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thegreateski wrote...

But none of them have tried to kill me . . . yet.


Well, in some playthroughs, both Wynne and Lelianna tried to kill me at the Ashes (I wanted the achievement, so got it and reloaded.)

Sten can try to kill you at Haven, too.

The only ones who have no opportunity to kill you are Alistair, Morrigan, Dog and Oghren (at least I can't think of an instance where any of them can).  Even from a character perspective, letting Zevran live is minor.  But once you forgive him for the way you two met, he DOES NOT TURN FROM YOU if you at least talk to the guy.  Me, I always play a good character.  Everyone except Loghain gets a second chance.

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I always found him amusing, besides, I say no to killing people who can be useful assets (more people = greater chance of success imo). Hmm, that sounds so mercenary...really, I'm a totally nice chaotic good person, etc. *chuckle*

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Yeah, you guys need to get off thegreateski's back.  He already
stated that he's speaking from a character perspective, not a personal
one.

Though I would greatly advise keeping Zevran alive on a later play through, thegreateski.  You're missing out on the awesome.../../../../images/forum/emoticons/wink.png

Oh I'm sure I'll keep him around when I get to playing the "saint" PC.

Modifié par thegreateski, 02 janvier 2010 - 05:29 .


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First I did let's him live, but my last playthough, I kill him because he should be die in storm of centry (I was a little cheating, I put many skill in spell at that time but I was still roleplaying however, I cast Storm of Centry and he is live, I like What?" how come this guys alive but all of his men/women is dead? After all he did yell "Grey Warden die!!!" So he want me dead so bady.

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Sialater wrote...

thegreateski wrote...

But none of them have tried to kill me . . . yet.


Well, in some playthroughs, both Wynne and Lelianna tried to kill me at the Ashes (I wanted the achievement, so got it and reloaded.)

Sten can try to kill you at Haven, too.

The only ones who have no opportunity to kill you are Alistair, Morrigan, Dog and Oghren (at least I can't think of an instance where any of them can).


and shale will turn on you as well if you side with Branka...I was not pleased to have to kill her, thankfully it was a " achievment, and reload situation.

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MatronAdena wrote...

Sialater wrote...

thegreateski wrote...

But none of them have tried to kill me . . . yet.


Well, in some playthroughs, both Wynne and Lelianna tried to kill me at the Ashes (I wanted the achievement, so got it and reloaded.)

Sten can try to kill you at Haven, too.

The only ones who have no opportunity to kill you are Alistair, Morrigan, Dog and Oghren (at least I can't think of an instance where any of them can).


and shale will turn on you as well if you side with Branka...I was not pleased to have to kill her, thankfully it was a " achievment, and reload situation.


Yeah, I dread trying to get that achievement.  Branka's such a... Broodmother to kill, i hate to see what Carridin is like.

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My city elf let him join because it was another elf in the world of humans and his shameless flattery kind of hit the right alley.

My spoiled noble killed him since she's used to look down on the elves and after he wouldn't take the offer to try and assassinate Loghain instead, she didn't see reason to spare the worthless creature like that just so he could make another attempt on her life at most inconvenient moment. (incidentally turning down that offer is a really dumb move on Zevran's part. He could've just lied about it to get out alive but nooo. I swear the guy has Alistair's level of cunning)

My mage is most likely going to keep him alive because hey, it's a free elf worth of blood for the spells. If it's good for the Tevinter magisters then it's good enough for me, too.Posted Image

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I'd never kill him because I love the character and also because he does the most damage of any melee in the game (save my pc). Also, it's just a dumb decision in an rpg to kill a recruitable character. You might want him some time.

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Sialater wrote...

MatronAdena wrote...

Sialater wrote...

thegreateski wrote...

But none of them have tried to kill me . . . yet.


Well, in some playthroughs, both Wynne and Lelianna tried to kill me at the Ashes (I wanted the achievement, so got it and reloaded.)

Sten can try to kill you at Haven, too.

The only ones who have no opportunity to kill you are Alistair, Morrigan, Dog and Oghren (at least I can't think of an instance where any of them can).


and shale will turn on you as well if you side with Branka...I was not pleased to have to kill her, thankfully it was a " achievment, and reload situation.


