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[obibenjedi]

PoetryAvenger wrote...

I mean no offense, but wasn't the majority of this argument also used against the Volus? Especially the part about their inclusion being a divisive point within the fanbase.

Yeah but volus aren't extinct so little bit more problematic with lore of the game. And I do hate it when games and  films contradict themselves( yeah I'm talking to you George Lucas)!

[Cyonan]

oO Stryfe Oo wrote...

It's what you'd need to explain the hundreds of thousands of Protheans across all three systems. Or did you think we'd get three and have the community share them?

At what point do they have hundreds of thousands of Asari Justicars?

Samara specifically mentions there is so little of them they probably wont survive the Reaper war.

[Chala]

It's MP... Lore is not a big deal on this place. So I support the idea of playing as a Sun Tzu with more eyes.

I really wish to see a Bioware dev come out and say: "Hey guys! We don't give a damn about lore in MP!" but sadly it won't happen.
So I guess that we will never have Protheans.

[Crimson Vanguard]

The BSN will explode with an Overlore

[Chala]

Crimson Vanguard wrote...

The BSN will explode with an Overlore

I'd like to see that.

[Father Superior]

Batarians are just reskinned Turians. Geth are just reskinned Quarians/Salarians. Quarians/Salarians are just reskinned Salarians/Quarians. Your argument is flawed on every level and your objections are founded in ignorance. Excluding the part about Javik (which has been proven to be more of a cop-out than the majority of theist arguments for the existence of a god), your entire post could have been used against the Volus, who are far more capable of breaking the suspension of disbelief than Protheans could ever be to a rational person.

If you don't want Protheans, that's fine. Just don't go around pretending that you have rational reasons for your opinion, because it is demonstrably clear that you do not.

[oO Stryfe Oo]

blasto lives wrote...

oO Stryfe Oo wrote...

It's what you'd need to explain the hundreds of thousands of Protheans across all three systems. Or did you think we'd get three and have the community share them?

You mean the same way we share maps as a community?  How many different instances of Firebase White are allowed at one time?  But White is just one location so how can different groups play the same map at the same time?

The same reason four Volus operatives can competently defend said area against hundreds of Cerberus forces? I'll get back to you when my answer doesn't involve "it's a game bound by the current hardware limits". As in, they can't render entire planets, have hundreds of players per match, etc.

Edit: Allow me to further explain what I meant by my comment: MP is supposed to be representative of what's happening in the Reaper War while Shep's doing his/her thing. For there to be Protheans in MP, they'd need an army to represent them. If they brought back two more Protheans and for some reason allowed them to be a playable kit in MP, how would you explain those same two Protheans being used simulataneously in different matches on different maps? How would you explain two of each Prothean in the same match? It'd be impossible without a great number of them available, which is part of the reason why we don't have characters like Jack or Samarra available as playable kits. We use faceless characters unimportant from SP from races/groups of large populations to avoid the above scenario.

Modifié par oO Stryfe Oo, 01 novembre 2012 - 04:49 .

[Amnesiotic]

ThatGuyThatPlaysThisGame wrote...

Multiplayer is already not lore friendly but people will claim putting multiplayer protheans would ruin Javik and his uniqueness.

Javik schmavik, he'll never be unique enough to make me break my "won't buy day one DLC" code.

[oO Stryfe Oo]

Cyonan wrote...

oO Stryfe Oo wrote...

It's what you'd need to explain the hundreds of thousands of Protheans across all three systems. Or did you think we'd get three and have the community share them?

At what point do they have hundreds of thousands of Asari Justicars?

Samara specifically mentions there is so little of them they probably wont survive the Reaper war.

Samara doesn't give a number, now does she? Nor do we know her version of "few". I see your point, but I think it's plausible that there are as many Justicars in the Galaxy as there are players of MP. For there to be Protheans in MP, there'd have to be a large number of them introduced into SP first.

[WhoaDuude]

Theres only one prothean so putting them into Mp would make 0 sense

[Major Durza]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

People who keep saying Javik is the last prothean period need to remember how goddamn big the galaxy is. Look at how the Leviathans hid away all those millions of years!

