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[Herr Uhl]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

I see no benefit in having one.

Though, just to be difficult, my DA2 canon is that Hawke was a serial killer who murdered his own mother, and then blew up the Chantry as misdirection. He never met Fenris or Isabela, he didn't ever deliver Flemeth's locket to the Dalish, and he employed Varric to tell Cassandra a largely fictional tale.

Seems kind of needlessly convoluted to cover up a murder by killing people.

[Mummy22kids]

Mystch3vi0us wrote...

Elfman wrote...

Mystch3vi0us wrote...

Alister is dead, Morigan is dead (oooh I stabbed her good), Leliana and my warden hooked up and fought for elf rights. Hawke killed Anders and Issabella ran away.

Ahh, now did you see Morrigan actually die? Oh noes, you saw her fall into the Eluvian. Morrigan'll be alive, just a tiny bit angry. You know, just average, run of the mill apocalypse-causing angry.

Mini apocalypse pffft. I've been there done that the t-shirt is somewhere in the bottom of my closet.  Besides, I have no qualms about killing her again and again and again.  There are no words to quantify my hatred and loathing for that self serving, evil, uncaring, worthless, traiterous, ARGH I hate her.

But... But... what about her speech after you battle Flemeth??? Her sad eyes and saying she found in me a friend and a sister, how coudl you not soften to that?

[Potato Cat]

Mr_Steph wrote...

I have 6 different ones...which one I'll use first I have no idea about.

Wait how do you side with Petrice? I HAVE TO MAKE A 7TH RUN NOW!!!!!

Simples, just be aggressive in Act 2 and when the Templar and his fanatic mob is torturing the poor Qunari, side with him and then Petrice won't be killed.

[TheBlackAdder13]

Used Irving and the Circle of Magi to depossess Connor without murderng him or Isolde 
Did not anull the Circle (obviously) 
Had Zathrian undo the curse 
Spared Avernus/Killed Sophia Dryden
Destroyed the anvil of the void/Caridan then killed himself/Killed Branka 
Made Harrowmont king (oops) 
Perserved the Urn of Sacred Ashes and killed the high dragon guarding them but also sent Genitivi home for his safety so the ashes disappeared 
Made Alistair king after Anora betrayed us at the Landsmeet - Alistair dueled Loghain and then executed him 
Romanced Leliana but told her to leave at Redcliffe before the final battle on the grounds that my city elf wanted her to be safe (evidently they never got back together )
Refused the dark ritual
Let Alistair make the ultimate sacrifice for me and therefore Anora became queen
Became bann of the alienage
Saved Amaranthine
Killed the architect (god my warden was such a freakin goody-two shoes) 
Stabbed Morrigan 
Bethany became a circle mage and presumably is the only companion still with my Hawke after they fled from the Gallows due to siding with the mages
Anders was Hawke's boyfriend but Hawke stabbed him after he blew up the chantry

Modifié par TheBlackAdder13, 02 novembre 2012 - 12:09 .

[Mummy22kids]

I never hand over Isabela or Fenris either.

[Gilsa]

My canon is a dwarf noble who said no to the dark ritual. The perspective you gain from playing a particular race is wildly different from another (different motivations, reasons, etc) and this was my first unspoiled playthrough. The darkspawn were running amok in the Deep Roads, destroying the civilization of my people because they danced to the tune of the archdemon. I really did not see Morrigan's argument for recyling the soul of an archdemon when it could just be delaying the inevitable. All archdemons had to die (five down, two to go). It was a pragmatic decision. And then add in Morrigan's inability to share her reasons for wanting the soul -- something didn't feel right. And then there was her desperate argument about Loghain getting the accolades if he were to be the one to slay the demon. I didn't see why a dwarf who spent her life underground would care what humans thought, much less who got credit. (The whole Landsmeet was a bore since there was no personal investment in the outcome for a dwarf, although a vastly different experience for a Cousland though since they can get a personal crown out of it). I don't know what the writers intended, but Morrigan came across as trying to be a puppeteer to further her own goals and we parted ways from there.