Yeah, I dread trying to get that achievement.  Branka's such a... Broodmother to kill, i hate to see what Carridin is like.

Golems, lightning, and volcanos.

What's not to like?

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My first playthrough I let him live, (because when you kill him his nice armour disappears). Such a waste. I kept him in camp the whole time, dressed in peasant clothes, and had him on privy duty.

When his crow pal showed up in the random encounter during the landsmeet, Zevran understandably made a last ditch effort to complete his contract (and get out of more privy duty), and I understandably cut him to ribbons. Too bad for Alistair who was nominated unanimously as replacement privy master.

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Well, I've only played through once so far, but my Male Human Noble dropped the the dangerous elf while he was unconcious on the ground.  Generally I RP a nicer character.  But honestly, the guy had just tried to kill my friends and I, didn't give him a second chance at it.

Have to see what he's like if I ever let him live, I have trouble making friends right after they try to kill me.

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Sialater wrote...

lazydivey wrote...

robertthebard wrote...

Nope, but I keep wishing for the Murder Knife cutscene with Alistair, however.


What is this?


Obsessive wishful thinking? 

Despite claims to the contrary, Alistair is "building the army to fight the blight" by sitting in camp.  -20 approval for killing Connor, and getting to call him on trying to use me to patch up things between him and Eamon, Priceless.  He hasn't been in my party since Lothering, despite showing up at Eamon's after we ashed him.  The only dialog I've had with him is the dialog he initiates when I go back to camp after killing Connor too.  Ah, to be able to Murder Knife him at the end of that cutscene...Posted ImagePosted ImagePosted Image

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I have spared him, yeah he has tried to kill me but it was nothing personal, just part of his job.
Well, and we are some kind of colleagues. I am a thief, i steal, lie and cheat for money.

By the way, as a Grey Warden i am banned and a new blight is imminent, so i need every aid i can get, and be it only cannon fodder.

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Sialater wrote...

thegreateski wrote...

But none of them have tried to kill me . . . yet.


Well, in some playthroughs, both Wynne and Lelianna tried to kill me at the Ashes (I wanted the achievement, so got it and reloaded.)

Sten can try to kill you at Haven, too.

The only ones who have no opportunity to kill you are Alistair, Morrigan, Dog and Oghren (at least I can't think of an instance where any of them can).  Even from a character perspective, letting Zevran live is minor.  But once you forgive him for the way you two met, he DOES NOT TURN FROM YOU if you at least talk to the guy.  Me, I always play a good character.  Everyone except Loghain gets a second chance.



Yes. Strangely enough, almost all of your companions will try to kill or betray you for personal reasons. Zevran is, surprisingly, the most loyal, and when his "crisis point" comes up, whether he stays or goes, attacks or defends, is based simply on how decently you treated him until that point. Give him a couple of presents and talk to him once in a while, and you need not worry.

And even not playing good, Loghain still dies. A different scenario. Zevran's assassination attempt was nothing personal. He didn't know me from eve, he was simply doing a job he had been contracted to perform. He had nothing against the Wardens, wasn't after you for any alterior motive. Just business. Later on, you find out, even then, he really didn't expect to kill you, and was more likely hoping you would waste him instead, freeing him from the crows and his guilt. Loghain, however, it was personal, and the bugger was doing alot more than just trying kill me for paranoid skitzo reasons. He was basically monkey wrenching my works and had made, in the case of redcliffe and The Circle, alot of unecessary work and suffering, furhter weakening my attempts to get to the business of the blight. Thus, killing him became a major mission priority.

But Zev? No. In all my playthroughs, I found justifiable excuses to spare him and make use of him, whether philanthropic or pragmatic. And, it's nice to have another rogue in the party, as Leliana was of little use to me, and I found the bardic skill tree useless. If I'm playing a rogue, it doesn't matter as much, but non-rogue, Zevran's assassin abilities are far more deadly and useful, and he becomes a combo of damage dealer and trap/lock destroyer. I just use the respec mod to put some lock picking skill into him, and voila. best rogue in game.

i could respec leliana, but really, another major reason to have Zev around is his banter and dialogue alone.

