to an interface), they will do even if bioware doesn't want to.
On the other hand, the people from KOTOR II mod, added their own content completing the files.
Same can be done, for example, to get the claimed reunion. Imagine: you reuse and change Kaidan/Ash animation at the hospital and put all the companions staring at Shep. Quite easy to do, and is a reunion scene.
The only difficulty is to reach the code and link this.
Other possibility is change destroy to get a non-killing scene with EDI speaking on destroy ending, and then reunion with high EMS.
Modders will decide, and mod. Even if they have to decrypt the engine. Is a fact.
There are people out there capable of robbing banks through internet.
This is why the fan cycle cannot be broken
i wish that more people would be civil like this and you'll be thinking at least into 2013 for a new ending.Ironhandjustice wrote...
I want to do so, but not before the last DLC is released.
And like me, many people. The MEEM guy is on standby, for example, until the last DLC is released. Then, modders will start.
For your information, I'm the biggest english-spanish translator of Fallout3Nexus modding community,
A sage modder knows when start his work.
Cheers
Modifié par Blueprotoss, 02 novembre 2012 - 12:20 .
Blueprotoss wrote...
i wish that more people would be civil like this and you'll be thinking at least into 2013 for a new ending.Ironhandjustice wrote...
I want to do so, but not before the last DLC is released.
And like me, many people. The MEEM guy is on standby, for example, until the last DLC is released. Then, modders will start.
For your information, I'm the biggest english-spanish translator of Fallout3Nexus modding community,
A sage modder knows when start his work.
Cheers
Half-Life is a great example but to be fair they are mainly a PC based company. To me if more people played on the PC then you would hear less issues on certain aspects in games because of mods. Personally I'm more so a console gamer bt I have a lot of fond moments on the PC.Ironhandjustice wrote...
The experience is a good master. I posted this thread because I know the reality of the videogaming industry.
There are people giving support for free for games fogotten 10 years (even 20) ago.
So, will we have to wait? possibly.
This thread is not only oriented to the players (sometimes prayers), but bioware too...
They should know the reality, and this reality is their work will be modified until is exactly that the players want. The difference is, that they can charge it, or not.
By charging is "take credit" or "take money".
One example for this is "Counter strike", a very famous game based on half-life (Valve studios) that started being a mod. Valve recognized it as a hit, and oficialized it with a very remarkable profit
Modifié par Blueprotoss, 02 novembre 2012 - 12:56 .
Blueprotoss wrote...
Half-Life is a great example but to be fair they are mainly a PC based company. To me if more people played on the PC then you would hear less issues on certain aspects in games because of mods. Personally I'm more so a console gamer bt I have a lot of fond moments on the PC.Ironhandjustice wrote...
The experience is a good master. I posted this thread because I know the reality of the videogaming industry.
There are people giving support for free for games fogotten 10 years (even 20) ago.
So, will we have to wait? possibly.
This thread is not only oriented to the players (sometimes prayers), but bioware too...
They should know the reality, and this reality is their work will be modified until is exactly that the players want. The difference is, that they can charge it, or not.
By charging is "take credit" or "take money".
One example for this is "Counter strike", a very famous game based on half-life (Valve studios) that started being a mod. Valve recognized it as a hit, and oficialized it with a very remarkable profit
It was a complaint. One that WAS adressed by the Hammerhead, and a complaint that is practally forgoten at this point.Blueprotoss wrote...
How isn't that the perfect example because some people are still mad that the Mako was removed in ME2/ME2 or the inclusion of the Hammerhead in ME2 as DLC. Opinion is opinion and fact is fact while strawman are opinion not fact.ShepnTali wrote...
No, the mako is still not a 'perfect example'. Try again without your hammerhead strawman protos.
As far as I know, there are very FEW things that are cannon in the game:Blueprotoss wrote...
To be fair we don't shape the outcome because we don't have overall control over the framework thats put in front of us. Either way there's still a lot of canon that gets established in the ME series.iakus wrote...
Just the opposite. Canon means that set events happened regardless of our decisions. Udina always becomes the Human Councilor. The Alpha Relay is always destroyed. "No canon" means our choices do matter. We shaped the outcome.
If an ending became canon then our choices really wouldn't matter. If High EMS Destroy is canon, then Shepard never takes control of the Reapers. Earth is never destroyed, and the Reapers never become allies. Our chcoies will not have mattered.
Choice wouldn't be removed with an established ending esecially when ME1 pretty much had 1 ending just like ME2 pretty much having 2 endings.Thats a red herring especially what happened with ME1 and ME2.iakus wrote...
You realize that a lot of people are afraid that's exactly what's going to end up happening? And if/when it does, even you will admit the poopstorm will be major.Actually it would be better if nothing was added to it because it would be another farce thats used to say that "choice doesn't matter".iakus wrote...
Depends on how elaborate we want to get. Attaching a few seconds to the breath scene or a line of dialogue into a scene probably wouldn't be a big deal. What I'm talking about is simply a few audio/visual queues to validate a particular aspect of an ending.