My dwarf noble tracked her down in Witch Hunt in the aftermath to see what her reasons for wanting the archdemon's soul -- it was dead so nothing to lose in the sharing, no? Hah. And then considering how deceptive and sneaky Morrigan had been to acquire the mirror for her personal use, to save her own skin, my dwarf did not want her to access the mirror at all. It was not Morrigan's place to take it. If there was an option to break the mirror, I would have done so no one could have it, period. Waving at Morrigan and wishing her best luck was not an option either so my dwarf decided to stand between her and the mirror only to be treated to one of the worst cutscenes ever (it's like stepping on a kitten or something) like she was some crazed killer. I don't love the plot armor that Morrigan has, but at least my dwarf tried to do something, y'know? No regrets.

And I don't really know of any decisions that Hawke makes that would be relevant in future games. She was a mage so I sided with the mages, but other than that, I don't recall particulars.

[Ash Wind]

Human Noble Origin:  Hardened Alistair King with Anora; Loghain Dead; Let Flemeth Go; Werewolves Curse Lifted; Anvil of the Void destroyed; PC Killed Archdemon; performed Dark Ritual; Hardened Leliana; Nathaniel Howe lives; Architect Lives; Saved Amaranthine;

DA2: Bethany lives and is a Grey Warden; Hawke and Isabel are together; Anders lives; Sided with Mages.

Modifié par Ash Wind, 01 novembre 2012 - 11:48 .

[Potato Cat]

Mummy22kids wrote...

Mystch3vi0us wrote...

Elfman wrote...

Mystch3vi0us wrote...

Alister is dead, Morigan is dead (oooh I stabbed her good), Leliana and my warden hooked up and fought for elf rights. Hawke killed Anders and Issabella ran away.

Ahh, now did you see Morrigan actually die? Oh noes, you saw her fall into the Eluvian. Morrigan'll be alive, just a tiny bit angry. You know, just average, run of the mill apocalypse-causing angry.

Mini apocalypse pffft. I've been there done that the t-shirt is somewhere in the bottom of my closet.  Besides, I have no qualms about killing her again and again and again.  There are no words to quantify my hatred and loathing for that self serving, evil, uncaring, worthless, traiterous, ARGH I hate her.

But... But... what about her speech after you battle Flemeth??? Her sad eyes and saying she found in me a friend and a sister, how coudl you not soften to that?

Not just that, lovely Morrigan bits all the way through. And that comic depicting the cut cutscene between her and Alistair wrestling with the decison to propose the DR. She's lovely, the meaness is just all the sexy Kate Mulgrew influence over her in her childhood. Not real Morrigan. She's secretly all sunshine, lollipops and rainbows everywhere you know

[Sylvius the Mad]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

I see no benefit in having one.

Though, just to be difficult, my DA2 canon is that Hawke was a serial killer who murdered his own mother, and then blew up the Chantry as misdirection. He never met Fenris or Isabela, he didn't ever deliver Flemeth's locket to the Dalish, and he employed Varric to tell Cassandra a largely fictional tale.

Seems kind of needlessly convoluted to cover up a murder by killing people.

Yes, but then they'll think Hawke was motivated by politics or even a hatred of the Chantry, when in fact he was merely harvesting subjects for his magical research (like Avernus did in DAO).

[LinksOcarina]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

I see no benefit in having one.

Though, just to be difficult, my DA2 canon is that Hawke was a serial killer who murdered his own mother, and then blew up the Chantry as misdirection. He never met Fenris or Isabela, he didn't ever deliver Flemeth's locket to the Dalish, and he employed Varric to tell Cassandra a largely fictional tale.

Seems kind of needlessly convoluted to cover up a murder by killing people.

Yes, but then they'll think Hawke was motivated by politics or even a hatred of the Chantry, when in fact he was merely harvesting subjects for his magical research (like Avernus did in DAO).

So he killed his own mother? 

Or was Quentin a copycat?

[Shadow Fox]

FemHawke and Elf Wardens are my waifus.

Modifié par Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke, 01 novembre 2012 - 11:54 .

[heyakate]

in DAO and DAA: dalish elf origin, romanced zevran, did the dark ritual, saved amaranthine, let the architect live, let morrigan go through the mirror.

in DA2: mage hawke, romanced anders, kept anders alive, carver became a grey warden, sided with the mages in the final battle.

Modifié par heyakate, 01 novembre 2012 - 11:55 .

