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[Chala]

Rynocerous wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Javik is my favorite ME3 squadmate, both for his character and story. I am a hardcore lore nerd, and when something contradictory happens I rage with the best of them. I understand what adds and subtracts weight to a narrative (in fact, most of my threads in the SP forum involve me fussing about the narrative in one way or another).

But multiplayer is SUPPOSED to be stupid fun. I just spent three hours defending pumpkins from robo-zombies whilst splashing through acid rain puddles in my shiny pink armor.

Bring on the goddamned Protheans.

You, sir or ma'am, are now my hero.

I believe this human is Female, so ma'am is the correct word.

[Cloaking_Thane]

It would bother me slightly more than it would not bother me, like 55/45. I wouldn't throw a huge hissy fit or something though.

[akimboDEEZ]

What was that. lore says i cant have a new character. well screw lore then It wont bother me at all since they are TWO SEPARATE MODES! seriously Why should anyone care. Neither side is not even mentioned in either mode.oh but wait hackett sends a Email. THAT NOBODY CARES ABOUT! there is no link. Its like being in a VR simulator and saying you have years of experience...as someone else.

[akimboDEEZ]

*Double post*

Modifié par akimboDEEZ, 01 novembre 2012 - 03:25 .

[Lt RedTide]

Cyonan wrote...

Do the multiplayer Protheans at least call everybody primitives, including their teammates?

Them not doing that would be more of an outrage than the lore thing, honestly.

Hah, now that would be something to hear. I still laugh everytime I hear the Turian Havoc or Ghost call a teammate an "amateur." Suppose one of them were to be revived by a primitive, would he say something like: "You've repayed your debt."?

Modifié par Lt RedTide, 01 novembre 2012 - 03:51 .

[Eclispe]

I dont mind if they dont get put in mutiplayer or if they do thats amazing its the fact that the people who want to experience the feel of a prothean in the mist of battle (Minus to make my particle rifle look and feel better ) but most of use who want a prothean have stood by people who want the Batguard i myself as a massive fan of Vanguards never wanted him because he is to sluggish and his punch takes two weeks but i was happy to say yes because other people wanted him. its a fictional futuristic game BW could easily change the Lore and anything about to warp him into it if they wanted. THE PEOPLE NEED A PROTHEAN !

[Mace2277]

Well almost everyone tends to forget when Javik was put into stasis, there were other protheans in stasis, and they said they MAY have to be sacrificed to ensure that Javik (The commander at the time) would survive until the next cycle, so if it's written well it could always be some more protheans after Javik were uncovered.

[Sabbatine]

ThatGuyThatPlaysThisGame wrote...

Multiplayer is already not lore friendly but people will claim putting multiplayer protheans would ruin Javik and his uniqueness.

Those same people complained that Javik ruined the uniqueness of Protheans.

[Dezerte]

The lore has been manhandled quite a bit already, so at this point I say "Why not?".

[Father Superior]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

You really need to learn what "refute" means.

All of that will hurt Javik's character or plain contradict canon. Clone Javik? At what point of the story did that happen and why did Javik not mention it? Why even give that speech about being the last voice of the Protheans when he knows full well that he isn't?

Same with any other situation that finds enough Protheans to put them straight into front line war. Why does Javik never mention this? It's not like this massive piece of information would just be completely ignored by the news, the Normandy, a Prothean expert who has spent half her life researching them/the Shadow Broker.

The reason I, and many others, don't want Protheans is the same reason I don't want playable unicorns that shoot magic. Maybe you don't care about lore, especially single player lore, but a lot of us here do.

Wow. You really lack the ability of reading comprehension. Once again, I'm forced to spoonfeed information to people who are apparently incapable of deciphering it on their own. I have addressed literally all of your petty complaints in the thread already, but apparently you're not able to recognize your overused "arguments:.

Javik's character traits and opinions are not set in stone, nor are they determined by you. Unless you are in charge of writing Javik's interactions with the ME universe, you are not in the position to tell me what is and is not possible for him to feel/decide, nor how he feels about a certain concept/situation. You can say that it is unlikely, but you cannot say that it is impossible. For you to say that Protheans being added to MP contradicts canon showcases a severe case of narrow-mindedness and stubborness.