Anyway, seriously, Javik's story is only devalued if he ever runs into another prothean, which he clearly doesn't do during the course of ME3. He is still a very deep and sympathetic character regardless, and he won't magically stop being a tragic douchebag just because some goons over in the Terminus systems cracked open a few stasis pods.

Oh yeah, and let's not forget how many people wangsted about how Javik's presence devalued the prothean legacy, or how Legion robbed the geth of their alien mystique. Hell, I still think EDI's sexbot body was a stupid idea, but they went and did that, didn't they? At this point, screw it--I'll play as a frickin' unicorn if it's fun and kills Reapers.

This posh Krogan speaks the truth!  Trust the one with the scars and the monocle!

oO Stryfe Oo wrote...

But they're dead. Long dead. Bringing them back en masse to fight the enemy who killed them doesn't sound odd to you?

Same argument was used against collectors as an enemy.
Well the collectors were in Dark Space and came into the war at an undisclosed time in the middle of the Reaper War.

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Javik is my favorite ME3 squadmate, both for his character and story. I am a hardcore lore nerd, and when something contradictory happens I rage with the best of them. I understand what adds and subtracts weight to a narrative (in fact, most of my threads in the SP forum involve me fussing about the narrative in one way or another).

But multiplayer is SUPPOSED to be stupid fun. I just spent three hours defending pumpkins from robo-zombies whilst splashing through acid rain puddles in my shiny pink armor.

Bring on the goddamned Protheans.

Again, the monocled one speaks the truth!

DavorTheDragon wrote...

Whenever I see discussions on lore and MP in BSN, I always think about the Battlefield 3 Soldier.

Explain that one!
Well, maybe a really, really odd merc.

JusticarFlareon wrote...

Seifer006 wrote...

curious question......

what's the point of Collectors in MP? What's the story behind it?

because I'm still wondering about this

Reaper reinforcements.

As I said, they were in dark space with the Reapers and were deployed en-masse after them!
Yet somehow the mahjority of their units are made of human husks (Praetorians, Scions, and Abominations)


If the Collectors have been in Dark Space since the end of the Prothean Cycle, where did all their other units come from?

Yea, not sure Bioware is giving too much of a hell about consisent, believable lore.

SPACE MAGIC, that is all.

[Epique Phael767]

I wish they would either just add them already or outright sa no just so these threads will stop reappearing.

[corporal doody]

ThatGuyThatPlaysThisGame wrote...

Multiplayer is already not lore friendly but people will claim putting multiplayer protheans would ruin Javik and his uniqueness.

what about the MP makes it "NOT LORE FRIENDLY"?


and you better not say pumpkins....cuz they aint got pumpkins in the future?

[alhamel94]

javik is an absolute a**h*** anyways, i would be relieved if he dies and we got much more suitable protheans. NOBODY MAKES LIARA CRY AND GETS AWAY WITH IT

[Major Durza]

corporal doody wrote...

ThatGuyThatPlaysThisGame wrote...

Multiplayer is already not lore friendly but people will claim putting multiplayer protheans would ruin Javik and his uniqueness.

what about the MP makes it "NOT LORE FRIENDLY"?


and you better not say pumpkins....cuz they aint got pumpkins in the future?

Where to start?

Battlefield 3 Soldier.

4 Volus holding off a Cerberus strike team.
The Collectors (look at previous post)
Bioware's explanation for the Collectors (Doesn't say why Human Husks have been in Dark Space since the end of the Prothean Cycle)
In Bronze and Silver, why a husk is a "priority target".
You can get up shortly after getting impaled by a Banshee hand with no injury.

The list goes on.

[Morrowcet]

I'm open to whoever's actually in charge of creative decision making switching off BioWare's ARTISTIC INTEGRITY to make MP a separate continuity from SP (like how BF3 has like four different timelines for the campaign, co-op, multiplayer and novel). It'll take a timeline divergence of about 0.75 Hendersons before I accept more real, live Protheans as opposed to fake/dead ones.

Modifié par Morrowcet, 01 novembre 2012 - 05:37 .

[corporal doody]

Major Durza wrote...

corporal doody wrote...

ThatGuyThatPlaysThisGame wrote...

