I have seen that the N7 day is coming and what i want to do is to create this forum and share some of my thoughts regarding ME- franchise as a whole, the best moments and the lowest. the peak and its lowmark
ME1: When i played this game for the first time i thought that it was just a ordinary SiFi game with a basic story line with unlimited action. that was not the case here.
ME1 was one of the Best games i have ever played, the story RPG was increadably gripping and wonderful. The enviroments and the galaxys peoples relations between eachother was amazing. You fight against one enemy but then realize that there was another enemy behind this. The reapers, machines responsible for Mass exterminations during course of history.
The enemy was after much information a fearsome enemy, that sees organics as vermin that needs to be crushed.
The conversation with one of the reapers on virmire, Sovereign. was brilliantly made. there is what created the image of how the reapers are like.
the characters in the game, party members, NPC and so on are well made. the conversations with them are excellent. You form attachments to this characters. and some of them you could even romance, and the romance conversations were great.
Final thoughts of ME1 is that the game is close to perfect and the thing that is more than that is you could import your choices to the next game and continue your journey and see your choices have an effect.
ME2:
WOW, just WOW.
There is no single fault in that game, i haven´t found a single one, well done casey and well done all you people on Bioware. this is a game that truly put ME in the history books and also was about to take the first place of all SiFi games even movies.
The beginning of the game was good because it allowed players to get used to the new gameplay and the new power system.
This game is truly blessed.
New gripping missions, new and old characters, excellent story telling.and your decisions from the previous ME1 came back in dialouge with old character and some characters from ME1 appeared. you even got letters from certain people that you meet in ME1. you could even stick to your LI from ME1 or find a new one.
You still continue to fight against the reapers, and their new henchmen the collecters who is controlled by the oldest and the most powerfullest reaper of them all.
Harbinger: here is a reaper that is the ultimate enemy, ruthless, disregard for all organic life and has a personall anger against shepard. A confrantaions seemed inevitable
When ME2 gameplay seemed perfect bioware decided to drop DLC:s that offered more mission and weapons. They were also great, perfect for getting more information about hte ME3 universe.
when the arrival DLC was released it was going to be a bridge between ME2 and ME3, it they succeded with that. In the last sequence you have a conversation with Harbinger and seemed to be a build up confratation in ME3.
afterwards you relize that your decision in arrival led you back to earth.
This is what i have to say so far, im going to take a short break then i come back and write about ME3.
Meanwhile share your thoughts as i have done
Share your experience and emotions about ME3, for the upcoming N7 day
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Sure, have mine.
Obviously, my short "review" will be biased. I started playing the series in 2008, with ME1 for PC.
Mass Effect
I loved the game. I dunno how often I started another one and tried new stuff. My main Shepards are usually paragon or mostly paragon since the renegade line never offered me anything worth acting like a jerk. Some big decisions had been hefty, 'though, like the one dealing with the Rachni Queen. Without metagaming (aka knowing how things turn out), I'd still have issues with that decision.
Another big decision was Virmire - and, since it didn't come with a moralty question, it was one of those very few decisions I could do freely on my own. Needless to say I had to leave poor Kaidan with the bomb
...
ME did a lot right, but also did some stuff wrong. For example the looting system: it was a leftover of other RPGs of that time and one of those things I really didn't like. I think the influence of KoTOR was very strong, pre-defining the entire game, like the skill tree, the way you could interact with other characters, all the stuff. The combat system got improved (no more pseudo-realtime fights) but was still quite clumsy and incomplete.
The story itself was fine and a great set up for the series, that also applies on the races, the social and political layout, the entire galaxy: it felt like a -real- environment, something that could exist.
Nice bonuses: exporation system ('though the planets and mini missions were rather boring and could have been done in a better way), the romances, the humor ... you name it.
Mass Effect 2
At first I wasn't too fond of that game. But now, especially after ME3, I can say it was quite decent. Yeah, the storyline was a bit ... bumpy. The characters, 'though well done, felt more like problem childs with issues than adults. In hindsight I have to say I enjoyed the recruiting and loyalty missions, but I think they could have been done differently and the issues shouldn't have been "family issues" only.
