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[Chromie]

naughty99 wrote...
Witcher 2 is not a great indication of what games your PC can run. It's the most demanding, poorly optimized game I've ever played on my laptop. Witcher 2 is the only game I can't run at 1080p, even on lowest settings, but I can run Dishonored, Mass Effect 3, CS:GO, DOTA2, DA2, Skyrim, DXHR, Arkham City, etc., all at 1920x1080 with most settings completely maxed.

Poor indication or crummy laptop? No offense but none of the games you mentioned are demanding least of all Dota 2 and Mass Effect 3. Unreal Engine games have always been easy to max out. Games like Witcher 2, Metro 2033 and Crysis do need a great GPU to squeeze the most out of instead of a powerful CPU.

[Darth Death]

BouncyFrag wrote...

Darth Death wrote...

PC is already next gen. Now, what do I win?

Speaking for the dirty, console peasants, we were hoping no one brought that up.

I was expecting to win a knuckle sandwich, but this response is good.   

[naughty99]

Skelter192 wrote...

naughty99 wrote...
Witcher 2 is not a great indication of what games your PC can run. It's the most demanding, poorly optimized game I've ever played on my laptop. Witcher 2 is the only game I can't run at 1080p, even on lowest settings, but I can run Dishonored, Mass Effect 3, CS:GO, DOTA2, DA2, Skyrim, DXHR, Arkham City, etc., all at 1920x1080 with most settings completely maxed.

Poor indication or crummy laptop? No offense but none of the games you mentioned are demanding least of all Dota 2 and Mass Effect 3. Unreal Engine games have always been easy to max out. Games like Witcher 2, Metro 2033 and Crysis do need a great GPU to squeeze the most out of instead of a powerful CPU.

So those are the only three demanding games in the world? Never tried two of them and apart from Witcher 2, so far everything else runs great for me at 1080p, usually with most settings completely maxed.

My graphics card is the AMD 5830m, not a great card by any means, but if Witcher 2 is the only game I can't run at 1080p and everything else runs great, it's not quite incentive enough to buy a new laptop yet.

I suppose we'll see whether a new console generation results in PC games becoming more demanding, but personally I doubt it will have much impact. If anything, games seem to be becoming better optimized and less demanding these days, as new anti aliasing technologies are developed, etc.

Modifié par naughty99, 01 novembre 2012 - 09:24 .

[BouncyFrag]

Darth Death wrote...

BouncyFrag wrote...

Darth Death wrote...

PC is already next gen. Now, what do I win?

Speaking for the dirty, console peasants, we were hoping no one brought that up.

I was expecting to win a knuckle sandwich, but this response is good.   

I feel that I have betrayed my console brethren. Forgive me.

[LinksOcarina]

Skelter192 wrote...

naughty99 wrote...
Witcher 2 is not a great indication of what games your PC can run. It's the most demanding, poorly optimized game I've ever played on my laptop. Witcher 2 is the only game I can't run at 1080p, even on lowest settings, but I can run Dishonored, Mass Effect 3, CS:GO, DOTA2, DA2, Skyrim, DXHR, Arkham City, etc., all at 1920x1080 with most settings completely maxed.

Poor indication or crummy laptop? No offense but none of the games you mentioned are demanding least of all Dota 2 and Mass Effect 3. Unreal Engine games have always been easy to max out. Games like Witcher 2, Metro 2033 and Crysis do need a great GPU to squeeze the most out of instead of a powerful CPU.

To be fair, only Crysis actually looked good on the high end of the graphics department.

[DarkKnightHolmes]

Darth Death wrote...

PC is already next gen. Now, what do I win?

A half-arsed console port for your mighty PC, of course.

Modifié par DarkKnightHolmes, 01 novembre 2012 - 09:43 .

[Rpgfantasyplayer]

Naughty 99 thanks for talking to me about this. I just have to come to terms with the fact that if I want to play newer games on my PC then I have to buy a new. Shame since the one I am on still works great and I have no problems with it. I guess it is good that I have squeezed 7 years out of it. And this just happens to be a model that only has a few video card upgrades.

[Doctoglethorpe]

Asch Lavigne wrote...

Current and Nex-Gan is my guess. It would be stupid of them to abandon the current gen consoles and their users (who don't have a new one yet for whatever reason, or don't know which console they want yet, too early in the cycle to tell) just because the new ones came out. I mean there's no way DA3 would be a console seller. Plus, look how many games still came out for the PS2 after the PS3 came out. Them not making DA3 for the current gen would also kill their sales.

