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[k1ngl1ves]

LW just stands for having patience, and knowing when to fall back. It's a hollow banner. Actually, most banners can be done grinding bronze. So... I guess all banners are sh*t. Challenges are choking the life out of this game, in relation to PUGs. The only real fun way to play is with friends, imo...

[Zero132132]

Big Jack Shepard wrote...

Zero132132 wrote...

Nomad means you have to play the game on gold on every map, or platinum on a few less maps, for 100 waves. Soloing only really needs one setup. Nomad might be one that requires a lot of grinding for time, sure, but I think it requires more skill than Lone Wolf, just because having a specific plan for each map is kinda tough. You need some versatility.

I don't agree.

There are some kits that can handle any map.

By the way, I hope we get a chance to play together again.

There are plenty of kits that can handle any map, but what else requires either 10 gold runs on each of 13 maps (130 overall) and 20 bronze runs on a hazard or, at minimum, 100 platinum runs (10 on 10 maps)? Even if you can Kroguard-Geth the whole way through, that's a lot of matches where you're either contributing or getting carried. Solos, you can't really get carried, but it's fairly easy to do 2 golds, 3 silvers, and 5 bronzes using exclusively the Krogan Vanguard with a Reegar against Geth on Glacier.

Doing 130 gold runs and having to do them on 13 different maps just seems like it'd require more out of a player. I don't think someone could Kroguard-Geth all that without getting REALLY bored. I couldn't even do it beyond the 2 gold runs (did other stuff for the silver and bronzes; Kroguard-Geth'd gold cuz' I'm not a soloer really). I think people would WANT to switch up the gameplay a bit at some point.

Maybe not. I guess with others, there's being carried, and you're allowed more variability and less planning when others are with you.

And yeah, it was nice playing with someone who said '****' as much as I do. GT's in sig if you want to invite me to a game or two sometime.

[megabeast37215]

Uh Cold wrote...
Platinum solo on each map.. Now that would be an epic earn.
Might make a petition for that, I bet only a handful of people would even bother with it though.

If you build it... they will come.

I know I would... just not having it when my friends (who are better than me) do is enough to make me seek it out.

[Big Jack Shepard]

k1ngl1ves wrote...

LW just stands for having patience, and knowing when to fall back. It's a hollow banner. Actually, most banners can be done grinding bronze. So... I guess all banners are sh*t. Challenges are choking the life out of this game, in relation to PUGs. The only real fun way to play is with friends, imo...

So, patience and prudence have little or nothing to do with skill?

[Alath01]

The only thing that requires skill in this game is reacting to bad situations

[megabeast37215]

Someone already stated that soloing skills don't translate into the team game very well, and I wanted to illustrate that point further.

Awhile ago (like 3 months+)... I played with a BSNer who was revered as being one of the very best. We played regular Gold... we thought he had a certain position locked down, well... he didn't. He went off Lone Wolfing... and we got flanked. So we asked him to stay in the same general area (around 1/4 of the map, so the spawns stayed blocked) and it was like pulling teeth for him. He was miserable... this is the same person who said "Soloing is practically easier than playing with a team because they just get in the way." He didn't revive anyone either I might add....

The Lone Wolf playstyle doesn't translate well into team play IMO. You don't need to kite mobs if you work together with your team to decimate them.

[darkpassenger2342]

soloing is boring.

[Zoetropes]

Since my last post wasn't flamed into oblivion, here's another, more anecdotal;

How many Lone Wolves have started out just testing a class, a loadout, a build, in a solo, only to find that it's Wave 8 and you still have all or most consumables, might as well extract? I know that's how I did my first Lone Wolf (Fury vs. Reapers, Fury vs. Cerberus, the Bronzes and Silvers were just random).

I sure didn't *plan* on soloing Gold with my Javelin FQE or Barry the Shockwave-less Batarian Sentinel, but I have, and the Lone Wolf-acquisitions came in passing. Something, call it pride or stubborn-ness, just prevents me from wiping on Wave 9 if everything has gone (relatively) well thus far.

This is also the "story" of pretty much everyone I know and play with regularly who also have Lone Wolf once or multiple times.

I would almost be willing to wager that most Lone Wolves, at least on PC which is where I play, didn't set out to get the banner but figured they'd wrap it up when they saw it was obtainable. How other platforms are, I couldn't say.

Z.

Modifié par Zoetropes, 31 octobre 2012 - 11:12 .

[BobFettle]

 U mad bro?  Yes I am.

I'm sick and tired of all this lone wolf cr**.  I know I should'nt even have opened this thread but I have and here I am.

I got my lone wolf banner.  I normally play silver because that's where the pugs that I mostly find myself in are most comfortable.  But I optimized, got a TGI with harrier and went against Reapers on London twice.  Easy mode, I get it.  Still, I regularly play gold with people I know and concider good players and none of them were able to do it so far.