ME2 did a lot of things right, but also several things wrong. Next to the decent combat system I liked I also enjoyed the new graphics, new enemies and the freedom to do whatever I want. Also some of the DLCs were amazing.
The story itself was less appealing than the one of ME1: too many plot holes and you got distracted far too often. Plus: Shepard was forced to play by TIM's rules in most instances: just one or two secondary missions allowed you to actively sabotage Cerberus. And still I think the story was better than in ME3.
Also, as I said already, the characters got developed in a fine way, just the "issues" felt a bit too forced since most of them were "family related": Miranda's sister, Jacob's father, Grunt's initiation rite, Jack's "family" in the past, Thane's son, Samara's daughter, Tali's father ... do I really need to go on?
In the end I loved the game. It is not perfect, it has flaws, but it's a worthy part 2 in the series.
Mass Effect 3
Well. I dunno what to say since nothing would do true justice.
ME3 is no bad game. It isn't. It is a good game, comes with tons of great features I'd have loved to see in ME1 and ME2, like the upgrade system. But it also comes with so many stuff I don't like and which doesn't fit to the series: auto dialogue, badly developed characters, a storyline, that feels as if after 2/3 of the writing the guy lost interest and threw stuff together just to get the job done.
I think, if I'd say the game is great, but incomplete, it might do justice to the work of BW. Since the game does feel incomplete. It feels as if a ton of great features got implemented incomplete. It feels as if the guy, that obviously had lost interest in the story, simply ran out of time after 2/3 had been done properly. Same for characters: some got a decent plot, others felt like an half-arsed job and most returned just as more or less well done cameos.
The endings? Let's ignore 'em, we know, BW would have done something entirely different with more time. More time, like "another 12 months". Just imagine how ME3 would have been if its release date hadn't been March 2012 but March 2013!
Overall I think ME3 needed more time. The way it got released is no worthy final part of a trilogy, but with more time it easly could have be. Who knows.
=========================================
Call me, if you want a story writer
Just kidding. I'm an engineering technician, no professional writer. I know a lot of BW writers did an amazing job (I love Chris L'Etoile's work, for example) and I doubt I can do better or even at a similar level. Then again, I believe some more work here and there could have made the ME series easily the best gaming series in history.
However, just in case BW/EA plans to reboot the series one day, call me. Just in case. As an advisor, if you don't want me to write that story. It's just that: in case of a reboot, a lot of mistakes done in the original series shouldn't be done again. I name the top 10 issues in a following list:
-> RPG with action elements
Keep it that way. ME is a RPG (like ME1). It's no action game with some RP elements (like ME3). Seriously, ME3 felt like an action game with some hints of RP elements, that's too few, too little.
-> Character development
Don't throw in too many squadmates, or you run out of time and budget to give all of them a proper development. BW did a great job in ME1 and ME2, but a half-arsed job in ME3 with most characters. Don't do that mistake again, it's one of THE issues a lot of players have with the third part of the series.
-> Story development
Basically what I said in "Character development". ME1 was good, ME2 was okay, ME3 felt incomplete. First two third were done perfectly, but the last third was ... less pleasing, so to speak. Also sudden plot changes hurt the plot, like dropping the "dark energy plot" or suddenly placing a Catalyst AI in the last 10 minutes of the game.
ONE plot - and keep it straight from the beginning to the end.
-> Dialogues
Still in the RPG area. ME1 and ME2 are great in that field, again, ME3 is a half-arsed job. Too many autodialogues, too little to ask for, too little options to choose a different path. Half of the RP experience stems from that field.
-> Romances
Well ... I'm still talking about the RP portion, right? Do it right, next time. No "canon LI" (Liara) and no sudden destruction of LIs (Jacob). If you want to make a character a LI, give him or her a proper romance plot. If that character is a LI from the very beginning to the very end, make the romance plot spanning three parts instead breaking it up into two sub plots.