[Potato Cat]

Just realised I haven't actually posted my canon.
Female City Elf, romanced King Alistair and stayed as his mistress, saved Connor and Isolde, (was going to have her killed, but Jowan never showed up to propose it, must have been a bug), sided with Zathrian and killed the werewolves, crowned Bhelen King and destroyed the Anvil, (for Shale who I just got as DLC! Yay!), saved the Circle, killed Loghain and left Anora to do, whatever she does when she's not Queen. DA:A, is difficult, if I do play it, I'll save Amaranthine and side with the Architect. Thinking I'll let Morrigan just go through, (not played WH yet, so excited for it).

DA2, keeping Petrice alive, Carver is a Templar, and siding with the mages. Can't decide whether to romance and then kill Anders, or Sebastien and then spare Anders. Ideas? I'm thinking Seb might return in a future game and I'd prefer him to be available as an LI, I'm not just mean.

[Fast Jimmy]

I preserved the Anvil nearly every chance I get. The chance to actually put a dent in the Darkspawn and press them back is no-brainer. How long until Orzammar is swallowed by the Darkspawn? How long after that will they be roaming on the Surface, even before a Blight? Surfaces would have no chance. Bolstering the dwarves is the key to the world not being swallowed by death.

Morrigan is as shifty as the sands, but I'd like to see where her plots are heading towards. She doesn't want to destroy the world, clearly, and while she doesn't exactly care about individuals, she isn't malicious or pure evil. So I do the Dark Ritual and give her the mirror gladly every time. Too much knowledge has been lost to the dredge of time - its good to see someone rediscovering old magic rather than stewing in a Circle or hiding from the Templars.

Free the Circle, every time. Only times I didn't were just to see the cutscenes.

Anything I can do to help out the Elves, I do. As is, they serve no purpose other than being the pond scum of Thedas' cities or the hippies of their forests. Time for them to have a civilization of their own again and determine their own fate.

Save the Ashes. Instant healing on tap... why mess with that?

Architect... I'm torn on this, but I make the deal. Mostly because killing him is such a plot destroyer. He is, as it turns out, the primary antagonist of all DA:O in a very intriguing way. He doesn't value human life all that much... but I don't value Darkspawn life all that much either, so I can't blame him. Regardless, I want to see more of him and his crazy ways, so I'm hoping they make him a canon survivor, or retcon him alive like Leliana.

Anita and Allistair as rulers. And Bhelen as king. Mostly because he allows the casteless to do something with their existence... even if that something is to be cannon fodder for the Darkspawn or sacrifices for the Anvil. Better than their rotting existence in Dust Town, hands down. And much more useful.

My canon origin would be, hands down, a Mage. For both my Warden and my Hawke.

Furthermore, in headcanon land, my Warden spent his remaining days rebuilding the Ferelden Warden's forces, focusing on teaching the martial and monk-devoted ways of the Arcane Warrior to Mage Wardens, creating a small army of cloistered battle mages. Because he's a freaking pimp like that.

[WardenWade]

Elfman wrote...

As I am currently in the process of going through DA:O and DA2, (debating whether or not to put myself through the good times with Anders and play DA:A again for the possibility of a Velanna cameo only to meet the "other" Anders in DA2), and making my own definitive canon, I am interested to know if others have done/are doing this too and their decisions, specifically the Dark Ritual, because let's face it, it was probably the biggest decision of the series and possibly, (if done right), a real game changer in the whole Flemeth/Morrigan conflict.

Personally, I'm going for a mix of "good" and "bad" decisions so DA3 is as interesting as possible and full of cool characters, (I know I'm keeping Petrice alive this time ), while both the Warden and Hawke aren't atrociously evil.

I'm pro-Dark Ritual by the way, can't bring myself to let Alistair die for me, (or die for him, I've just realised .)

Great question, Elfman!   I go with a city elf rogue named Wade *points at avatar* who saves the mages, Connor (did not defile ashes), persuades Zathrian to end the Dalish curse and sides with Harrowmont, allying with Branka and preserving the Anvil (to Shale's chagrin).  He sides with Avernus in Warden's Keep and drinks the potion, chooses not to slay Flemeth but does slay the High Dragon and saves the elves in the alienage (cleansing the orphanage as well).  Zevran is recruited and remains with the Wardens.  Wade and Alistair give Cailan a respectful funeral at Ostagar.  Romancing a hardened Leliana (Marjolaine lived), he persuades Alistair (unhardened) to perform the Dark Ritual but slays the archdemon himself, just in case... 

