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[Solmanian]

Not now, obviously. But when the time comes for the game launch. Instinctively, your response is probably: YES!

However, from a dev perspective it's a realy bad idea... Demoes generaly suffer from a bad case of missrepresenting their games. Sometimes they make games look better than they are, but often make them look worse.
The fact is 9 out of 10 cases, demoes hurt game sales. They lose the people who hated the demo. And they also a large chunk of the people who liked the demo so much they played it again and again, until they got tired of the game before even buying it.

Lets face it, most times demoes kill the suspence: the "craving" for a highly enticipated game.

ME1&DA:O didn't have demoes. BG&NWN didn't have demoes. ME2 demo came long after release.

Is a DA3 demo rely is a must have? Maybe the ME2 option is better if at all?

I'm not making an opinion, just putting out points for consideration. What's your thoguht on the matter?

[sylvanaerie]

Well, I loved Origins, but I didn't know/care about it till my friend got it for Christmas that year and he talked me into making a character to try it out (HN, I managed to finish the 'origin' story). After playing his game, I went to Gamestop and picked me up a copy.

I had no desire to play DA2 after seeing poster boy Hawke. But the demo gave me enough to whet my appetite, and I wanted more.

SWTOR: my friend got that for Christmas, came over with it on his laptop. I hate the movies. I've seen/enjoyed the first one. He let me make a Jedi Consular to try it out, I did enough to get me off the 'origin' world and I wanted that too, got it digitally downloaded the next day, and I LOVE the game.

For me, demos actually give me a feel for the game and prompt me to buy it. So I'm all for 'bring on the demo'!

[grey_wind]

I only tried out ME2 because of the demo.

And I honestly think the number of fans you lose because of demoes is far lower compared to the number who'll actually buy your game because they had a chance to try it out briefly before investing $60 into a relatively unkown product.

[Face of Evil]

Extra Credits did an episode recently about demos. The argument they made is that, from a developer's perspective, there's rarely any point to release demos as they tend to hurt more than they help.

[Althix]

yes demo is needed.

either way i will see this game before buying it, so why bother with torrents if i can evaluate the game by demo?

[Maria Caliban]

Solmanian wrote...

The fact is 9 out of 10 cases, demoes hurt game sales.

I'll take: 'Facts fans pull out of their butts' for $500, Alex.

Face of Evil wrote...

Extra Credits did an episode recently about demos. The argument they made is that, from a developer's perspective, there's rarely any point to release demos as they tend to hurt more than they help.

And the funny thing is that at the end they listed a bunch of demos which they said totally weren't demos but helped sales while allowing the consumer to 'try before you buy.'

The Walking Dead releases episode 1 for free, generates a strong word of mouth, and does well when episode 2 comes out. How is that not a demo?

World of Warcraft lets you play to level 10 (or is it 20?) and then you have to subscribe if you want the full game. That sounds like a demo to me.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 01 novembre 2012 - 07:11 .

[Hey]

I have no idea what your talking about.

[Fredward]

No. Since it would probably increase whining and "I'M NOT PRE-ORDERING/BUYING THIS GAME!" talk exponentially and no one needs to hear more of that.

[Iron_JG]

I think Bioware, and DA, are sufficiently well known that a demo isn't necessary. Many people will be sold on DA3 from previews, trailers and other parts of the hype machine, aside from just enjoying DAO and DA2 and wanting more DA. Others, I think, won't be sold on DA3 until they've read full reviews and know more about the end game. Whether already sold or skeptical, I don't think they'll be swayed by a demo. I would also imagine it also creates a significant headache in terms of snagging up development, requiring more marketing, and potentially coming out before sufficient polish has been done.

[elfdwarf]

no, because it cause leaks spread

[Direwolf0294]

As long as they don't include unlocks for the game, or some other BioWare or EA game, from playing the demo than I don't see any reason why they shouldn't have one. I almost never play demos because I don't want to spoil the game for myself, which is why I hate it when they include unlocks for the full game in the demo.

[SilentK]

I enjoyed playing around with the DAII and the ME3-demos. Hoping that there will be one for DAIII. Playing around with the character creator and just getting a little sample of the story, I love it.