I mean, what's the jazz with re-romancing Ash (or Kaidan, Liara) if you had her in ME1 already and didn't break up? Just asking.
Also bring back naked bodies in sex scenes. BW did a great job in ME1. Why did Traynor had to take a shower in underwear? Again: just asking. ME is a M-rated game, some naked skin won't spoil children. No one is asking for porn.
-> Exploration
Bring it back, with more interesting places to visit and missions to do. ME1 had explorations but the planets looked rather boring and the missions were too primitive. ME2 had better secondary missions but no exploration and ME3 lacked small secondary missions with exceptions of 3 or 4.
Just bring it back.
Nice addition here: next to the Mako (being upgradable) make the Kodiak a pilotable vehicle you can use as well.
-> Combat System
Keep it the way it was in ME2 or ME3. ME1 combat system felt too clumsy and incomplete, ME2 had a quite decent system which got improved in ME3. However, ME3 combat is a tad too fast.
-> Upgrade System
Well, that's one of the fields where ME3 excells. Therefore, use it.
The old looting system of ME1 was bad, must say, and the upgrade system in ME2 was too simple.
-> Main Character
So. I'm back in the RPG field. Shepard is the player's avatar. And since ME had been designed as a series where "the player's decisions matter", Shepard should reflect the player's gameplay. Easy as it is.
Shepard of ME1 and ME2 was able to do that. You could pick up to "five" roads (paragon, paragade, neutral, renegon, renegade), 'though only two were really rewarding (paragon/renegade).
In ME3, the player had to watch how Shepard was doing mostly auto-dialogues, removing a lot of freedom to play Shepard the way the player has in his or her mind.
-> The big picture
That one is a point I can't apply on a certain part of the trilogy. It's applying on the entire series. One of the biggest flaws of the series is the lack of continuity, when it comes to gameplay and story. Every part feels different and despite the fact you're able to import savegames, every part is an entirely new game.
I don't mind upgrades and improvements. However, if EA/BW ever plans to reboot the series, they really should create three ME parts which play and feel quite similar, so they can concentrate on the characters, the story, the setting. That's what I want most.
That begin said, I feel I wrote down most of the stuff I had in my mind and STILL didn't scratch more than the first layer of feelings I have for this series.
Obviously, my short "review" will be biased. I started playing the series in 2008, with ME1 for PC.
Mass Effect
I loved the game. I dunno how often I started another one and tried new stuff. My main Shepards are usually paragon or mostly paragon since the renegade line never offered me anything worth acting like a jerk. Some big decisions had been hefty, 'though, like the one dealing with the Rachni Queen. Without metagaming (aka knowing how things turn out), I'd still have issues with that decision.
Another big decision was Virmire - and, since it didn't come with a moralty question, it was one of those very few decisions I could do freely on my own. Needless to say I had to leave poor Kaidan with the bomb
...ME did a lot right, but also did some stuff wrong. For example the looting system: it was a leftover of other RPGs of that time and one of those things I really didn't like. I think the influence of KoTOR was very strong, pre-defining the entire game, like the skill tree, the way you could interact with other characters, all the stuff. The combat system got improved (no more pseudo-realtime fights) but was still quite clumsy and incomplete.
The story itself was fine and a great set up for the series, that also applies on the races, the social and political layout, the entire galaxy: it felt like a -real- environment, something that could exist.
Nice bonuses: exporation system ('though the planets and mini missions were rather boring and could have been done in a better way), the romances, the humor ... you name it.
Mass Effect 2
At first I wasn't too fond of that game. But now, especially after ME3, I can say it was quite decent. Yeah, the storyline was a bit ... bumpy. The characters, 'though well done, felt more like problem childs with issues than adults. In hindsight I have to say I enjoyed the recruiting and loyalty missions, but I think they could have been done differently and the issues shouldn't have been "family issues" only.
ME2 did a lot of things right, but also several things wrong. Next to the decent combat system I liked I also enjoyed the new graphics, new enemies and the freedom to do whatever I want. Also some of the DLCs were amazing.