Why people don't get this is baffling.

Just because the game could be on next gen consoles doesn't mean it can't also be on current gen too.  This isn't going to be a generational leap like 2D to 3D where games couldn't exist across both platforms.  Next gen consoles will be able to play the same games as current gen does, it will just play them better.  It will be exactly like the difference in an xbox and a good gaming pc.  Same games, just higher resolution, better textures, better performance, etc.  The defining feature of the next gen won't be some huge leap in what games look like, but how they are controlled.  Motion control will be fully embraced.  The kinect beta that we have now (thats really all it is) will be refined into something actually worth a glance. 

I believe the next consoles will release next year, and I think DA3 will be on them AND on the current ones too.  The next gen releases may be a bit delayed though. 

[naughty99]

Doctor Moustache wrote...

Asch Lavigne wrote...

Current and Nex-Gan is my guess. It would be stupid of them to abandon the current gen consoles and their users (who don't have a new one yet for whatever reason, or don't know which console they want yet, too early in the cycle to tell) just because the new ones came out. I mean there's no way DA3 would be a console seller. Plus, look how many games still came out for the PS2 after the PS3 came out. Them not making DA3 for the current gen would also kill their sales.

Why people don't get this is baffling.

Just because the game could be on next gen consoles doesn't mean it can't also be on current gen too.  This isn't going to be a generational leap like 2D to 3D where games couldn't exist across both platforms.  Next gen consoles will be able to play the same games as current gen does, it will just play them better.  It will be exactly like the difference in an xbox and a good gaming pc.  Same games, just higher resolution, better textures, better performance, etc.  The defining feature of the next gen won't be some huge leap in what games look like, but how they are controlled.  Motion control will be fully embraced.  The kinect beta that we have now (thats really all it is) will be refined into something actually worth a glance. 

I believe the next consoles will release next year, and I think DA3 will be on them AND on the current ones too.  The next gen releases may be a bit delayed though. 

Anything is possible, but it seems to me MS and Sony would be pressuring all their third party publishers to give them lots of next gen launch titles that won't run on the old hardware.

If all the major AAA games released in Q4 2013 are available on both next gen and current gen, what's the incentive for the consumer to upgrade their hardware? They need lots of next gen titles to help drive hardware sales.

[Roflbox]

naughty99 wrote...
So those are the only three demanding games in the world? Never tried two of them and apart from Witcher 2, so far everything else runs great for me at 1080p, usually with most settings completely maxed.

I wouldn't say that but it's pretty obvious a game like Dota 2 isn't resource heavy. Unreal Engine games also don't take much to run hell you could prbably get a better framerate in ME2 than in ME1. Skyrim being demanding is because of the tired engine more than the graphics. 

Skyrim is CPU heavy compared to Witcher 2 which is GPU heavy understandably.

naughty99 wrote...
My graphics card is the AMD 5830m, not a great card by any means, but if Witcher 2 is the only game I can't run at 1080p and everything else runs great, it's not quite incentive enough to buy a new laptop yet. 

No but like I said Witcher 2 is very GPU heavy while Unreal Engine games like Arkham City or Mass Effect really have no problem. Just look at how much of a performance increase AC see's with a higher end CPU compared to a GPU most console ports tend to look like this with lazy ports often needing a strong CPU than GPU.


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naughty99 wrote...
I suppose we'll see whether a new console generation results in PC games becoming more demanding, but personally I doubt it will have much impact. If anything, games seem to be becoming better optimized and less demanding these days, as new anti aliasing technologies are developed, etc.

I think developers will just repeat what they have been doing make games that look graphically amazing at the start of the console generation like Watch Dog and eventually the PC will be so far ahead yet underutilized.

Modifié par Roflbox, 01 novembre 2012 - 10:24 .

[Emzamination]

The console bioware is releasing on has to be set in stone because they would be using said consoles Dev kit.I think it's pretty miffed that they would with-hold this information when it doesn't affect the game development or content in the slightest.

I'm not arguing their "show & don't tell" approach in regards to the game but with-holding this is just plain stupid, seeing as they have nothing to lose and much to gain from it, such as prepared consumers.

Anyways whichever generation they release on needs to be announced sooner rather than later.

