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[TacticalAce]

To elaborate I think in order for bioware to take the next step in emotional impact for our companions would be to flesh out their personal lives as well. What if some or even one of our companions had a a family, A wife/husband kids. this can open the door to being even more emotionally attached to the character. Maybe the character would reference to their family and how bad things may be for them being away from them in troubled times ulimately making the player sympathize more for them. You would want to see them be reunited at the end, or you would be crushed if the character  family dies.

Another thing that may be very controversial is romancing the character causing an affair between the character and you. But if you do so you will have consequences for your actions, causing the characters family to fall apart. Who knows you can probably drive the characters spouse to do something bad. Then when you visit their familys town you hear from someone what has happened.

This is just one scenario of fleshing out a companions life. I'm not saying every companion needs to have a husband/wife and kids. There are many ways to tie their past into their story. Having companions that fleshed out more then ever done before could be a potent future to biowares emotional experiences.

[Rinji the Bearded]

Bioware's done this before

The infamous Bioware Dead Spouses

[Wulfram]

Adventurers tend not to be the sort to put down roots, I guess.  Or the sort whose roots have been torn up. But it wouldn't be a bad idea to have someone with a family.

Modifié par Wulfram, 31 octobre 2012 - 07:57 .

[cogsandcurls]

Aveline and Donnic.

[thats1evildude]

Oghren.

Nathaniel.

Khalid/Jaheira. I haven't even played Baldur's Gate and I knew that one.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 31 octobre 2012 - 08:12 .

[Palipride47]

Wulfram wrote...

Adventurers tend not to be the sort to put down roots, I guess.  Or the sort whose roots have been torn up. But it wouldn't be a bad idea to have someone with a family.

I don't think it would have worked in DAO, having children away. The male dwarf noble can end up having a kid, and you did have family members stay alive throughout the game, but otherwise, it kinda begs the question "why are you out here? You've got kids!"

They did it in DA2 with Aveline with the happy marriage (honestly, could you imagine ANY other charcters, even the LIs when they weren't romanced) settling down like that?

[Palipride47]

*gah, double post*

Modifié par Palipride47, 01 novembre 2012 - 01:26 .

[Palipride47]

*gah, triple post*

Modifié par Palipride47, 01 novembre 2012 - 01:26 .

[EpicBoot2daFace]

Alistair and his hateful sister.
Morrigan and Flemeth
Leliana and... her "lesbian lover?" Marjolaine.
Sten and the Qun.
Wynne and the Chantry.
Oghren and Branka and later Felsi.
Zevran and... everybody.
Shale and her pet rock.
Bodahn and Sandal.
Sandal and Bodahn.

Modifié par EpicBoot2daFace, 31 octobre 2012 - 08:20 .

[DarkKnightHolmes]

You can ask that to almost any character in most of fictions.

[Pedrak]

Not surprisingly, BG2 did it already, and well: Keldorn, for example.

[TacticalAce]

thats1evildude wrote...

Oghren.

Nathaniel.

Khalid/Jaheira. I haven't even played Baldur's Gate and I knew that one.

Oghren was not a character that we had along the whole time from early on speaking about his wife on how he cant wait to reunite with her. Oghren was really introduced literally right before you ventured off to find his wife. We barely knew Ohgren, he just popped out and said help me find my wife. On top of that, the quest to find her was derived from the future king to be and Oghren really felt like a tag along.

Its not good to do things just to say hey we have it. For example battlefield 3 having singleplayer just to tell call of duty hey we have SP too. So in the case of dragon age, just because they had companions with spouses doesnt mean it was good.

[thats1evildude]

In Awakening, Oghren's story arc was about convincing him to be a better father to his child.

[cogsandcurls]

TacticalAce wrote...

thats1evildude wrote...

Oghren.

Nathaniel.

Khalid/Jaheira. I haven't even played Baldur's Gate and I knew that one.

Oghren was not a character that we had along the whole time from early on speaking about his wife on how he cant wait to reunite with her. Oghren was really introduced literally right before you ventured off to find his wife. We barely knew Ohgren, he just popped out and said help me find my wife. On top of that, the quest to find her was derived from the future king to be and Oghren really felt like a tag along.

Its not good to do things just to say hey we have it. For example battlefield 3 having singleplayer just to tell call of duty hey we have SP too. So in the case of dragon age, just because they had companions with spouses doesnt mean it was good.

I believe evildude was referring not to Oghren and Branka but actually Oghren and Felsi. They have a child. His Awakening arc was all about his family.

[TacticalAce]

thats1evildude wrote...

In Awakening, Oghren's story arc was about convincing him to be a better father to his child.

I haven't played awakening or 2 yet will be done with those in the next couple of days. But I'm not sure if what you guys speak of is on the level of complexity of what I speak of. But to go back to the Ohgren example I used, think of that as a early stage of what can grow into something a lot more involving and personal to the character and the player experiencing it.

[thats1evildude]

Oghren bemoans Branka's death and his split from Felsi in Kal'Hirol.

She then shows up at Vigil's Keep and berates him for leaving his wife and child.

Oghren later confesses that he didn't feel up to the task of being a father and the Warden can convince him to forge some connection with his child.

It's a fairly personal sub-plot.

Also, both Nathaniel and Velanna's character arc involves finding a lost sister. (But in Velanna's case, she turns out to be a crazy ghoul with a crush on The Architect.)

Modifié par thats1evildude, 31 octobre 2012 - 09:08 .

[CuriousArtemis]

Merrill leaves her entire clan... Marethari is arguably a mother figure for her. She talks frequently about how she always felt like an outsider among her clan, etc. So she does talk about her family.

EDIT: Gosh and how could I forget Fenris and his sister?