The story itself was less appealing than the one of ME1: too many plot holes and you got distracted far too often. Plus: Shepard was forced to play by TIM's rules in most instances: just one or two secondary missions allowed you to actively sabotage Cerberus. And still I think the story was better than in ME3.
Also, as I said already, the characters got developed in a fine way, just the "issues" felt a bit too forced since most of them were "family related": Miranda's sister, Jacob's father, Grunt's initiation rite, Jack's "family" in the past, Thane's son, Samara's daughter, Tali's father ... do I really need to go on?
In the end I loved the game. It is not perfect, it has flaws, but it's a worthy part 2 in the series.
Mass Effect 3
Well. I dunno what to say since nothing would do true justice.
ME3 is no bad game. It isn't. It is a good game, comes with tons of great features I'd have loved to see in ME1 and ME2, like the upgrade system. But it also comes with so many stuff I don't like and which doesn't fit to the series: auto dialogue, badly developed characters, a storyline, that feels as if after 2/3 of the writing the guy lost interest and threw stuff together just to get the job done.
I think, if I'd say the game is great, but incomplete, it might do justice to the work of BW. Since the game does feel incomplete. It feels as if a ton of great features got implemented incomplete. It feels as if the guy, that obviously had lost interest in the story, simply ran out of time after 2/3 had been done properly. Same for characters: some got a decent plot, others felt like an half-arsed job and most returned just as more or less well done cameos.
The endings? Let's ignore 'em, we know, BW would have done something entirely different with more time. More time, like "another 12 months". Just imagine how ME3 would have been if its release date hadn't been March 2012 but March 2013!
Overall I think ME3 needed more time. The way it got released is no worthy final part of a trilogy, but with more time it easly could have be. Who knows.
=========================================
Call me, if you want a story writer
Just kidding. I'm an engineering technician, no professional writer. I know a lot of BW writers did an amazing job (I love Chris L'Etoile's work, for example) and I doubt I can do better or even at a similar level. Then again, I believe some more work here and there could have made the ME series easily the best gaming series in history.
However, just in case BW/EA plans to reboot the series one day, call me. Just in case. As an advisor, if you don't want me to write that story. It's just that: in case of a reboot, a lot of mistakes done in the original series shouldn't be done again. I name the top 10 issues in a following list:
-> RPG with action elements
Keep it that way. ME is a RPG (like ME1). It's no action game with some RP elements (like ME3). Seriously, ME3 felt like an action game with some hints of RP elements, that's too few, too little.
-> Character development
Don't throw in too many squadmates, or you run out of time and budget to give all of them a proper development. BW did a great job in ME1 and ME2, but a half-arsed job in ME3 with most characters. Don't do that mistake again, it's one of THE issues a lot of players have with the third part of the series.
-> Story development
Basically what I said in "Character development". ME1 was good, ME2 was okay, ME3 felt incomplete. First two third were done perfectly, but the last third was ... less pleasing, so to speak. Also sudden plot changes hurt the plot, like dropping the "dark energy plot" or suddenly placing a Catalyst AI in the last 10 minutes of the game.
ONE plot - and keep it straight from the beginning to the end.
-> Dialogues
Still in the RPG area. ME1 and ME2 are great in that field, again, ME3 is a half-arsed job. Too many autodialogues, too little to ask for, too little options to choose a different path. Half of the RP experience stems from that field.
-> Romances
Well ... I'm still talking about the RP portion, right? Do it right, next time. No "canon LI" (Liara) and no sudden destruction of LIs (Jacob). If you want to make a character a LI, give him or her a proper romance plot. If that character is a LI from the very beginning to the very end, make the romance plot spanning three parts instead breaking it up into two sub plots.
I mean, what's the jazz with re-romancing Ash (or Kaidan, Liara) if you had her in ME1 already and didn't break up? Just asking.
Also bring back naked bodies in sex scenes. BW did a great job in ME1. Why did Traynor had to take a shower in underwear? Again: just asking. ME is a M-rated game, some naked skin won't spoil children. No one is asking for porn.