Javik does not mention Prothean remnants or clones during his time with Shepard; Starchild didn't reference the Leviathans until that piece of content was released. Just because it is not included yet does not mean that it is not possible to integrate. If it was to be integrated, it could easily be used to reinvent and improve Javik's story. Javik was originally intended to rise from the ashes of the first Prothean Empire and wipe out the Reapers; an appropriate task for an Avatar of Vengeance. Because of circumstances that we are all familiar with, he was unable to complete his task and instead serves as the "'last' voice of the Protheans". If given the opportunity, whether by cloning or by finding a malfunctioning stasis facility (both of these ideas are addressed in the thread, which I highly doubt that you actually read), Javik could potentially complete his original task, overcoming enormous adversity and fufilling his role as an Avatar of Vengeance in a way that would be incredibly uplifting and triumphant in the world of literature/story-telling. Just because you perceive his role as the 'last' of his kind does not make that his role indefinitely. If his story were to be updated in this way, Javik's character could be vastly improved.

You stuck to your guns with the false assumption that Javik's current dialogue is all that can exist. It is entirely possible to give him more in DLC and address the new remnants/clones. The same is true for characters like Liara, and don't give me that BS about the news not addressing it. The most attention that was given to Javik, the supposed 'last' of his kind, was a group of three people on the Citadel who went up and asked him. If that's all the attention the last of his kind gets, it is justifiable for a small group of Protheans to not make an massive stir as well. Also, what leads you to believe that there needs to be anything more than a small group of Protheans? The Justicars and Battlemasters are a scarce breed, but there are apparently enough to earn them a rare card. There would only need to be around 100 or so for the Protheans to earn an UR card, maybe less.

There are a lot of things that you got wrong in your post, but this last part was what really made me pity your blatant misunderstanding of the situation. You claim to care about lore (as well as insinuating that there are "many" who don't want Protheans, a false claim when you take a look at the polls, surveys, and threads), but it is clear that you do not. If you truly cared about the lore, you would want it to expand, to grow, to develop into something greater than it is now. Instead, you constrict it with your stubborn insistance that you are the main authority on all things Mass Effect and shoot down anything that does not conform to your short-sighted view of the ME universe. I actually care about the lore; instead of jumping in with the crowd that just wants Protheans for the sake of having fun (which is totally fine, I have no beef with them), I devote my spare time to showing narrow-minded bigots like you that you are far too strict with your view of the ME lore and explaining in detail how it is possible for the lore to continue to grow and prosper by allowing Protheans to come to MP (among other things). The fact that you have the gall to claim that I don't care about the lore and that you are somehow superior in your stubbornness is both deliciously ironic and depressing. I pity you and your people, but I will not allow your constant spew of BS to go unchallenged.

[RasenRebirth]

Nissun wrote...

I'm interested in what pro-prothean people think about the idea of adding Krogan and Salarian females to multiplayer, or what their stance on the Volus was/is.

I'm pro Prothean. I hated the idea of the Volus, but once I saw what they did with them I liked it.  I always hoped they'ed add females of the other races.  I know we get to see a female Turian in the Omega DLC coming up.

[Scam_poo]

People are still discussing this?

Face it, there won't be any new dlc in a while. No Protheans for the next 2+ months. And even with that, I still doubt it's gonna happen.

[Eclispe]

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4 volus badasses you mean?  non-issue. 



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No such thing as a Volus badass the lore does state the Volus are S*** in combat Adept or not they do NOT Have the physical strength to do it Amps or not even in the single player with the toxic waste he was a blubbering ball of fat and astma there Fleet is ment to be extremly strong and if you wondering about "Who protects there planet BLA BLA BLA"
They pay the Turians to help protect them they have a shared fleet it is in the story line as a side quest telling you about how the volus work and operate and there no such thing as a Volus merc the hire other merc bands because there one of the Richest races in the galaxy so hence the are only Traders and stuff to do with money. I would belive there is more chance of a prothean helping the war effort than a Volus beating a strike team. <_<

[Yate]

don't add protheans

if you want protheans in the game you are stupid

[Father Superior]

Yate wrote...

don't add protheans

if you want protheans in the game you are stupid

About two weeks ago, my grandmother passed away from conditions brought on by Alzheimer's.

She could have written a more eloquent and coherent argument on her deathbed than the horrible excuse for one you posted.

[Dunabar]

One good Geth = People now want to play Geth.