They AREN'T grounded in ME1. They aren't even really introduced until you MEET THE CATALYST.Blueprotoss wrote...
If ME wasn't designed around the endings for ME3 then the concepts of Control, Destroy, and Synthesis wouldn't be grounded in ME1. Also a Reaper leader would have been established at the end of ME1 or at the beginning of ME2. Don't forget that sci-fi wasn't created around DE.silverexile17s wrote...
It's BECAUSE of that the ending didn't sit well with anyone. Making something like that, only to throw away the entire concept for a Deus Ex in the last ten minutes?Blueprotoss wrote...
If nothing was set in stone then nobody could use the "choice didn't matter" defence.silverexile17s wrote...
It's called PRE-SETS. And these CHANGE based on how many games you played and how you play them. The ONLY established cannon is: Saren attacked the Citadel, and the Collectors were beaten. NOTHING ELSE IS SET IN STONE.Blueprotoss wrote...
If there was no established canon throughout the ME series then half of ME3 wouldn't coinside with neither ME1 nor ME2, which you can say vice versa with ME1 and ME2. Asking for DLC like that is like expecting world peace to happen in this generation because it would be a nightmare before and after the 65,000+ plotlines in ME3 with import saves excluding DLC.
Of COURSE it was going to be bad.
1. Post a link showing someone that agreed with you more then once.Blueprotoss wrote...
You do know hat assuming makes you into right?silverexile17s wrote...
1.I have seen NO ONE agree with you. You have bickered with them every step of the way.
2. There IS no default LI. It assumes you don't HAVE one, if it's a blank import.
3. It ISN'T. It's only ANNOUNCED that it's PLANNED. It's not in pre-production yet. They have DA3, More content for Star Wars: TOR, and DLC for ME3. They can't yet work on it. Just early planning stage at this point.
If thats the case then Liara wouldn't be the default LI for every Male Shepard for without an import for ME2 and ME3.
Hopefully you know that planning is part of pre-production.
Blueprotoss wrote...
How is that when I'm not blaming or insulting someone based on opinion or assumption.silverexile17s wrote...
1. Go back and look at those posts. YOU are the one who is making accusations and mirroring the blame back at others. You should know this process.
It's called a "Red Herring." Remember?It seems like you haven't followed Star Wars since you can Destroy, Conrol, Coexist, or Refuse in one form in most of the PC based games.silverexile17s wrote...
2. Deus Ex: Human Revolution has similar trates in the endings.
Darrow's rejection of augmentation mirrors the Destroy the hub ending in Deus Ex, and the Destroy option in ME3.
Taggert's control option mirrors the Control the Illumanati option in Deus Ex, and the Control option in ME3.
Sarif's merging of man and machine into new life mirrors the Merge with Helios option in Deus Ex, and the Synthesis option in ME3.
AND, Deus Ex: Human Revoultion had the option to refuse all the others and trust the next generation. And what is there in the ME3 EC?
An Option to refuse the others and let the next generation decide.
Old or New, originator or not, these endings are now squarely a trademark of the Deus Ex franchise.I do't need to mention Brotherhood of Steel especially when I mentioned Fallout 3 having a small uproar.silverexile17s wrote...
3... You NEVER mentioned Brotherhood of Steel. Just Fallout. Unless you misread the post that mentioned Fallout 3's ending DLC "BROKEN STEEL." As for Rage, the entire game felt like you had no clue what was truly going on. Yes, the ending was an unexpected cliffhanger, to say the least, but NOTHING really fell into place for that game.
And I meant that YOUR use of that game list was the strawman.
I was saying that had *I* had the "gall" (scarcasm) to use a list like that in that exact mannor as you did, you would say it's a strawman.How are those strawmen when L4D2 wasn't boycotted by a small group of fans and Advent Rising was engulfed in flames.silverexile17s wrote...
4...I think THOSE are considered strawmen too.
Left 4 dead 2 was near insualting to release a game that quickly following the first one. Some damn heads up one "We'll still support the first game" would have been nice.
And "Advent Rising" did quite well. So it was a surprise that the game didn't get a sequel after a planned series was announced. But then, that just means that planned games fall through, don't they? (Hint: ME4)
Now, to keep ON SUBJECT, the vid showing ME fans protesting for a Mako patch? You have it?
No?
ME3's ending uproar is the biggest fan contraversy in a long time. There have been others. But this is one of the ones that succeded in getting a bit of actual CLOSURE. We STILL don't have a truly good, fitting ending, but at least what we have makes a bit of actual SENSE now.Yet you're assuming again.silverexile17s wrote...
5. Those are just PARTS of larger districts. Barely TEN percent of Omega. There are several districts, and we saw fractions of just three. There are loading docks, and mining shafts where Eezo is/was mined out. The station is 44.7 KM. That's BIG. And with mining shafts and elevators, and tramways to transport these goods and Eezo, Omega is quite large.
Unlike KotOR II, I don't think there's any unused content on the ME3 disc that will completely heal the game for me.Ironhandjustice wrote...
Nightwriter wrote...