-> Exploration
Bring it back, with more interesting places to visit and missions to do. ME1 had explorations but the planets looked rather boring and the missions were too primitive. ME2 had better secondary missions but no exploration and ME3 lacked small secondary missions with exceptions of 3 or 4.
Just bring it back.
Nice addition here: next to the Mako (being upgradable) make the Kodiak a pilotable vehicle you can use as well.
-> Combat System
Keep it the way it was in ME2 or ME3. ME1 combat system felt too clumsy and incomplete, ME2 had a quite decent system which got improved in ME3. However, ME3 combat is a tad too fast.
-> Upgrade System
Well, that's one of the fields where ME3 excells. Therefore, use it.
The old looting system of ME1 was bad, must say, and the upgrade system in ME2 was too simple.
-> Main Character
So. I'm back in the RPG field. Shepard is the player's avatar. And since ME had been designed as a series where "the player's decisions matter", Shepard should reflect the player's gameplay. Easy as it is.
Shepard of ME1 and ME2 was able to do that. You could pick up to "five" roads (paragon, paragade, neutral, renegon, renegade), 'though only two were really rewarding (paragon/renegade).
In ME3, the player had to watch how Shepard was doing mostly auto-dialogues, removing a lot of freedom to play Shepard the way the player has in his or her mind.
-> The big picture
That one is a point I can't apply on a certain part of the trilogy. It's applying on the entire series. One of the biggest flaws of the series is the lack of continuity, when it comes to gameplay and story. Every part feels different and despite the fact you're able to import savegames, every part is an entirely new game.
I don't mind upgrades and improvements. However, if EA/BW ever plans to reboot the series, they really should create three ME parts which play and feel quite similar, so they can concentrate on the characters, the story, the setting. That's what I want most.
That begin said, I feel I wrote down most of the stuff I had in my mind and STILL didn't scratch more than the first layer of feelings I have for this series.
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CptData wrote...
Sure, have mine.
Obviously, my short "review" will be biased. I started playing the series in 2008, with ME1 for PC.
Mass Effect
I loved the game. I dunno how often I started another one and tried new stuff. My main Shepards are usually paragon or mostly paragon since the renegade line never offered me anything worth acting like a jerk. Some big decisions had been hefty, 'though, like the one dealing with the Rachni Queen. Without metagaming (aka knowing how things turn out), I'd still have issues with that decision.
Another big decision was Virmire - and, since it didn't come with a moralty question, it was one of those very few decisions I could do freely on my own. Needless to say I had to leave poor Kaidan with the bomb
ME did a lot right, but also did some stuff wrong. For example the looting system: it was a leftover of other RPGs of that time and one of those things I really didn't like. I think the influence of KoTOR was very strong, pre-defining the entire game, like the skill tree, the way you could interact with other characters, all the stuff. The combat system got improved (no more pseudo-realtime fights) but was still quite clumsy and incomplete.
The story itself was fine and a great set up for the series, that also applies on the races, the social and political layout, the entire galaxy: it felt like a -real- environment, something that could exist.
Nice bonuses: exporation system ('though the planets and mini missions were rather boring and could have been done in a better way), the romances, the humor ... you name it.
Mass Effect 2
At first I wasn't too fond of that game. But now, especially after ME3, I can say it was quite decent. Yeah, the storyline was a bit ... bumpy. The characters, 'though well done, felt more like problem childs with issues than adults. In hindsight I have to say I enjoyed the recruiting and loyalty missions, but I think they could have been done differently and the issues shouldn't have been "family issues" only.
ME2 did a lot of things right, but also several things wrong. Next to the decent combat system I liked I also enjoyed the new graphics, new enemies and the freedom to do whatever I want. Also some of the DLCs were amazing.
The story itself was less appealing than the one of ME1: too many plot holes and you got distracted far too often. Plus: Shepard was forced to play by TIM's rules in most instances: just one or two secondary missions allowed you to actively sabotage Cerberus. And still I think the story was better than in ME3.