Multiplayer is already not lore friendly but people will claim putting multiplayer protheans would ruin Javik and his uniqueness.

what about the MP makes it "NOT LORE FRIENDLY"?


and you better not say pumpkins....cuz they aint got pumpkins in the future?

Where to start?

Battlefield 3 Soldier.

4 Volus holding off a Cerberus strike team.
The Collectors (look at previous post)
Bioware's explanation for the Collectors (Doesn't say why Human Husks have been in Dark Space since the end of the Prothean Cycle)
In Bronze and Silver, why a husk is a "priority target".
You can get up shortly after getting impaled by a Banshee hand with no injury.

The list goes on.

BF3=promo suit that is explained by pressing a button when you have the cursor over it. IT is a suit.

4 volus badasses you mean?  non-issue.

So the Reapers decided to put all their eggs in one basket (aka the Collector base)? dont think so.

The Collectors had husks in ME2...they probably got them the same way....swiping up humans and huskifying them



the last two arent lore issues.

[corporal doody]

lightsnow13 wrote...

They could just release a DLC called "Clone of the protheans"

I'm sure cloning process would be perfected in their timeline.

if my memory is correct...EDI stated that prothean DNA was too complicated to clone. some argue that they could just use Javik's DNA......do you honestly believe he would allow that?


clone the Krogans in ME1...bad!
clone the Krogans in ME2....bad.....cept for one.
clone Protheans in ME3MP....FOR THE GREATER GOOD!!

[AdmiralCheez]

To be honest, I kinda wanna roleplay as Javik and troll all the asari players.

I AM YOUR GOD, BLUE ONE. YOU SHOULD BE WORSHIPING ME.

CRY MORE ABOUT YOUR HOMEWORLD.

SORRY, I CAN'T HEAR YOU OVER THE SOUND OF ME CRUSHING ALL YOUR DREAMS.

[Pedro Costa]

corporal doody wrote...
clone the Krogans in ME1...bad!
clone the Krogans in ME2....bad.....cept for one.
clone Protheans in ME3MP....FOR THE GREATER GOOD!!

Is that really any worse than:
Silly Saren, organics and synthetics aren't suppose to become one
BAM SYNTHESIS
Silly TIM, you should help us defeat the Reapers, not subjugate them
BAM CONTROL
Silly Javik, you and your hypothesis that our cycle stood a chance because we were diverse
BAM LAST 15 MINUTES OF THE GAME

[corporal doody]

DarkLord_PT wrote...

corporal doody wrote...
clone the Krogans in ME1...bad!
clone the Krogans in ME2....bad.....cept for one.
clone Protheans in ME3MP....FOR THE GREATER GOOD!!

Is that really any worse than:
Silly Saren, organics and synthetics aren't suppose to become one
BAM SYNTHESIS
Silly TIM, you should help us defeat the Reapers, not subjugate them
BAM CONTROL
Silly Javik, you and your hypothesis that our cycle stood a chance because we were diverse
BAM LAST 15 MINUTES OF THE GAME

soooo.....you mad at the original "endings" .....question mark?  

what that got to do with the moral and ethical issues of cloning and the apparent "coolness" with it so long as they are on our side?

that is assuming they get past that entire dna issue and find the facilities with the material and logisitics to actually clone



edit: ah...i see what you mean. they used subpar writing before...they can do it again for the protheans and ME3MP?   they fixed the ending with EC. they can fix the cloning thing by excluding it.

Modifié par corporal doody, 01 novembre 2012 - 06:15 .

[DullahansXMark]

Father Superior wrote...

Batarians are just reskinned Turians. Geth are just reskinned Quarians/Salarians. Quarians/Salarians are just reskinned Salarians/Quarians. Your argument is flawed on every level and your objections are founded in ignorance. Excluding the part about Javik (which has been proven to be more of a cop-out than the majority of theist arguments for the existence of a god), your entire post could have been used against the Volus, who are far more capable of breaking the suspension of disbelief than Protheans could ever be to a rational person.

If you don't want Protheans, that's fine. Just don't go around pretending that you have rational reasons for your opinion, because it is demonstrably clear that you do not.

And yet you provide no tangible evidence to back your own claim...