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[alhamel94]

i would like to add when i play gi piranha with my normal team we beat gold, when im not we wipe wave 6 or 7

[alhamel94]

whateverman7 wrote...

alhamel94 wrote...

and that cloak nerf you keep talking about, that downright killed all infiltrators didnt it, nope it brought them to a reasonable level. still the best class because cloak still allows to get a massive damage bonus gives great survivabiluty and lets you tote big heavy weapons. tactical cloak is still the best power in the game, if something is nerfed and is still the best how can you say it was undeserved?

i never said it killed infils, where are you getting that from?...not once have i said it hurt anything...it was just an example of things being nerfed cause of popularity...the OP is the one that thinks things get nerfed cause they're overpowered....he thinks that's what's gonna happen with the q marksman...i disagreed with that, and have been stating why...

also, tc is not the best power nor are infils the best characters/class...the only thing they do best is allow people to play the game like it's non co-op, that's it....

which is the easiest and fastest way to beat the game... also if you think people always stay together unless they use an infiltrator you are dead wrong

[alhamel94]

whats better than tc please inform me

[Shrakelle]

Lol sabotage, skip. Doesn't synergize & cooldown will interfere with other powers.

[Marauder-Shields]

Just tell Bioware that they have a Geth RIGHT BEHIND THEM.

[whateverman7]

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

people were scoring  80k with the falcon on bronze on launch day
geth infiltrators are still ridiculous, but now acceptable in comparison to other classes
if you think the krysae was just "popular" you werent paying attention. that debacle shouldnt even require details.
3 out of every 4 people that dont know how to take cover were using soft cover pirahna GI
tactical cloak just made a person choose between being a damagedealer or a utility.
 they were all great decisions.

so score determines if something is overpowered?...if that's the case, everything in this game is overpowered....cause getting high scores is more based on how you play, the team with you, and how they play....

i've played this game over 600 hours, 90% or more have been public games with other randoms, and i havent seen the gi, pirahna, krysae (before nerf), nor any other weapon/character that was considered overpowered/game breaking being used a lot....if they were like you say, wouldnt i have seen them more?...

[alhamel94]

whateverman7 wrote...

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

people were scoring  80k with the falcon on bronze on launch day
geth infiltrators are still ridiculous, but now acceptable in comparison to other classes
if you think the krysae was just "popular" you werent paying attention. that debacle shouldnt even require details.
3 out of every 4 people that dont know how to take cover were using soft cover pirahna GI
tactical cloak just made a person choose between being a damagedealer or a utility.
 they were all great decisions.

so score determines if something is overpowered?...if that's the case, everything in this game is overpowered....cause getting high scores is more based on how you play, the team with you, and how they play....

i've played this game over 600 hours, 90% or more have been public games with other randoms, and i havent seen the gi, pirahna, krysae (before nerf), nor any other weapon/character that was considered overpowered/game breaking being used a lot....if they were like you say, wouldnt i have seen them more?...

if they werent as popular as he says according to you bw would not nerf them

[Arppis]

RoZh2400 wrote...

Sabotage is the 3rd power. LOL at cooldowns. The Quarian will be a real soldier: All guns, no powers. Hahahahha.

So you will not give him any points in anything but Fitness and Training? :3

And sabotage is engineer powa, right? Tac scan could easily work as soldier power.

[darkpassenger2342]

whateverman7 wrote...

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

people were scoring  80k with the falcon on bronze on launch day
geth infiltrators are still ridiculous, but now acceptable in comparison to other classes
if you think the krysae was just "popular" you werent paying attention. that debacle shouldnt even require details.
3 out of every 4 people that dont know how to take cover were using soft cover pirahna GI
tactical cloak just made a person choose between being a damagedealer or a utility.
 they were all great decisions.

so score determines if something is overpowered?...if that's the case, everything in this game is overpowered....cause getting high scores is more based on how you play, the team with you, and how they play....

i've played this game over 600 hours, 90% or more have been public games with other randoms, and i havent seen the gi, pirahna, krysae (before nerf), nor any other weapon/character that was considered overpowered/game breaking being used a lot....if they were like you say, wouldnt i have seen them more?...

 you took the lone score example I posted out of context.
yes score is irrelevant, but it shoukdnt even be possible to get 80k o n bronze...
 imagine what the scores of the other 3 people looked  like.
 btw, the 2 highlighted statements completely contradict each other..
 you are just being modest, didnt play gold then, or dont look at peoples builds.