Also, as I said already, the characters got developed in a fine way, just the "issues" felt a bit too forced since most of them were "family related": Miranda's sister, Jacob's father, Grunt's initiation rite, Jack's "family" in the past, Thane's son, Samara's daughter, Tali's father ... do I really need to go on?
In the end I loved the game. It is not perfect, it has flaws, but it's a worthy part 2 in the series.
Mass Effect 3
Well. I dunno what to say since nothing would do true justice.
ME3 is no bad game. It isn't. It is a good game, comes with tons of great features I'd have loved to see in ME1 and ME2, like the upgrade system. But it also comes with so many stuff I don't like and which doesn't fit to the series: auto dialogue, badly developed characters, a storyline, that feels as if after 2/3 of the writing the guy lost interest and threw stuff together just to get the job done.
I think, if I'd say the game is great, but incomplete, it might do justice to the work of BW. Since the game does feel incomplete. It feels as if a ton of great features got implemented incomplete. It feels as if the guy, that obviously had lost interest in the story, simply ran out of time after 2/3 had been done properly. Same for characters: some got a decent plot, others felt like an half-arsed job and most returned just as more or less well done cameos.
The endings? Let's ignore 'em, we know, BW would have done something entirely different with more time. More time, like "another 12 months". Just imagine how ME3 would have been if its release date hadn't been March 2012 but March 2013!
Overall I think ME3 needed more time. The way it got released is no worthy final part of a trilogy, but with more time it easly could have be. Who knows.
=========================================
Call me, if you want a story writer
Just kidding. I'm an engineering technician, no professional writer. I know a lot of BW writers did an amazing job (I love Chris L'Etoile's work, for example) and I doubt I can do better or even at a similar level. Then again, I believe some more work here and there could have made the ME series easily the best gaming series in history.
However, just in case BW/EA plans to reboot the series one day, call me. Just in case. As an advisor, if you don't want me to write that story. It's just that: in case of a reboot, a lot of mistakes done in the original series shouldn't be done again. I name the top 10 issues in a following list:
-> RPG with action elements
Keep it that way. ME is a RPG (like ME1). It's no action game with some RP elements (like ME3). Seriously, ME3 felt like an action game with some hints of RP elements, that's too few, too little.
-> Character development
Don't throw in too many squadmates, or you run out of time and budget to give all of them a proper development. BW did a great job in ME1 and ME2, but a half-arsed job in ME3 with most characters. Don't do that mistake again, it's one of THE issues a lot of players have with the third part of the series.
-> Story development
Basically what I said in "Character development". ME1 was good, ME2 was okay, ME3 felt incomplete. First two third were done perfectly, but the last third was ... less pleasing, so to speak. Also sudden plot changes hurt the plot, like dropping the "dark energy plot" or suddenly placing a Catalyst AI in the last 10 minutes of the game.
ONE plot - and keep it straight from the beginning to the end.
-> Dialogues
Still in the RPG area. ME1 and ME2 are great in that field, again, ME3 is a half-arsed job. Too many autodialogues, too little to ask for, too little options to choose a different path. Half of the RP experience stems from that field.
-> Romances
Well ... I'm still talking about the RP portion, right? Do it right, next time. No "canon LI" (Liara) and no sudden destruction of LIs (Jacob). If you want to make a character a LI, give him or her a proper romance plot. If that character is a LI from the very beginning to the very end, make the romance plot spanning three parts instead breaking it up into two sub plots.
I mean, what's the jazz with re-romancing Ash (or Kaidan, Liara) if you had her in ME1 already and didn't break up? Just asking.
Also bring back naked bodies in sex scenes. BW did a great job in ME1. Why did Traynor had to take a shower in underwear? Again: just asking. ME is a M-rated game, some naked skin won't spoil children. No one is asking for porn.
-> Exploration
Bring it back, with more interesting places to visit and missions to do. ME1 had explorations but the planets looked rather boring and the missions were too primitive. ME2 had better secondary missions but no exploration and ME3 lacked small secondary missions with exceptions of 3 or 4.