"Anyone with a kroguard can solo gold against Geth.  It requires no skill" Oh please!  
Anyone saying this is either
(1) a troll
(2) an incredably eletist snob
(3) an insecure jerk waving his epeen in people's faces 
(4) COMPLETELY out of touch with reality.

Pick any combo above, I don't care.  Better, have your 2 year old give it a try, or your 85 year old nan.  Trust me, you DO need SOME skill.  Take 100 noobs that have done a 50 or so  silvers a try and tell me how many can do it.  Better still.  Do a few bronze games with pugs and HONSETLY tell me if you still stand by your statement.

"It is too boring to get Lone Wolf"  Really?  And at the same time it's also the easiest AND the fastest to get?  I guess you did not do Combat Mastery with 250 over the counter grabs? OK, fair enough, I can see your point.

"It's easy to get the banner just by cheating.  It's worthless in any case because I playd a gold with my level 1 Asari Adept rocking my killer level 1 BW and level2 Claymore with my 2 friends that are as 733t as I am.  This Lone wolf played with us and on wave 10 he could not even solo it after the rest of us all died within the first 30 secs.  He complained that he used all his consumables reviving us on the previous rounds.  What a noob!"  Yea, I can only say sometimes it's a LOT more dangerous trying to be a good team player than just going solo.  Also, I if I play in a group I'm normally kitted for a group. Not that I'm not ready to solo a wave or two, but if I wanted to solo I'd have done that.  

"I kick a Lone Wolf because they are not team players.  They only play for themselves"  I'm guessing you're the Lv1 Assari with a -5000% cooldown.  I see the Lone wolf banner in the pug lobbies from time to time.  My experience is that they are solid players.  Some are really good but the most you can trust to be solid.  They do sometimes go down.  If you go down they revive you if they can.  They often know how to use their mic.  They are courteous and as I said solid.  That is at least my experience.  You can certainly do worse.

Right, rant off.  In closing (even if only for myself since I doubt many will read this wall of text)  I got my Lone Wolf banner.  It was the first one I got and the one I wanted the most, mostly because I did not think I'd be good enough to get it.  Sure, I took an easier path.  But I got it legit and I still earned it and I find a lot of the comments around it insulting and infantile.  

Does it meant that I now only does solo gold games?  No.  I still play silver 70% of the time like I did before.  But I'm more confident.  I've learned a few things.  I'm much more confident to join a gold PUG and, if need be, I'm willing and capable to solo the occasional objective round or two or better still, give critical advice early enough so that the rest of the squad does not spend the round sleeping.
If you have any issue with my banner (or any other banner I may or may not have) then it's your issue, not mine.
 

[ThatGuyThatPlaysThisGame]

Requires skill? Ha! No game requires skill.

[BobFettle]

Wow! This is a wall of text ...

[GallowsPole]

Lone Wolf is a banner that I will probably never see. Not because I cant do it, but there will be no way in holy hell will I be able to make it through all those solo missions without falling asleep. Soloing is a test of patience, not skill.

[8 Bears]

Yeah, Lone Wolf is the only one that requires skill. Not much skill, but skill nonetheless.

[BobFettle]

megabeast37215 wrote...

Someone already stated that soloing skills don't translate into the team game very well, and I wanted to illustrate that point further.

Awhile ago (like 3 months+)... I played with a BSNer who was revered as being one of the very best. We played regular Gold... we thought he had a certain position locked down, well... he didn't. He went off Lone Wolfing... and we got flanked. So we asked him to stay in the same general area (around 1/4 of the map, so the spawns stayed blocked) and it was like pulling teeth for him. He was miserable... this is the same person who said "Soloing is practically easier than playing with a team because they just get in the way." He didn't revive anyone either I might add....

The Lone Wolf playstyle doesn't translate well into team play IMO. You don't need to kite mobs if you work together with your team to decimate them.

Sure, Lone wolf skills are not worth much if you plan to camp the fortress point on the map and keep it against all cost.  But a lot of the skills are REALLY usefull if you need to move around.  In fact even if you do camp a Lone wolf can pull a LOT of aggro away and once you have an objective round it becomes really usefull.  And it's not just lone wolfs.  A number of classes are a lot less usefull when camping like vanguards, infiltrators, mobile adepts ...

Here's my anedote:  I played the other night with 1 other lone wolf and 2 solid players.  We played a fast mobile game moving around as a group finishing the gold in 26 minutes while, as a group, using 3 ops packs and one rocket.  That was a much better game than trying to lock a position down.  (In fact we were laughing at one point because it was so easy.)  Sure, it's easier to just camp and if you want to you're welcome.  I enjoy the challenge of moving around.

But I agree that some lone wolfs are a pain to play with.  I've had the same experience once.  Then again, I've playd with all sort of non lone wolf players that were as much a pain.

[SlayerGP]

BobFettle wrote...