Modifié par darkpassenger2342, 02 novembre 2012 - 07:24 .

[whateverman7]

Cyonan wrote...

They did not say they nerf because it is popular.

They said they look into it to see why it is popular. Something being incredibly popular in a game usually says something about it, which 99 times out of 100 it's going to be the same thing.

(spoiler alert: It isn't that the class has far more enjoyable mechanics than any other class)

they looked into things cause they were popular...which lead them to nerfing things cause something had to be 'unbalanced'...that means they made changes based on popularity...you and others can try to make it not seem so, but they've said themselves that's why they did it....

[Curzyfish]

whateverman7 wrote...

Cyonan wrote...

They did not say they nerf because it is popular.

They said they look into it to see why it is popular. Something being incredibly popular in a game usually says something about it, which 99 times out of 100 it's going to be the same thing.

(spoiler alert: It isn't that the class has far more enjoyable mechanics than any other class)

they looked into things cause they were popular...which lead them to nerfing things cause something had to be 'unbalanced'...that means they made changes based on popularity...you and others can try to make it not seem so, but they've said themselves that's why they did it....

So why were these things popular?  Might it have been something to do with one of the nerfed powers giving (and still does give) the largest damage boost in the game? Something to do with an aoe weapon that required no aim and ignored shield gate?  I don't know why in the world these things would have been "popular."  Obviously they were trash and were never used.

Modifié par Curzyfish, 02 novembre 2012 - 07:30 .

[alhamel94]

whateverman7 wrote...

Cyonan wrote...

They did not say they nerf because it is popular.

They said they look into it to see why it is popular. Something being incredibly popular in a game usually says something about it, which 99 times out of 100 it's going to be the same thing.

(spoiler alert: It isn't that the class has far more enjoyable mechanics than any other class)

they looked into things cause they were popular...which lead them to nerfing things cause something had to be 'unbalanced'...that means they made changes based on popularity...you and others can try to make it not seem so, but they've said themselves that's why they did it....

NO that is why they look into balance changes not the reason they exist

[Cyonan]

whateverman7 wrote...

Cyonan wrote...

They did not say they nerf because it is popular.

They said they look into it to see why it is popular. Something being incredibly popular in a game usually says something about it, which 99 times out of 100 it's going to be the same thing.

(spoiler alert: It isn't that the class has far more enjoyable mechanics than any other class)

they looked into things cause they were popular...which lead them to nerfing things cause something had to be 'unbalanced'...that means they made changes based on popularity...you and others can try to make it not seem so, but they've said themselves that's why they did it....

"They nerfed it because it's popular" is not the same as "They looked into it because it's popular and ended up nerfing it".

It doesn't matter how many times you try to tell us that it is, it's not the same thing.

[whateverman7]

alhamel94 wrote...

pray tell what power(s) do you believe are better than cloak, what character has as much dps as a GI, never said piranha is the best, said it is still very very good. and lets be honest how many people actually took the hawk missle launcher. compared to dm and multi frag?

before i start let me say: there is no best in the game...everything has pros/cons, so what people like better boils down to preference....

as for powers: i prefer nades, dark channel, warp, overload, incen, and reave over cloak....

as for GI: that's a myth based off high scores....hate to break it to people, but you can get just as high scores with other characters in the game....

i took hawk missle day 1....i took that and nades over dm...i put points in dm and i use it, but i dont like how slow it makes you move...

do these choices make me a bad player? if you say so...

[darkpassenger2342]

way to compare powers objectively, using words like prefer and listing ranged powers.

Modifié par darkpassenger2342, 02 novembre 2012 - 07:39 .