Just bring it back.
Nice addition here: next to the Mako (being upgradable) make the Kodiak a pilotable vehicle you can use as well.
-> Combat System
Keep it the way it was in ME2 or ME3. ME1 combat system felt too clumsy and incomplete, ME2 had a quite decent system which got improved in ME3. However, ME3 combat is a tad too fast.
-> Upgrade System
Well, that's one of the fields where ME3 excells. Therefore, use it.
The old looting system of ME1 was bad, must say, and the upgrade system in ME2 was too simple.
-> Main Character
So. I'm back in the RPG field. Shepard is the player's avatar. And since ME had been designed as a series where "the player's decisions matter", Shepard should reflect the player's gameplay. Easy as it is.
Shepard of ME1 and ME2 was able to do that. You could pick up to "five" roads (paragon, paragade, neutral, renegon, renegade), 'though only two were really rewarding (paragon/renegade).
In ME3, the player had to watch how Shepard was doing mostly auto-dialogues, removing a lot of freedom to play Shepard the way the player has in his or her mind.
-> The big picture
That one is a point I can't apply on a certain part of the trilogy. It's applying on the entire series. One of the biggest flaws of the series is the lack of continuity, when it comes to gameplay and story. Every part feels different and despite the fact you're able to import savegames, every part is an entirely new game.
I don't mind upgrades and improvements. However, if EA/BW ever plans to reboot the series, they really should create three ME parts which play and feel quite similar, so they can concentrate on the characters, the story, the setting. That's what I want most.
That begin said, I feel I wrote down most of the stuff I had in my mind and STILL didn't scratch more than the first layer of feelings I have for this series.
This was whole book
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Posté 02 novembre 2012 - 03:52
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ME1
me1 was pretty special to me i was never realy into science fiction befor playing. I realy loved the world and characters. It also did something alot of rpgs fail to do which is breath life into the setting. ME actualy felt like a functioning universe to me. I wanted to see more, not just of the grand and epic but even of the little things
ME2
Well as some one that plays biowares games for the characters i was pretty pleased that me2 was almost entirely character based. It even included a number of appearances from some of my favourate smaller characters and introduced some new favourates like detective anaya. Most of my major issues were resolved thorugh the dlc. Its story had weak points but nothing i felt couldnt be sorted out in me3...
ME3
ME3 was a good game for the most part but unfortuantely it was the areas in which ME had always been strong were it fell flat and ultimately scuppered my experiance. My shepard was suddenly a differant person talking often without input and reacting without consideration to the player intent. Many of the characters i loved either didnt appear or got treated very poorly. Emily Wongs death in particular is just disgusting. This combined with lack of any sort of exploration and a single hub made the ME universe feel small for the first time since its introduction. As unfortunate as all this was ultimately the games not bad and does see some genuine improvement. ultimately though the love for ME left me with the most frustrating ending of all time. With shepard left in limbo and confirmation from bioware that this is how it will remain i find myself at a loss with mass effect as much as i loved it, my enthusiasm just isnt there anymore
me1 was pretty special to me i was never realy into science fiction befor playing. I realy loved the world and characters. It also did something alot of rpgs fail to do which is breath life into the setting. ME actualy felt like a functioning universe to me. I wanted to see more, not just of the grand and epic but even of the little things
ME2
Well as some one that plays biowares games for the characters i was pretty pleased that me2 was almost entirely character based. It even included a number of appearances from some of my favourate smaller characters and introduced some new favourates like detective anaya. Most of my major issues were resolved thorugh the dlc. Its story had weak points but nothing i felt couldnt be sorted out in me3...
