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[megabeast37215]

BobFettle wrote...

megabeast37215 wrote...

Someone already stated that soloing skills don't translate into the team game very well, and I wanted to illustrate that point further.

Awhile ago (like 3 months+)... I played with a BSNer who was revered as being one of the very best. We played regular Gold... we thought he had a certain position locked down, well... he didn't. He went off Lone Wolfing... and we got flanked. So we asked him to stay in the same general area (around 1/4 of the map, so the spawns stayed blocked) and it was like pulling teeth for him. He was miserable... this is the same person who said "Soloing is practically easier than playing with a team because they just get in the way." He didn't revive anyone either I might add....

The Lone Wolf playstyle doesn't translate well into team play IMO. You don't need to kite mobs if you work together with your team to decimate them.

Sure, Lone wolf skills are not worth much if you plan to camp the fortress point on the map and keep it against all cost.  But a lot of the skills are REALLY usefull if you need to move around.  In fact even if you do camp a Lone wolf can pull a LOT of aggro away and once you have an objective round it becomes really usefull.  And it's not just lone wolfs.  A number of classes are a lot less usefull when camping like vanguards, infiltrators, mobile adepts ...

Here's my anedote:  I played the other night with 1 other lone wolf and 2 solid players.  We played a fast mobile game moving around as a group finishing the gold in 26 minutes while, as a group, using 3 ops packs and one rocket.  That was a much better game than trying to lock a position down.  (In fact we were laughing at one point because it was so easy.)  Sure, it's easier to just camp and if you want to you're welcome.  I enjoy the challenge of moving around.

But I agree that some lone wolfs are a pain to play with.  I've had the same experience once.  Then again, I've playd with all sort of non lone wolf players that were as much a pain.

On Gold... yeah run around an destroy everything. On Platinum... I prefer to have a plan... camping, with the ability to adapt when over run... is typically that plan. It takes 4 pretty badass players to pull off the roaming death squad on Platinum.

The story I wrote... took place when I was a much worse player than I am now.

[metaempiricist]

people missile glitch to get it so I have no respect for this banner

[ISeeRainbows]

I still saw ppl with lone wolf banner and died much more times than me/others. I think its need some skill even with good kits to react on tight situations. Because you can have a lvl20 char with good build and awesome kit, if you dont know how to handle it, and save your ass from a swarm of enemies. But in a pug who dies and have lone wolf banner, i dont care but when he die many times, i just think his/her title just a waste, and non-sense. I know, they not gods, but if they put that banner, i expect some survival ability of them.

Modifié par ISeeRainbows, 31 octobre 2012 - 01:08 .

[SlayerGP]

metaempiricist wrote...

people missile glitch to get it so I have no respect for this banner

You can't missile glitch when you're hosting. Your ignorance is astounding.

[GriM_AoD]

They don't have to solo platinum (which is a nightmare btw) to get it. And I'd wager 9/10 used Kroguard vs Geth to get the gold ones.
So no, it doesn't mean much. The only way to tell skill is to see them in action

Edit - Note - being a co op game, their solo 'skills' may not translate into teamplay

Modifié par GriM_AoD, 31 octobre 2012 - 01:11 .

[SlayerGP]

ISeeRainbows wrote...

I still saw ppl with lone wolf banner and died much more times than me/others. I think its need some skill even with good kits to react on tight situations. Because you can have a lvl20 char with good build and awesome kit, if you dont know how to handle it, and save your ass from a swarm of enemies. But in a pug who dies and have lone wolf banner, i dont care but when he die many times, i just think his/her title just a waste, and non-sense. I know, they not gods, but if they put that banner, i expect some survival ability of them.

If he's playing a Drell then chances are he probably will die. You can't expect a LW or anyone else for that matter to rock every character in the game.

[KeeperB5]

Someone having the Lone Wolf banner and who actually worked for it does not equal being awesome on every possible kit and weapon. Because of these challenges, people are trying kits and weapons they otherwise would not.

The Lone Wolfes certainly have a certain kit, weapon and loadout they use when they solo. They do well with this combination. The fact that they do badly with others is expected. You can't be good with everything.

That said, those who have worked for the Lone Wolf banner should in theory be better than average with any kit and weapon. They still need time to get used to them, which may or may not happen during completion of the said challenges.

Thankfully PC does not have missile glitchers as far as I know. So the worst we can do is Kroguard solo Geth. But even that requires rudimentary skill to pull off now that the Geth have bombers and Kroguard gets staggered more easily than pre-patch.

Hell, I have Lone Wolf banner and I still might die on wave 1 on Silver difficulty if I get careless or game suddenly gets a lag spike. Does that mean I'm worthless when I play gold or platinum? No, I have my favorite kits and weapons I use on those difficulties and I know how to use them.