/snip

Just noticed your GT, always good to bump into a fellow saffer, pity we play on different platforms. Pretty much agree with your wall of text, too much epeen wagging in these parts. Like heading into a gym and listening to the grunts and moans of a steroid meathead who's trying to compensate for a small appendage.

[Chealec]

Zero132132 wrote...

Nomad means you have to play the game on gold on every map, or platinum on a few less maps, for 100 waves. Soloing only really needs one setup. Nomad might be one that requires a lot of grinding for time, sure, but I think it requires more skill than Lone Wolf, just because having a specific plan for each map is kinda tough. You need some versatility.

Not quite - I've got Nomad - once you factor in the hazards, if you don't play Platinum (which I don't really, I prefer Gold), you need to do all the maps bar 1 to gold level. You need 40 unlocks and with hazrds and gold level games only there's a possible 42 you can get so there's 1 map you only need to complete on bronze (it was Goddess for me as I found it very hard to find gold/goddess games so I dropped to silver for the last few)

The problem with Lone Wolf (and several other banners) is that I would have to specifically go out of my way to target them... I never solo really unless I'm testing something out for a few rounds so Lone Wolf is totally off my radar at the moment (I can't even remember the last time I completed a solo game - it was before the patch anyway since my manifest says I've completed exactly 0 solo runs). I'll go out of my way a bit if I'm getting close (like with Nomad, Shotgun or Assault Rifle Mastery) but I'm unlikely to spend hours soloing in the near future.

Tech Mastery (Mathmagician) and Blood Pack Mastery (Monster) are the two I'll probably keep racking up over and over again as those are the classes I use most... other than that Collector and Geth Mastery probably.


Aaanyway.... having Lone Wolf basically shows that you've got a basic understanding of the game (spawn control for instance), situational awareness and some consumables (you still may need carrying occasionally if you're having an off game or using an unfamiliar kit); it doesn't mean you're a "God Tier" player.

Not having Lone Wolf shows, well, exactly nothing other than the fact that you've not gone out of your way to get it.

Modifié par Chealec, 31 octobre 2012 - 12:44 .

[-Tentei-]

I've only done two solos. Krogan Soldier vs cerberus on giant, and Turian Soldier vs Collecters on Condor. All it shows is that you can handle yourself in a firefight and you don't need a lot of help. Frankly, I think there should be a team player banner, to get it you need what's tantamount to 10 full extractions on platinum.

[KentGoldings]

None of the banners require team play. Lone Wolf is the most blatant about it.

[Cry of the Wind]

BobFettle wrote...

Wow! This is a wall of text ...

Aye, but a good wall!

Modifié par Cry of the Wind, 31 octobre 2012 - 12:43 .

[BobFettle]

SlayerGP wrote...

Just noticed your GT, always good to bump into a fellow saffer, pity we play on different platforms. Pretty much agree with your wall of text, too much epeen wagging in these parts. Like heading into a gym and listening to the grunts and moans of a steroid meathead who's trying to compensate for a small appendage.

Good to meet.  If you ever want to join the dark side, we have a nice group going.
 

[Chealec]

BobFettle wrote...
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"It is too boring to get Lone Wolf"  Really?  And at the same time it's also the easiest AND the fastest to get?  I guess you did not do Combat Mastery with 250 over the counter grabs? OK, fair enough, I can see your point.

...

No, no I didn't

I've got everything in Combat Mastery except grabs through normal gameplay... and do you know how many of those 250 required grabs I've managed to get so far? 44. Yup, just 44 grabs of opportunity when I've seen something hunkered down behind a wall as I've been running around like a full-on Krogan headbutter.

I'll get Combat Mastery when I get it through normal gameplay.. eventually. However, my normal gameplay doesn't involve soloing because, yes, I find it boring (nobody to talk rubbish to over the mic).

[isocyanide]

A lot of getting LW is luck with objectives. Some objectives are damn near impossible solo.

I did my two golds for my LW on London vs Cerb with the TGI while leveling up my AR challenges. It was actually fun and learned a great deal about some of guns, the map and game in general.

[Cloaking_Thane]

It requires you to be half way decent at the game, I am working on it currently, it is tedious.

[Samerandomscreennameidontcareabout]

Big Jack Shepard wrote...

 Some have said it.

I wonder if it is true.

Well, look at it this way: Every other challenge can accompllshed by playing bronze. There´s no requirement at all. Apart from some extractions needed, all you needed to is start a bronze wave, run planlessly around and try to kill stuff, at which you don´t even need to succed, because if you score 300 points a game you´d only need to play enough games.

Map mastery, which requires  at least to play gold and lone wolf, which require extractions on Gold are thus the only challenges which really are challenges. The rest of them is more or less like a worklog.

[Sovereign24]

Most of the banners are just grinds, including Lone Wolf to an extent (Bronze solo's FTL)