[naughty99]

Emzamination wrote...

The console bioware is releasing on has to be set in stone because they would be using said consoles Dev kit.I think it's pretty miffed that they would with-hold this information when it doesn't affect the game development or content in the slightest.

I'm not arguing their "show & don't tell" approach in regards to the game but with-holding this is just plain stupid, seeing as they have nothing to lose and much to gain from it, such as prepared consumers.

Anyways whichever generation they release on needs to be announced sooner rather than later.

It might benefit consumers to know this, but from the perspective of the console manufacturers, it makes no sense to announce the launch dates this early. It would be a disaster for sales of the old consoles.

I imagine they will make the announcement as late as possible. Few consumers would buy one if they knew that just around the corner there will be a new model available and the old hardware will be heavily discounted.

Modifié par naughty99, 01 novembre 2012 - 11:23 .

[Doctoglethorpe]

naughty99 wrote...

Doctor Moustache wrote...

Asch Lavigne wrote...

Current and Nex-Gan is my guess. It would be stupid of them to abandon the current gen consoles and their users (who don't have a new one yet for whatever reason, or don't know which console they want yet, too early in the cycle to tell) just because the new ones came out. I mean there's no way DA3 would be a console seller. Plus, look how many games still came out for the PS2 after the PS3 came out. Them not making DA3 for the current gen would also kill their sales.

Why people don't get this is baffling.

Just because the game could be on next gen consoles doesn't mean it can't also be on current gen too.  This isn't going to be a generational leap like 2D to 3D where games couldn't exist across both platforms.  Next gen consoles will be able to play the same games as current gen does, it will just play them better.  It will be exactly like the difference in an xbox and a good gaming pc.  Same games, just higher resolution, better textures, better performance, etc.  The defining feature of the next gen won't be some huge leap in what games look like, but how they are controlled.  Motion control will be fully embraced.  The kinect beta that we have now (thats really all it is) will be refined into something actually worth a glance. 

I believe the next consoles will release next year, and I think DA3 will be on them AND on the current ones too.  The next gen releases may be a bit delayed though. 

Anything is possible, but it seems to me MS and Sony would be pressuring all their third party publishers to give them lots of next gen launch titles that won't run on the old hardware.

If all the major AAA games released in Q4 2013 are available on both next gen and current gen, what's the incentive for the consumer to upgrade their hardware? They need lots of next gen titles to help drive hardware sales.

Well sure but most of those next-gen exclusives tend to be new IP's and lesser franchises, not large well established ones. 

We already got Starwars 1313 and Watch Dogs announced.  There will be more to come.

Besides, a lot of people will elect to play the superior versions of games that come out on both consoles.  That sells new hardware too. 

And also keep in mind its EA were talking about in this case.  Theyhave a clear strategy of putting their games out on every possible platform they can to maximize market share.  Its would be against their nature to skip out on the current consoles until the new ones have well taken over, which will take a year or two. 

I mean its possible that they go pure next gen, but its highly unlikely. 

Modifié par Doctor Moustache, 02 novembre 2012 - 12:30 .

[Emzamination]

naughty99 wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

The console bioware is releasing on has to be set in stone because they would be using said consoles Dev kit.I think it's pretty miffed that they would with-hold this information when it doesn't affect the game development or content in the slightest.

I'm not arguing their "show & don't tell" approach in regards to the game but with-holding this is just plain stupid, seeing as they have nothing to lose and much to gain from it, such as prepared consumers.

Anyways whichever generation they release on needs to be announced sooner rather than later.

It might benefit consumers to know this, but from the perspective of the console manufacturers, it makes no sense to announce the launch dates this early. It would be a disaster for sales of the old consoles.

I imagine they will make the announcement as late as possible. Few consumers would buy one if they knew that just around the corner there will be a new model available and the old hardware will be heavily discounted.

But if the game turns out to be on current gen consoles, that wouldn't break sales, would it? If anything, I'd think that would increase sales.

[naughty99]

Emzamination wrote...

naughty99 wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

The console bioware is releasing on has to be set in stone because they would be using said consoles Dev kit.I think it's pretty miffed that they would with-hold this information when it doesn't affect the game development or content in the slightest.

I'm not arguing their "show & don't tell" approach in regards to the game but with-holding this is just plain stupid, seeing as they have nothing to lose and much to gain from it, such as prepared consumers.