[shodiswe]

I got Lonewolf and I can tell you that it moslty takes extreme patience.... Because it's a lot slower to solo things and you have to play it safe since other players arn't there to pick you up if you take crazy risks.

I woudln't say that I feelt like my runs were impressive, it was actualy fairly boring... I had to keep reminding myself that I only had to do this the set amount of times requiered for the achivement and play very conservatively and with great caution.... Anticipate the NPC's ambush tactics and pick them off a few at the time and them move after having given them enough time to almost sandwitch me.

Separating the faster and more slowly moving enemies.

It was no fun at all... I prefer more reckless gameplay....

Modifié par shodiswe, 31 octobre 2012 - 01:16 .

[ISeeRainbows]

SlayerGP wrote...

ISeeRainbows wrote...

I still saw ppl with lone wolf banner and died much more times than me/others. I think its need some skill even with good kits to react on tight situations. Because you can have a lvl20 char with good build and awesome kit, if you dont know how to handle it, and save your ass from a swarm of enemies. But in a pug who dies and have lone wolf banner, i dont care but when he die many times, i just think his/her title just a waste, and non-sense. I know, they not gods, but if they put that banner, i expect some survival ability of them.

If he's playing a Drell then chances are he probably will die. You can't expect a LW or anyone else for that matter to rock every character in the game.

makes sense, but who have LW, he prolly have some skill, because he not just started the game, so may he knows the characters strenghts and weaknesses, and which character he can play on silver/gold/plat. I dont say they must be Gods, just if i must res them at every wave 3-4 times, if i can go there i dont care, its just a bit disappointing. 

[Whatislove?]

It requires time. Not everyone has there weapons fully upgraded at X or all the characters in there manifest yet. Solo's are boring though imo.

[cronshaw]

I think the speed with which some people have unlocked nomad, and a couple others means they probably play a lot of platinum.
So no I don't think lone wolf is the only one that denotes a skilled player, at least right now.

[shodiswe]

Personaly I love the Volus Engineer lots offun

I used to like the slayer aswell but all the Biotic charge bugs and getting shifted through the floor or ceiling annoyed me too much.

[InTheZone]

neverhadspam wrote...

Xaijin wrote...

The only skill is ME is situational awareness.

banners just mean grinds and dedication. has nothing to do with skill.

QFT

[BobFettle]

Chealec wrote...

BobFettle wrote...
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"It is too boring to get Lone Wolf"  Really?  And at the same time it's also the easiest AND the fastest to get?  I guess you did not do Combat Mastery with 250 over the counter grabs? OK, fair enough, I can see your point.

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No, no I didn't

I've got everything in Combat Mastery except grabs through normal gameplay... and do you know how many of those 250 required grabs I've managed to get so far? 44. Yup, just 44 grabs of opportunity when I've seen something hunkered down behind a wall as I've been running around like a full-on Krogan headbutter.

I'll get Combat Mastery when I get it through normal gameplay.. eventually. However, my normal gameplay doesn't involve soloing because, yes, I find it boring (nobody to talk rubbish to over the mic).

The last bit was not sarcastic.  I do see your point.  (I did get my 250 grabs but man, that WAS boring.)

[Himmelhauk]

So basically what I'm getting from these kinds of threads, is NONE of the banners require skill, and regardless of which one you have, you'll just be seen as an average joe type of player. Great.

[VaultingFrog]

It is grindable, which is just another reason why I wont bother with it. Besides solo's are not for me unless I am testing a new build. Then I refuse to use consumables and just let my toon die.

[Lexa_D]

megabeast37215 wrote...

Someone already stated that soloing skills don't translate into the team game very well, and I wanted to illustrate that point further.

Awhile ago (like 3 months+)... I played with a BSNer who was revered as being one of the very best. We played regular Gold... we thought he had a certain position locked down, well... he didn't. He went off Lone Wolfing... and we got flanked. So we asked him to stay in the same general area (around 1/4 of the map, so the spawns stayed blocked) and it was like pulling teeth for him. He was miserable... this is the same person who said "Soloing is practically easier than playing with a team because they just get in the way." He didn't revive anyone either I might add....

The Lone Wolf playstyle doesn't translate well into team play IMO. You don't need to kite mobs if you work together with your team to decimate them.

Camping on gold is not a high-level way of playing, no? No wonder he left. Was he ever committing to keeping this area in the first place?

[BobFettle]

isocyanide wrote...

A lot of getting LW is luck with objectives. Some objectives are damn near impossible solo.