[Althix]

and Bioware also known for DA2 game Iron_JG. And DA2 demo saved me 60$. But ME3 demo actually motivated me to buy it.

[Iron_JG]

Hence my point about people predisposed to buy vs. skeptics. The DA franchise, I mean, is sufficiently well known, IMO, that a demo won't sway many people one way or another. Would your purchase or non-purchase of DA3 not also be influenced by previews, reviews, etc.? I tend to feel RPGs and aRPGs can't really be appreciated until you can get to end-game. A demo wouldn't have told you about DA2 recycling maps or having a somewhat abrupt ending. Reviews likely did.

If the game's good, people will find out without a demo.

[bleetman]

I support anything that gives consumers more information to judge their purchase decision on.

Of course, that requires demos to be both accurate representations, and portrayed as accurate representations rather than sweeping any following concerns under the rug by claiming "oh, it'll be different in the end release" when it isn't different at all.

I'm looking at you still, Mass Effect 3 demo.

[Eveangaline]

Why not? It will be a good way to interest people and assuage the fears of those who would be too quick to judge it by da2

[Althix]

Iron_JG people will find out that game is good how? By reviews? By feedbacks? And why should i listen to bunch of uknowns and their opinions about the game? Am i not good enough to form my own opinion on my own experience with a game and decide is this particular product worth the money?

Modifié par secretsandlies, 01 novembre 2012 - 07:48 .

[Firky]

I think demos for expensive AAAs are really good. Having said that, I think it needs to reflect the most final build. Balancing issues etc, in a demo are bad.

PS. Also. If you consider DA2 pre and post patches, I'd imagine the demo is quite different to what you'd be buying now. That's what I mean. But, I have no idea if you can/would patch demos.

Modifié par Firky, 01 novembre 2012 - 07:51 .

[kirvingtwo]

Yes, only if the demo doesn't require installation of the Origin client.

[Iron_JG]

secretsandlies wrote...

Iron_JG people will find out that game is good how? By reviews? By feedbacks? And why should i listen to bunch of uknowns and their opinions about the game? Am i not good enough to form my own opinion on my own experience with a game and decide is this particular product worth the money?

Of course you should make up your own mind. I feel that a demo, because it is by nature a tiny portion of the game, doesn't adequately inform about whether a game is good. Reviews and feedback from people who have played the entire game, then, tell you things you can't know from a demo. First-hand experience, while desirable, isn't helpful if it's too limited. You didn't answer my question. Has the feedback on DA2 been wrong, in your view? Did no one else discuss your concerns with the game, whatever they were?

That being said, you and I place different weights on the importance of demos. To each his own. I'm not opposed to a demo, provided it doesn't take a lot of resources to put out there.  

[Althix]

I have no idea what feedback DA2 received in general. I simply canceled preorder after 7 minutes of gameplay because of combat system. I don't like hack and slash. I bought the game however after 2 years after release. With 90% off discount. And you know what? Game is horrible with some good things however.

Looking at review scores now 9/10, 4 stars, 94% on major magazines such as pc gamer, ign etc. So their opinions and judgements are completely opposite to mine.

BSN forums... well take a look at ME3 forums, s**t storm still rages about endings, users calls a game bad simply because of last 10 minutes of gameplay. I like ME3, i like it's combat system, character development, armor and weapons upgrades. Game IS good in my opinion and worth buying. If i would listen to fans feedbacks about this game, there would be no purchase of this product.

So to put it simple i don't care about other people opinions about game and how should one play it. Because i don't trust people to be a good players enough to listen their opinions and thoughts.

Modifié par secretsandlies, 01 novembre 2012 - 08:50 .

[EpicBoot2daFace]

Of course it should get a demo. I wish all games had demos. Not like the Dead Space demo, though. God, that was terrible. It actually kept me from buying the game for the longest time.

Modifié par EpicBoot2daFace, 01 novembre 2012 - 09:16 .

[Cylan Cooper]

Yes please, I'd like a demo.

And all the spoilers that come with it when intrepid fans realize half the game is already in the files of a half hour long demo.

[L. Han]

Obviously yes.