Modifié par motomotogirl, 31 octobre 2012 - 09:28 .

[Bob Garbage]

The majority of party members in Bioware games have had families that they discuss with you in varying degrees. So...yeah.

[L. Han]

Slightly off topic but relevant. Tali in ME2. When she finds out about her dead father was quite heartbreaking.

[thats1evildude]

There's also Varric's sub-plot involving his brother.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 31 octobre 2012 - 10:01 .

[Bob Garbage]

Wrex - History with his Father, family Armor
Garrus - History with his Father
Tali - Father, her place amongst her people, future of her race
Ashley - Sisters, Father, Grandfather
Jacob - Father
Kaidan - Not much, but there is brief discussion of his family in ME3
Miranda - Father, Sister
Kasumi - Lover
Thane - Wife, Son
Samara - Daughters
James - Who gives a **** about James.

That's just one series. This thread be trollin'.

[Herr Uhl]

Bob Garbage wrote...

Wrex - History with his Father, family Armor
Garrus - History with his Father
Tali - Father, her place amongst her people, future of her race
Ashley - Sisters, Father, Grandfather
Jacob - Father
Kaidan - Not much, but there is brief discussion of his family in ME3
Miranda - Father, Sister
Kasumi - Lover
Thane - Wife, Son
Samara - Daughters
James - Who gives a **** about James.

That's just one series. This thread be trollin'.

You also forgot Liara and her mom (and dad to a lesser extent).

Modifié par Herr Uhl, 31 octobre 2012 - 10:46 .

[DarkKnightHolmes]

Bob Garbage wrote...

Wrex - History with his Father, family Armor
Garrus - History with his Father
Tali - Father, her place amongst her people, future of her race
Ashley - Sisters, Father, Grandfather
Jacob - Father
Kaidan - Not much, but there is brief discussion of his family in ME3
Miranda - Father, Sister
Kasumi - Lover
Thane - Wife, Son
Samara - Daughters
James - Who gives a **** about James.

That's just one series. This thread be trollin'.

Funny fact. 8/11 of those characters have some problem with their family members.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

DarkKnightHolmes wrote...

Bob Garbage wrote...

Wrex - History with his Father, family Armor
Garrus - History with his Father
Tali - Father, her place amongst her people, future of her race
Ashley - Sisters, Father, Grandfather
Jacob - Father
Kaidan - Not much, but there is brief discussion of his family in ME3
Miranda - Father, Sister
Kasumi - Lover
Thane - Wife, Son
Samara - Daughters
James - Who gives a **** about James.

That's just one series. This thread be trollin'.

Funny fact. 8/11 of those characters have some problem with their family members.

Because it's a well-known fact that there's no use for family members or loved ones save to do horrible things to them, or have them do horrible things, in order to make the character they're related to more 'interesting'.

DA:O, DA:A and DA2 SPOILERS!

Shianni (PC's cousin): Kidnapped and raped.
Soris (PC's cousin): Imprisoned or blamed by the elves for the purge
Cyrion (Pc's father): Kidnapped by slavers.
Bryce and Eleanor (PC's parents): Murdered
Fergus (PC's brother): Missing in the line of duty, gives the PC something else to fret about
Any lover the HN PC takes: Killed in front of you.
Rica (PC's sister): Threatened with rape if PC doesn't stay in line
Dwarf commoner's mother (forget her name): Drunkard, treats you badly
Leske (PC's best friend): Betrays you. You have to kill him.
Bhelen (Pc's brother): Sets you up for murder
Trian (Pc's brother): Murdered, and your'e either framed for it or responsible for it.
Endrin (PC's father): Exiles you for murder.
Tamlen (PC's best friend/lover): Corrupted. You have to kill him.
Jowan (PC's best friend): Deceives you. Abandons you to templars.
Alistair's 'Sister': Treats him badly
Morrigan's 'Mother': Flemeth's alleged plan to steal Morrigan's body is used to coerce the PC.
Leliana's Lover: Frames her, where she's tortured, possibly raped. Later tries to assassinate her.
Zevran's Best Friend/Former Lover: Tries to kill him if he doesn't return to the Crows.
Zevran's Love Apparent: He laughed at and spat on while she bled to death.
Wynne's Son: Stolen from her.
Oghren's Wife: Leaves him and goes nuts, turning other people into darkspawn.

Awakening:
Nathaniel: Had Rendon Howe for a father.
Oghren: Leaves his wife. Ensuing angst.
Sigrun: Abandoned her comrades.
Velanna: Loses her sister to darkspawn.

DA2:
Anders: Lover Karl made Tranquil
Fenris: Sister set him up
Aveline: Husband Wesley dies in her arms
Isabela: Left the only man she loved. Sold by her mother.
Varric: Has to kill his brother.
Merrill: Has to kill her mentor mother-figure.
All of Hawke's Family: Well, you know.


At least Nathaniel had his sister.

Modifié par Shadow of Light Dragon, 01 novembre 2012 - 01:35 .

[Wynne]

RinjiRenee wrote...

Bioware's done this before

The infamous Bioware Dead Spouses

That does not even vaguely count. They count if they're alive, not if they're backstory. Dead don't count as existing. 

But if a certain pair of characters from Asunder showed up as companions, that would be pretty epic. It would've been cool if both of Hawke's siblings could've been around, too. At least through the first act so we got to know them better. Conservation of detail is bad! 

Anyway, I'd like to see not only companions with loved ones, but two companions who are loved ones for each other. Imagine if both were siblings, and also romanceable... the heart-to-hearts and teasing conversations you could have with the one you were romancing and the one you weren't! And of course a married couple could be cool as well. If Wesley had been a fully fleshed-out companion, I think that would've been interesting, too.