I did my two golds for my LW on London vs Cerb with the TGI while leveling up my AR challenges. It was actually fun and learned a great deal about some of guns, the map and game in general.

I thought so at first but changed my mind.  During my 2 gold solos I had a surprizing eaven spread with some doozies:
4 devices: Once
Hacking: Twice (Once on wave 10 :-( )
Assasination: Once
Retreival: Once
Escort: Once

The trick is not to draw fire if you do not want the attention, use your consumables if you have to and not to be scared to leave the objective to draw stuff away and then to circle back.  Those skills are by the way really usefull in team play as well.

[Ronnie Blastoff]

Lone wolf banners look cool with Xs on them...

[Chealec]

BobFettle wrote...

Chealec wrote...

BobFettle wrote...
...

"It is too boring to get Lone Wolf"  Really?  And at the same time it's also the easiest AND the fastest to get?  I guess you did not do Combat Mastery with 250 over the counter grabs? OK, fair enough, I can see your point.

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No, no I didn't

I've got everything in Combat Mastery except grabs through normal gameplay... and do you know how many of those 250 required grabs I've managed to get so far? 44. Yup, just 44 grabs of opportunity when I've seen something hunkered down behind a wall as I've been running around like a full-on Krogan headbutter.

I'll get Combat Mastery when I get it through normal gameplay.. eventually. However, my normal gameplay doesn't involve soloing because, yes, I find it boring (nobody to talk rubbish to over the mic).

The last bit was not sarcastic.  I do see your point.  (I did get my 250 grabs but man, that WAS boring.)

Yeah, I'm not even trying for it - but admit it - the million melee damage with something like a Krentinel was a blast

MMMRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWW!

[megabeast37215]

Lexa_D wrote...

megabeast37215 wrote...

Someone already stated that soloing skills don't translate into the team game very well, and I wanted to illustrate that point further.

Awhile ago (like 3 months+)... I played with a BSNer who was revered as being one of the very best. We played regular Gold... we thought he had a certain position locked down, well... he didn't. He went off Lone Wolfing... and we got flanked. So we asked him to stay in the same general area (around 1/4 of the map, so the spawns stayed blocked) and it was like pulling teeth for him. He was miserable... this is the same person who said "Soloing is practically easier than playing with a team because they just get in the way." He didn't revive anyone either I might add....

The Lone Wolf playstyle doesn't translate well into team play IMO. You don't need to kite mobs if you work together with your team to decimate them.

Camping on gold is not a high-level way of playing, no? No wonder he left. Was he ever committing to keeping this area in the first place?

Ohh I understand his feelings... now.

The story is more to prove a point about how rambo/lone wolf style play doesn't mesh well with 4 people on the same page doing the same thing... unless of course you have 4 people ramboing... which is what Gold is, all about.

[Lexa_D]

megabeast37215 wrote...

Lexa_D wrote...

megabeast37215 wrote...

Someone already stated that soloing skills don't translate into the team game very well, and I wanted to illustrate that point further.

Awhile ago (like 3 months+)... I played with a BSNer who was revered as being one of the very best. We played regular Gold... we thought he had a certain position locked down, well... he didn't. He went off Lone Wolfing... and we got flanked. So we asked him to stay in the same general area (around 1/4 of the map, so the spawns stayed blocked) and it was like pulling teeth for him. He was miserable... this is the same person who said "Soloing is practically easier than playing with a team because they just get in the way." He didn't revive anyone either I might add....

The Lone Wolf playstyle doesn't translate well into team play IMO. You don't need to kite mobs if you work together with your team to decimate them.

Camping on gold is not a high-level way of playing, no? No wonder he left. Was he ever committing to keeping this area in the first place?

Ohh I understand his feelings... now.

The story is more to prove a point about how rambo/lone wolf style play doesn't mesh well with 4 people on the same page doing the same thing... unless of course you have 4 people ramboing... which is what Gold is, all about.

An optimal outcome would've been him taking you guys for a walk around the map 

[UKStory135]

If I can ever get some Shotgun Rail Amps, I'll try to Solo again. I've only tried twice and I wiped on Wave 9 both times. A lot of that was due to my lack of solo experience and a wrong setup. It's been 13 days since I have gotten a Shotgun Rail Amp, so I may never get one again.

[BalisticCarnage]

 3 banners require skill.

Dog of war
lone wolf 
and mass effect (all 25 challenges)

The rest are just time consuming.

[ZoM_Head]

megabeast37215 wrote...

I call BS. Kroguarding vs Geth... takes little to no skill. That's how most people got it... so the banner will forever be tainted in that regard.

This

Or Asaris with Stasis bubble and black widow.

Seriously, it will be the ONLY banner i will not even bother for, and i have 21/25 done already.