[whateverman7]

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

its unfortunate that the krysae and infiltrator and geth had to all be op at the same time, but if you dont think people werent using infiltrators to beat gold before platinum existed because it was easy you are being intentionally oblivious. They simply COULD NOT extract without using tc as a crutch for objectives.
since then, every player is obligated to participate instead of jsut expecting someone to do it for them.
many of those same players of that figure i obviously made up are STILL silver players.

none of those things were overpowered though...when used together, they were very strong, but when they werent, they werent as strong....

i never denied they helped make the game a lil easier, but there are a bunch of other things in the game besides those that make the game easier....also, that points to signs about about player skill, not that things were overpowered...

using tc for objectives wasnt a crutch, it was smart....which you can still do...cause you can pick duration over damage, but a lot dont do that...

i know you made it, but i didnt make up the 32%...that came from bw's mouth....also, how can you dictate what level of difficulty others can play?...

Modifié par whateverman7, 02 novembre 2012 - 08:14 .

[D Wrecks]

[whateverman7]

alhamel94 wrote...

i would like to add when i play gi piranha with my normal team we beat gold, when im not we wipe wave 6 or 7

what does that prove?...beating gold is based more on team play, rather then character used....

[darkpassenger2342]

i didnt dictate it, bioware did, and justifiably so..
if things worked the way you say they do they wouldnt have been changed.

Modifié par darkpassenger2342, 02 novembre 2012 - 07:48 .

[whateverman7]

alhamel94 wrote...

which is the easiest and fastest way to beat the game... also if you think people always stay together unless they use an infiltrator you are dead wrong

not really...the easiest, fastest way to beat the game get a good team that knows how to work together...

no, i dont think that....but people playing as infils (also vanguards) tend to run off by themselves more than other characters/classes

[whateverman7]

alhamel94 wrote...

if they werent as popular as he says according to you bw would not nerf them

let me get this straight, are you asking me if they werent as popular, do i think bw would have nerfed them?...no, i dont...

[bogsters23]

i do not think TS+marksman is going to be overpowered. we already have TS+TC on the qmi and that kit has arc grenades.  i want that new quarian i wished they made it a female one. :innocent:

Modifié par bogsters23, 02 novembre 2012 - 08:01 .

[whateverman7]

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

 you took the lone score example I posted out of context. 
yes score is irrelevant, but it shoukdnt even be possible to get 80k o n bronze...
 imagine what the scores of the other 3 people looked  like.
 btw, the 2 highlighted statements completely contradict each other..
 you are just being modest, didnt play gold then, or dont look at peoples builds.

how did i take it out of context?...you posted an example of how something was overpowered based off score, and i disagreed

getting 80 k on bronze is very possible...all you have to do is play aggressive and/or have a bad team

how did they contradict each other?...i said i play a lot, yet i havent seen the so called overpowered things being used a lot....

i've played gold for awhile now....i glance at other's builds in the lobby, but you can tell what they using as the game is going....

Modifié par whateverman7, 02 novembre 2012 - 08:01 .

[darkpassenger2342]

whateverman7 wrote...

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

 you took the lone score example I posted out of context. 
yes score is irrelevant, but it shoukdnt even be possible to get 80k o n bronze...
 imagine what the scores of the other 3 people looked  like.
 btw, the 2 highlighted statements completely contradict each other..
 you are just being modest, didnt play gold then, or dont look at peoples builds.

how did i take it out of context?...you posted an example of how something was overpowered based off score, and i disagreed

getting 80 k on bronze is very possible...all you have to do is play aggressive and/or have a bad team

how did they contradict each other?...i said i play a lot, yet i havent seen the so called overpowered things being used a lot....

i've played gold for awhile now....i glance at other's builds in the lobby, but you can tell what they using as the game is going....

"All you need is a bad team"
what the hell is that?
 score 80k on bronze with 3 squadmates and post it here. Then ill listen to your silly reasoning.

Modifié par darkpassenger2342, 02 novembre 2012 - 08:09 .