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[Trajan60]

This is in no way meant to attack anyone's faith but this is just a question posed out of curiosity. The question is how do creationists explain the existence of dinosaurs?

Modifié par Trajan60, 02 janvier 2010 - 01:48 .

[Humanoid_Taifun]

There are many different creationist explanations (and religions).



Still, waiting for lockdown.

[Trajan60]

Keep waiting.

[Borschtbeet]

I'll go ahead and answer that for you even though I'm not a creationist.
They believe dinosaurs existed a few thousand years ago which is of course completely nonsense since sediment and limestone layers allow paleontologists to date the fossils as many of millions of years old.

Creationists believe the universe is only about 6000 years old or so.
This of course can be disproven based on the fact that we can see stars in the sky that are millions of light years away and with powerful enough telescopes, even billions of light years away.

Now that I've answered your question, I advise for future reference that you refrain seeking any wisdom from creationists, they have absolutely none to offer. They're fools, and the sworn enemies of human intelligence.

If we're to learn anything about creationists, it should be ways to prevent them from further spreading their filth.

Modifié par Borschtbeet, 02 janvier 2010 - 02:05 .

[Skellimancer]

A wizard did it.

[Trajan60]

Borschtbeet wrote...

I'll go ahead and answer that for you even though I'm not a creationist.
They believe dinosaurs existed a few thousand years ago which is of course completely nonsense since sediment and limestone layers allow paleontologists to date the fossils as many of millions of years old.

Creationists believe the universe is only about 6000 years old or so.
This of course can be disproven based on the fact that we can see stars in the sky that are millions of light years away and with powerful enough telescopes, even billions of light years away.

Now that I've answered your question, I advise for future reference that you refrain seeking any wisdom from creationists, they have absolutely none to offer. They're fools, and the sworn enemies of human intelligence.

If we're to learn anything about creationists, it should be ways to prevent them from further spreading their filth.

To play devil's advocate I think the creationist rebuttal is that evolution, carbon dating and the fossil record are Satan's attempts to deny God and promote non-belief/atheism.

Modifié par Trajan60, 02 janvier 2010 - 02:09 .

[Trajan60]

Skellimancer wrote...

A wizard did it.

Gandalf or Saruman?

[Borschtbeet]

If creationists want to have a debate involving science, then they need to be held to the same standard that rational people are held to, such as using evidence to back up their arguments.

You want to challenge evolution? Go ahead, but you need to also provide evidence to back up that Noah not only existed, but also managed to create a boat that could house two of every animal on the entire planet, provide life support to keep them alive for fourty days to withstand a flood that covered the entire planet, something that wouldn't be possible even if both of the polar ice caps were to melt completely.

I refuse to debate creationists unless they agree to those terms. It's only fair.

You can't challenge my beliefs and then relieve yourself of all responsibility of defending your own.  You don't get a pass just because it's a religion.

Modifié par Borschtbeet, 02 janvier 2010 - 02:17 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

The Qu'ran mentions this:
"Has there not been over Man a long period of Time, when he was nothing - (not even) mentioned?"- Al-insan Verse

It says that there was a period of time when man was nothing and didn't even exist. The creation story states that God created Adam on the fifth day of creation. Most scholars that I have read, including scientists and scholars from the Islamic Golden Age period, say that the creation in 6 days is not literraly 6 days, but could in fact be 6 million or billions of years. A "day" on Earth is not the same as a "day" on another planet, let alone a "day" in the universe as a whole. Time for man doesn't have the same meaning as time for God. Remember that astronomy was highly developped during the golden age as well (many stars today have Arabic names, like Antares). So it was entirely possible that dinosaurs lived before Adam was created. Infact, the Qu'ran meantions beasts and their existence, some even strange ones, many times. And the fact that beasts are older than man.  

So, from the Islamic perspective, the fact that dinosaurs exist does not contradict the faith at all. Neither does evolution BTW. In fact, the first evolutionay theorists were Muslims like Ibn Khaldun and Al Jahiz (they both talked about survival of the fittest and the like), though they share differences with the Darwinian theory.

I have also read and heard about many Jewish rabbis who do not see the existance of dinosaurs as a contradiction to their faith.