I don't get it. Are you saying there is unused content on the disc that will restore the game to full epicness the way it did for KotOR II?
I'm saying that is a possibility.
This, and that if fans want something (AKA: kill starkid or make it have sense, like being uploaded to an interface), they will do even if bioware doesn't want to.
On the other hand, the people from KOTOR II mod, added their own content completing the files.
Same can be done, for example, to get the claimed reunion. Imagine: you reuse and change Kaidan/Ash animation at the hospital and put all the companions staring at Shep. Quite easy to do, and is a reunion scene.
The only difficulty is to reach the code and link this.
Other possibility is change destroy to get a non-killing scene with EDI speaking on destroy ending, and then reunion with high EMS.
Modders will decide, and mod. Even if they have to decrypt the engine. Is a fact.
There are people out there capable of robbing banks through internet.
This is why the fan cycle cannot be broken
Blueprotoss wrote...
Deflection doesn't approve or disprove what is or isn't canon.silverexile17s wrote...
1. Those are background things. Haven't you noticed that NOTHING, including gender, is ever gone into depth. Near ALL the lore we've seen has been pre-ME1, or has keept it as general as possible, NEVER naming names or dates. The ONLY things that are true cannon are: Shepard stopped Saren at the Citadel, and Shepard brought down the Collector Base. NOTHING else is EVER confirmed or denied regarding Shepard. ANY and ALL pieces of the lore are done on the squad-mates, and nothing Spicific is EVER stated. The EU of Mass Effect works AROUND the cannon, so as not to infulence the game for people.I'm not assuming anything especially when Bioware usually don't do prequelssilverexile17s wrote...
2. You ASSUME that ME4 is indeed "ME4," and not a spin-off like ME: Infiltrator was, or a prequel. Also, I remember that scene with the Stargazer saying "The details are lost to time, It happened so long ago."
Meaning that it would probably be far into the future, where hardly ANYTHING is remembered in detail, leaving the fate of Shepard ambiguous. They learned the HARD way what happens when you cannonize a character too much, like (example) with Revan from KotOR.Why would they start from scratch even when a small uproar of "fans" being angry isn't anything new with video game in general.silverexile17s wrote...
3. Their doing Omega, aren't they? and Look at Leviathen? I don't think there is going to be a game to IMPORT to from here, as they will try to start fresh, after the sour note the trilogy ended on. And if they're doing more DLC anyway, which is confirmed, Why not do this?
Nightwriter wrote...
Bah. Arguing with him when you specifically told me not to. BUNCH OF HYPOCRITES, ALL OF YOU.
Nightwriter wrote...
Bah. Arguing with him when you specifically told me not to. BUNCH OF HYPOCRITES, ALL OF YOU.
Blueprotoss wrote...
If I didn't care for the topic then I wouldn't be here. Btw that red herring isn't going to work.silverexile17s wrote...
1.YOU are the one who just said you didn't care for the refernce, therfore implying you do not care about the topic.Yet you acted as if they didn't exist even when the inventory system in ME1 and the Mako in general has caused more "issues" then ME3 as a whole.silverexile17s wrote...
2. I never said they did not exist. I said that comparing the ME3 ending fiasco as no more intense then those was like comparing the London clock tower of Big Ben with a bedroom cukoo clock. What I said was that none of these uproars were as IMMENCE as the one over the endings of ME3.I didn't discredit anything but its ironic when you're the one who's focusing on discrediting people.silverexile17s wrote...
3. How is that when you tried to discredit DICTIONARIES? Calling them a subjective source of information?
Your ADDING to the creditabilaty of EVERYONE you post against. Or did you miss the posts here saying that NO ONE takes stock in what you say? There is a REASON for that, you know. Ask around. See what they think about whose creditabilaty is better.Its very odd that you're talking about facts when you yourself is focusing on opinion.silverexile17s wrote...
4. Have you ever put up any fact that supports ANY of your claims? YOU have always used strawmen and red herrings while accusing everyone ELSE of doing it. That's called being insulting. And it's all you ever HAVE done on the BSN. Look at the posts. It's not just concidence that everyone seems to DISAGREE with you on about EVERY post you ever put up. And come to think of it, I don't think you EVER put up a stand-alone post. Every one of your posts has been qouting on someone and doing everything to discredit them while tripping over yourself and contridicting your own arguements, until it becomes about nothing other then being the one that rules the sandbox. I mean, haven't you noticed that NO ONE here seems to support your posts? You have your OPINIONS. But what pisses people off is constantly trying to FORCE those opinions on others claiming they are fact, while saying that all modern sources of factual information, from Dictionaries to wikis, are subjective information. If that's true, then WHERE are you getting YOUR "facts." And Don't say Litiature, since Dictionaries count in that catagory. And doing that while constantly accusing THEM that everything they post is nothing more then personal, fan-made opinion is the definition of insulting. It's calling them liers in all but name.
Dryfish said that having a debate with you is near-impossible. Everyone on the BSN seems to dread your arrival on a page. There is a REASON for that. It isn't possible that they ALL are just wrong, or using opinion.
Think about that.
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