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thegreateski wrote...
The last thing I need in my party is an assassin.

Really?  Is Lel in your party?  Maybe you should pay more attention to her backstory. 

Your party:

A kid barely out of high school.
A hidebound bigot who committed mass murder.
A defective and antisocial golem.
A one-time assassin possibly suffering the early stages of schitzophrenia. 
An alcoholic lecher.
A emotionally crippled wild child partiallly raised by wolves. 
A dead mage on spiritual life-support. 

My first PC is a mage with libertarian sympathies, my second a noble with a bloodlust driven by revenge, my third a maleficar, and my fourth a human-hating reaver. 

Really, the assemblage is not complete without Zevran! 

Dog is the only normal one of the bunch. 

Modifié par Creature 1, 02 janvier 2010 - 01:59 .


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Kniva Knobbyknees

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Killed the bum. There was no way someone who tries to kill you should live whether it be him or others.



Survival of the fittest

There can be only one!

That which does not kill you makes you stronger ... drink his blood from his skull!!

Kill them all!!!



*ahem*



I killed him ....

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Zevran is my favorite character in the game. As soon as I get him he goes in my party for the rest of the game. He is a great assassin and very funny as well. He also ends up the most loyal of all (except for the dog).

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Depends on the character i'm playing. Human's don't take attempted murder too good, and kill him immediatly, my elves usually let him have his say before deciding his fate, unless they are of the "I've no time for such screw-up's" mind. Leliana's expression when slitting his throat is priceless :D

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No way would I kill him. He's no more after my hide then some others, and let's face it, Leliana is also more or less an ex-assassin.

Actually, as mentioned here, Zevran is the only one out of the 5 companions who try for your throat who has no personal motive. He wants out of the Crows, one way or another, and because his initial try failed, he picks the PC as an alternative way out.

All the PC has to do is be nice to him, and there need be no flirting/romancing either. Tell him bluntly that his advances are unwanted, and he'll drop it. After respeccing him, he's the best melee DW I've ever seen in an RPG of that kind.

To top it all off, aside from the dog, he's the most loyal of all companions, and the least judgmental. Unlike some others, his opinion can actually be swayed by the PC's arguments for a particular action. I haven't seen that yet with anyone else. You get a big frown (well, in a way) and a "so-and-so disapproves -5 to -20, even when their arguments border the idiotic.

His banter with the others is priceless, I especially like Wynne's and Oghren's. Even the ones with the dog are really funny. Love the line "I agree. Go, team. Hurrah."


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I like Zevran. I never killed him.

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My party:

A hebephrenic uneducated, street smart casteless brand who is developing into a schizophrenic casteless Grey Warden. 
A hidebound bigot who committed mass murder.
A Mabari War Dog that enjoys cleaning up.
An emotionally crippled wild child partiallly raised by wolves. 
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Re:  A dead mage on spiritual life-support - killed her spiritual life-support and all - she wasnt right in the head.

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Plus, if you take Sten with you to Haven BEFORE you complete 2 of the main story quests he proves just how dangerous he can be by challenging you to a duel to the death for the leadership of the party.  on what grounds?  He believes you incompetent of defeating the Dark Spawn.


Really?
Now I am even more impressed with him!  Willing to rise up against an obviously useless Grey Warden is an admirable talent.  He must have meticulously calculated  the days it took for you to wander to Haven and what a waste of time it would be to leave before completing the mission.
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Modifié par Kniva Knobbyknees, 02 janvier 2010 - 02:49 .


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I have to ask, why reload just to get a poxy achievement, can you not reply with a diff character to get said achievement?

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Maviarab wrote...

I have to ask, why reload just to get a poxy achievement, can you not reply with a diff character to get said achievement?


It's a long game, some quests are tedious, and people are impatient at times :P

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Maviarab wrote...

I have to ask, why reload just to get a poxy achievement, can you not reply with a diff character to get said achievement?


I don't play evil characters.  I don't like them, and I hate getting into that space in my head.  I'll do it when I write, but not when I'm trying to save the world, however fictional.