Anyways whichever generation they release on needs to be announced sooner rather than later.

It might benefit consumers to know this, but from the perspective of the console manufacturers, it makes no sense to announce the launch dates this early. It would be a disaster for sales of the old consoles.

I imagine they will make the announcement as late as possible. Few consumers would buy one if they knew that just around the corner there will be a new model available and the old hardware will be heavily discounted.

But if the game turns out to be on current gen consoles, that wouldn't break sales, would it? If anything, I'd think that would increase sales.

I was referring to the hardware sales. I imagine any kind of official announcement this early that DA3 will be released on next gen consoles in 2013 would hurt sales of the current consoles.  (Obviously EA and all the other major publishers have signed non-disclosure agreements, so there won't be any such announcement until much closer to launch.)

Modifié par naughty99, 02 novembre 2012 - 03:00 .

[Gatt9]

Doctor Moustache wrote...

Asch Lavigne wrote...

Current and Nex-Gan is my guess. It would be stupid of them to abandon the current gen consoles and their users (who don't have a new one yet for whatever reason, or don't know which console they want yet, too early in the cycle to tell) just because the new ones came out. I mean there's no way DA3 would be a console seller. Plus, look how many games still came out for the PS2 after the PS3 came out. Them not making DA3 for the current gen would also kill their sales.

Why people don't get this is baffling.

Just because the game could be on next gen consoles doesn't mean it can't also be on current gen too.  This isn't going to be a generational leap like 2D to 3D where games couldn't exist across both platforms.  Next gen consoles will be able to play the same games as current gen does, it will just play them better.  It will be exactly like the difference in an xbox and a good gaming pc.  Same games, just higher resolution, better textures, better performance, etc.  The defining feature of the next gen won't be some huge leap in what games look like, but how they are controlled.  Motion control will be fully embraced.  The kinect beta that we have now (thats really all it is) will be refined into something actually worth a glance. 

I believe the next consoles will release next year, and I think DA3 will be on them AND on the current ones too.  The next gen releases may be a bit delayed though. 

Actually,  that's not accurate.

There've been a large number of technical advancements between when the 360 released,  and today,  that makes it an ocean of difference.  Just go through the feature list of the graphics cards from the GeForce 6 to today,  there's a sizeable number of features.  In fact,  the architectures are so significantly different that it would pretty much require the development of two engines just to support the older Consoles,  unlike the PC where the graphics cards are backwards compatible with the Consoles tech.


Further,  just the simple inclusion of any kind of physics precludes the ability to support current consoles.  What is accelerated on modern chips today,  or run through stream processors on modern chips,  would cripple a current gen console. 

Current gen consoles *are* the equivalent of 2D to 3D,  they predate Physics support,  as well as numerous graphics technologies.  If you doubt me,  just go download 3DMark,  and get a rough idea of what modern graphics cards are really able to output when running something not targeted at 7 year old hardware.

The defining feature of next gen consoles won't be anything.  Motion control is a gimmick,  a novelty,  it has no legs.  It's inherently limiting,  preventing you from executing many normal actions such as running in an FPS,  or even walking in one.  It works fine for something like Mario Party minigames,  or bowling,  but it falls apart rapidly when you try and implement any kind of significant gameplay.

EA will not target next generation consoles with Dragon Age 3.  DA2 sold pitifully,  next generation consoles will take a year or more to break 10 million installed users at best,  only a fraction of those users will buy DA3.  EA will not put that much money into releasing an already risky title to an installed base of ~10 million.  They'll target the established installed base of ~140 million,  since they need less than 2% of those people to buy it to exceed DA2's sales,  versus >20% of next gen owners.

Honestly,  I sincerely doubt the next gen consoles will survive.  The Publishers are too fragile to be able to release a game and wait years for ROI,  they *need* the percentage of sell through that comes from a huge installed base.  Without significant games,  the consoles won't sell.  Vicious circle area here.

That's before we even get into a discussion about how very high the failure rates will be,  or how crippled the next gen consoles will end up,  since there's going to be a massive problem trying to handle the power requirements of modern hardware in a console box,  and an even bigger problem trying to dissipate the heat from chips that are already known to exceed 50-60 degrees celcius in a well ventillated PC case.

Modifié par Gatt9, 02 novembre 2012 - 03:45 .

[Mello]

Whatever Im buying it on my PC anyways... so should anybody else who is butthurt about it being on the next gen.