Anora rules alone and Alistair remains with his comrades in the Wardens, Wade having slain Loghain and Howe.  Shianni becomes the first elven Bann of the alienage.  In Awakening, as Commander of the Grey he sides with the Architect, rebuilds the Vigil and its defenses and befriends his fellow Wardens successfully.  Amaranthine and the Messenger are spared.  He aids Jerrick Dace at Amgarrak, and in Witch Hunt he bids Morrigan farewell and walks away with a mysterious item...

His current whereabouts are unknown, but Leliana will never stop searching until she finds him...

Modifié par WardenWade, 03 novembre 2012 - 02:30 .

[WardenWade]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

I preserved the Anvil nearly every chance I get. The chance to actually put a dent in the Darkspawn and press them back is no-brainer. How long until Orzammar is swallowed by the Darkspawn? How long after that will they be roaming on the Surface, even before a Blight? Surfaces would have no chance. Bolstering the dwarves is the key to the world not being swallowed by death.

Morrigan is as shifty as the sands, but I'd like to see where her plots are heading towards. She doesn't want to destroy the world, clearly, and while she doesn't exactly care about individuals, she isn't malicious or pure evil. So I do the Dark Ritual and give her the mirror gladly every time. Too much knowledge has been lost to the dredge of time - its good to see someone rediscovering old magic rather than stewing in a Circle or hiding from the Templars.

Free the Circle, every time. Only times I didn't were just to see the cutscenes.

Anything I can do to help out the Elves, I do. As is, they serve no purpose other than being the pond scum of Thedas' cities or the hippies of their forests. Time for them to have a civilization of their own again and determine their own fate.

Save the Ashes. Instant healing on tap... why mess with that?

Architect... I'm torn on this, but I make the deal. Mostly because killing him is such a plot destroyer. He is, as it turns out, the primary antagonist of all DA:O in a very intriguing way. He doesn't value human life all that much... but I don't value Darkspawn life all that much either, so I can't blame him. Regardless, I want to see more of him and his crazy ways, so I'm hoping they make him a canon survivor, or retcon him alive like Leliana.

Anita and Allistair as rulers. And Bhelen as king. Mostly because he allows the casteless to do something with their existence... even if that something is to be cannon fodder for the Darkspawn or sacrifices for the Anvil. Better than their rotting existence in Dust Town, hands down. And much more useful.

My canon origin would be, hands down, a Mage. For both my Warden and my Hawke.

Furthermore, in headcanon land, my Warden spent his remaining days rebuilding the Ferelden Warden's forces, focusing on teaching the martial and monk-devoted ways of the Arcane Warrior to Mage Wardens, creating a small army of cloistered battle mages. Because he's a freaking pimp like that.

Great thoughts, Fast Jimmy!  And great headcanon

[Shadow Fox]

Oh and Velanna,Athenril,Leliana and fem Shep are harem slaves.


Seriously though:

Female City Elf Assassin/Bard/Shadow DW:

recriueted everyone save Loghain and did their quests
romanced Alistair
saved the circle and got they're help to deal with Conner.
Cured the werewolves
sided with Bhelen and destroyed the Anvil
Put Anora on the throne
spared Avernus
did the DR

Awakening:

recruieted everyone and did they're quests
saved the city
killed both the Darkspawn leaders

[Fast Jimmy]

Great thoughts, Fast Jimmy!  And great headcanon

Thanks! I had a strong desire to make sure the soul of the Arcane Warrior was not destroyed in vain. Only be passing on the knowledge he gave would we make his tortured existence worthwhile.

[WardenWade]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Great thoughts, Fast Jimmy!  And great headcanon

Thanks! I had a strong desire to make sure the soul of the Arcane Warrior was not destroyed in vain. Only be passing on the knowledge he gave would we make his tortured existence worthwhile.

I agree!  I always wondered what became of the soul's memories after the phylactery was tapped...hopefully they do live on in the Warden (even a non-mage Warden), especially as they teach others the arcane warrior specialization.

[Mr_Steph]

Elfman wrote...

Mr_Steph wrote...

I have 6 different ones...which one I'll use first I have no idea about.

Wait how do you side with Petrice? I HAVE TO MAKE A 7TH RUN NOW!!!!!

Simples, just be aggressive in Act 2 and when the Templar and his fanatic mob is torturing the poor Qunari, side with him and then Petrice won't be killed.

Thank you

The one I was purely aggressive in was a anti qunari one

[Mystch3vi0us]

Elfman wrote...

Mummy22kids wrote...

Mystch3vi0us wrote...