One living Javik = People now want to play as Protheans

Next thing that will happen is that there will be one Yahg that doesn't kill everyone and everyone will want one three times more.

The cycle continues....oh well, everyone has their opinion. I wish Javik was never added and the Protheans were just dead as dead can be for good, this way we could of avoided all of this "We want to play Protheans!" or 'We want to play a defector of the enemy faction!' - You already got your Ex-Cerberus and your Geth. We don't need anymore "defector's" than those two, nor do we need Protheans. Let Javik be the only one, call it good, and push for more game modes. Only my opinion in a sea of many opinions

Modifié par Dunabar, 02 novembre 2012 - 04:29 .

[R0gueSp3ctre18]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Javik is my favorite ME3 squadmate, both for his character and story. I am a hardcore lore nerd, and when something contradictory happens I rage with the best of them. I understand what adds and subtracts weight to a narrative (in fact, most of my threads in the SP forum involve me fussing about the narrative in one way or another).

But multiplayer is SUPPOSED to be stupid fun. I just spent three hours defending pumpkins from robo-zombies whilst splashing through acid rain puddles in my shiny pink armor.

Bring on the goddamned Protheans.

This. I agree with your viewpoint on the lore vs. MP. I also did this, pink Geth Infiltrator. Haha.

Modifié par blackproject18, 02 novembre 2012 - 02:00 .

[Comandr NUMSKUL]

If Bioware can adhere to lore, make them unique, and make them rare (maybe only available in commendation packs?) then it should make most people happy. It will also add more variety, which is good.

[Swahili Playboy]

Ever since Javik I was disappointed in the protheans and thoght they were boring.

[Comandr NUMSKUL]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Father Superior wrote...

DullahansXMark wrote...

Father Superior wrote...

Batarians are just reskinned Turians. Geth are just reskinned Quarians/Salarians. Quarians/Salarians are just reskinned Salarians/Quarians. Your argument is flawed on every level and your objections are founded in ignorance. Excluding the part about Javik (which has been proven to be more of a cop-out than the majority of theist arguments for the existence of a god), your entire post could have been used against the Volus, who are far more capable of breaking the suspension of disbelief than Protheans could ever be to a rational person.

If you don't want Protheans, that's fine. Just don't go around pretending that you have rational reasons for your opinion, because it is demonstrably clear that you do not.

And yet you provide no tangible evidence to back your own claim...

http://social.biowar.../index/13665128

There it is. 11 pages that refute the majority (if not all) of anti-Prothean arguments. I've posted that link in far too many threads already and it was late when I posted last night, so I forgot to include it.

You really need to learn what "refute" means.

All of that will hurt Javik's character or plain contradict canon. Clone Javik? At what point of the story did that happen and why did Javik not mention it? Why even give that speech about being the last voice of the Protheans when he knows full well that he isn't?

Same with any other situation that finds enough Protheans to put them straight into front line war. Why does Javik never mention this? It's not like this massive piece of information would just be completely ignored by the news, the Normandy, a Prothean expert who has spent half her life researching them/the Shadow Broker.

The reason I, and many others, don't want Protheans is the same reason I don't want playable unicorns that shoot magic. Maybe you don't care about lore, especially single player lore, but a lot of us here do.

I honestly can't see the Alliance wasting valuable resources cloning an extinct race, but if there was a garrison of soldiers in reserve somewhere, they would definately jump at the chance to recruit them.

I also think that when Javik said he was"the last voice of the Protheans", he was referring to the fact that he was an "exemplar of vengeance". If there was just a small group of Protheans discovered (like 10 or less) they would not have enough numbers for a stable population in the future. They would not be able to reestablish their "dominant" culture, but they would relish the thought of taking vengeance on the Reaper forces.

The Prothean Empire was much more expansive than the current cycle. To say there are absolutely no surviving Protheans in stasis is, quite frankly, ridiculous (just look at Leviathan).

But, then again, my opinion is based entirely on me wanting Protheans in MP.

[vivanto]

I stopped playing MP a good while ago (before Earth) only to give it another go just recently. Seeing all the intuitive new classes and characters, even if I wouldn't give a damn about Javiks running around, it would just look cheap and half-assed compared to the N7s and Turian Havocs.

I'd rather they try and come up with new things than just porting stuff from the SP - assuming there's even gonna be more MP characters.