So it really depends on what creationist religion you are talkign about.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 02 janvier 2010 - 02:29 .

[Borschtbeet]

You seem to make it out as if Islamists have a liberal viewpoint towards evolution. Why is it then that virtually every Islamic nation on the planet, both Suuni and Shia(with the possible exception of Turkey) outlaws the teaching of evolution?

[Endurium]

This will probably be locked because it violates Site Rules #7. Enjoy it while it lasts.

As to which magician; I always liked Arakon from IWD. Or at least his name.

Modifié par Endurium, 02 janvier 2010 - 02:33 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Borschtbeet wrote...

You seem to make it out as if Islamists have a liberal viewpoint towards evolution. Why is it then that virtually every Islamic nation on the planet, both Suuni and Shia(with the possible exception of Turkey) outlaws the teaching of evolution?

And where did I mention Islamists? I didn't even talk about them. I cited the Qu'ran and the teachings of the scholars and scientists of the Golden age. Most modern scholars I know hold a liberal viewpoint towards that subject. The few ignorant fools who don't, I don't care about.
And I was taught evolution in a Muslim country and it's not Turkey.  

[Borschtbeet]

Fair enough, but your interpretation of the Qu'ran and the teachings of such scholars certainly haven't enlightened most of your Muslim brethren.
When I said Muslim country, I meant nations whose governments consider themselves officially Islamic, not nations that have a muslim majority population.
Many central Asian countries of the former Soviet Union fall under this category but are not considered Islamic states. Those are not the nations I meant.

Modifié par Borschtbeet, 02 janvier 2010 - 02:42 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Borschtbeet wrote...

Fair enough, but your interpretation of the Qu'ran and the teachings of such scholars certainly haven't enlightened most of your Muslim brethren.
When I said Muslim country, I meant nations whose governments consider themselves officially Islamic, not nations that have a muslim majority country.
Many central Asian countries of the former Soviet Union fall under this category but are not considered Islamic states. Those are not the nations I meant.

Sadly, yes I realise that we are in a dark age. Where people argue about futile things as if they matter.

But I look on the Islamic Golden Age as a period where religion and science have coexisted, and proof that it can still coexist. At least when it comes to Islam. That's my opinion.   

[AntiChri5]

Borschtbeet wrote...

I'll go ahead and answer that for you even though I'm not a creationist.
They believe dinosaurs existed a few thousand years ago which is of course completely nonsense since sediment and limestone layers allow paleontologists to date the fossils as many of millions of years old.

Creationists believe the universe is only about 6000 years old or so.
This of course can be disproven based on the fact that we can see stars in the sky that are millions of light years away and with powerful enough telescopes, even billions of light years away.

Now that I've answered your question, I advise for future reference that you refrain seeking any wisdom from creationists, they have absolutely none to offer. They're fools, and the sworn enemies of human intelligence.

If we're to learn anything about creationists, it should be ways to prevent them from further spreading their filth.

I like you

[AntiChri5]

Borschtbeet wrote...

If creationists want to have a debate involving science, then they need to be held to the same standard that rational people are held to, such as using evidence to back up their arguments.

You want to challenge evolution? Go ahead, but you need to also provide evidence to back up that Noah not only existed, but also managed to create a boat that could house two of every animal on the entire planet, provide life support to keep them alive for fourty days to withstand a flood that covered the entire planet, something that wouldn't be possible even if both of the polar ice caps were to melt completely.

I refuse to debate creationists unless they agree to those terms. It's only fair.

You can't challenge my beliefs and then relieve yourself of all responsibility of defending your own.  You don't get a pass just because it's a religion.

I LIKE you

[AntiChri5]

Borch, will you be my friend?

[Borschtbeet]

Only if you agree to drink creationists blood and swear your life to eradicating the creationist's blight.

[LaztRezort]

Borschtbeet wrote...

If creationists want to have a debate involving science, then they need to be held to the same standard that rational people are held to, such as using evidence to back up their arguments.

Well, I don't know nothin' about no "Creationists," but we FSM-ites have our own theories along with the proper evidence.  At least, for global warming -- we haven't tackled the question of dinosaurs yet:

[Stanley Woo]

No religious threads, please. Thank you.



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