Elfman wrote...

Mystch3vi0us wrote...

Alister is dead, Morigan is dead (oooh I stabbed her good), Leliana and my warden hooked up and fought for elf rights. Hawke killed Anders and Issabella ran away.

Ahh, now did you see Morrigan actually die? Oh noes, you saw her fall into the Eluvian. Morrigan'll be alive, just a tiny bit angry. You know, just average, run of the mill apocalypse-causing angry.

Mini apocalypse pffft. I've been there done that the t-shirt is somewhere in the bottom of my closet.  Besides, I have no qualms about killing her again and again and again.  There are no words to quantify my hatred and loathing for that self serving, evil, uncaring, worthless, traiterous, ARGH I hate her.

But... But... what about her speech after you battle Flemeth??? Her sad eyes and saying she found in me a friend and a sister, how coudl you not soften to that?

Not just that, lovely Morrigan bits all the way through. And that comic depicting the cut cutscene between her and Alistair wrestling with the decison to propose the DR. She's lovely, the meaness is just all the sexy Kate Mulgrew influence over her in her childhood. Not real Morrigan. She's secretly all sunshine, lollipops and rainbows everywhere you know

depending on my playthrough she either demeans my woman or won't stop talking isht about my man.  She is fundamentally evil (it's a writing inconsistancy that her non camp conversations are irrationally evil while in camp she's "a real person" (spits on Morigan's grave mirror).  Oh lets not forget that at the end of the game after trying to force herself on you/Alister she gives you the finger before the final fight and runs off. 

"Well fine if you won't let me have the demon god child then I'm just going to leave and let the blight kill you." 

Did I mention that I hate her? 

[goofyomnivore]

I usually would say my Amell is the closest thing I have to a canon for Origins, but my last Cousland playthrough has really grown on me.

He pretty much just did what he thought was the most efficient/least path of resistance.

Saved Redcliffe; Killed Connor (didn't want to leave him alone after just saving the village; and didn't trust the blood mage)
Saved the mages (cleared the tower anyways, might as well use em)
Didn't kill the dragon; Didn't defile the ashes (thought the cultists were crazy so just killed them anyways)
Killed the werewolves (I have a treaty with the elves not the dogs)
Preserved the Anvil; Crowned Bhelen (Golems are quite useful and Bhelen appeared to be the better ruler)

Denerim, he supported a marriage between Alistair and Anora. He had already defeated the slaver, so killed him anyways. Conscripted Loghain after defeating him a duel.

Post Landsmeet; Didn't want to create more variables; the old recipe had worked the first four Blights. Denied Morrigan her godchild and allowed Loghain to be a hero.

DLC
Warden's Keep: Told Avernus to continue research (ethically though)
Ostagar: Left Cailan's body for the wolves
Stone Prisoner: Recruited Shale

Companions
Killed Zevran after interrogating him
Killed Shale when she sided with Cariden
Left Sten in the cage
Denied Oghren's help
Alistair left after not accepting Loghain as a warden
Morrigan left after denying her ritual
Final party included: Leliana, Wynne and Loghain

Romance
Had snu snu with Morrigan (no wuv though)
Snu snu with Isabela

I haven't done Awakening on him yet.

I'm thinking of pairing him with a female pro-mage Hawke who romances Anders, who is all about going out of their way to help mages and throw dirt on the Chantry/Templars.

[TMZuk]

Hard choice, I've had some funny playthroughs of DA:O.

My favourite playthrough was my female human noble.

Romanced Zevran.
Killed Wynne.
Saved the Circle.
Saved Connor and Isolde.
Jowan executed.
Ashes intact.
Kolgrim dead.
Flemeth alive.
Werewolves saved.
Oghren as party member.
Shale alive.
Anvil destroyed.
Discarded Zevran for Alistair.
Performed Dark Ritual.
Queen of Ferelden.

DA:A I played with an Orlesian warden.

Killed the Architect and the Broodmother.
( Letting the architect live was IMO the most stupid choice ever, considering how darkspawn breed. Should the Warden allow them to keep capturing women to turn into broodmothers? )

DA2 I was unable to finish.

Modifié par TMZuk, 02 novembre 2012 - 03:37 .

[Conniving_Eagle]

I haven't decided yet. Either the Warden dies or Loghain redeems himself and the Warden leaves. Hawke lets Anders live, sides with the Mages and leaves with Isabela.