ME3
ME3 was a good game for the most part but unfortuantely it was the areas in which ME had always been strong were it fell flat and ultimately scuppered my experiance. My shepard was suddenly a differant person talking often without input and reacting without consideration to the player intent. Many of the characters i loved either didnt appear or got treated very poorly. Emily Wongs death in particular is just disgusting. This combined with lack of any sort of exploration and a single hub made the ME universe feel small for the first time since its introduction. As unfortunate as all this was ultimately the games not bad and does see some genuine improvement. ultimately though the love for ME left me with the most frustrating ending of all time. With shepard left in limbo and confirmation from bioware that this is how it will remain i find myself at a loss with mass effect as much as i loved it, my enthusiasm just isnt there anymore
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Posté 02 novembre 2012 - 04:03
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ME1 to ME3
:O^_^
:mellow::happy:
:crying::crying::crying:
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A bloody rollercoaster. That's what the trilogy is.
ME1 to ME3
:O^_^:mellow::happy::crying::crying::crying::wub::unsure::pinched::crying::lol:<_<:crying::crying::crying::crying:A bloody rollercoaster. That's what the trilogy is.
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Posté 02 novembre 2012 - 04:45
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If I could compare the Mass Effect series to anything it would be the Star Wars original trilogy.
Mass Effect 1 (Episode IV, A New Hope)
Brilliant storyline, introduced intriguing and interesting characters and a rich galaxy full of lore and intrigue. Compared to the others however the game-play isn't as streamlined or easy to use, action sequences aren't quite as spectacular.
Mass Effect 2 (Episode V, Empire Strikes Back)
Took everything good from the first installment and refined it. Far superior gameplay and action sequences, a mixture of old and brilliant new characters who slotted right into the universe without feeling intrusive. Sure the plot wasn't as strong and full of twists and turns but it was competent enough.
Mass Effect 3 (Episode VI, Return of the Jedi)
A strong opening half, bringing all the cast and characters together again, Backdrop of a ominous galaxy wide war. Simply put.... crappy ending. Fell flat on it's face, the climax of the trilogy actually ends up being its weakest part.
So yes the trilogy is a rollercoaster ride, and you can't end a rollercoaster on a high...it's got to come back down to earth. And sadly the end of Mass Effect 3 (I'm not a passionate hater) somehow takes away some of the sparkle from the trilogy as a whole.
Mass Effect 1 (Episode IV, A New Hope)
Brilliant storyline, introduced intriguing and interesting characters and a rich galaxy full of lore and intrigue. Compared to the others however the game-play isn't as streamlined or easy to use, action sequences aren't quite as spectacular.
Mass Effect 2 (Episode V, Empire Strikes Back)
Took everything good from the first installment and refined it. Far superior gameplay and action sequences, a mixture of old and brilliant new characters who slotted right into the universe without feeling intrusive. Sure the plot wasn't as strong and full of twists and turns but it was competent enough.
Mass Effect 3 (Episode VI, Return of the Jedi)
A strong opening half, bringing all the cast and characters together again, Backdrop of a ominous galaxy wide war. Simply put.... crappy ending. Fell flat on it's face, the climax of the trilogy actually ends up being its weakest part.
So yes the trilogy is a rollercoaster ride, and you can't end a rollercoaster on a high...it's got to come back down to earth. And sadly the end of Mass Effect 3 (I'm not a passionate hater) somehow takes away some of the sparkle from the trilogy as a whole.
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Posté 02 novembre 2012 - 06:18
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CptData's review is pretty much in line with my own thoughts.
ME1: A science fiction rpg, a rarity these days. And shooting elements were quite a novelty fro me. I found it a little short, but The characters were excellent, Loved learning about Garrus' time in C-Sec, Ashley's family, Wrex's bitternes about the krogan. I also felt like I could really customize my Commander Shepard. Great characters, cool story, and a finale worthy of an epic rpg (who could forget walking up the outside of the Citadel as Sovereign loomed in the distance?) I'm also one of apparantly only a few people who actually liked the Mako and driving around of the surface of planets.
ME2: To be honest, I didn't care for ME2 as much as ME1. Most of the ME1 characters were sidelined. Much of the customization was gone. Most of the choices didn't feel as big. Basically it felt like an "actionized sequel" That said, I liked the characters, and the Suicide Mission was a worthy final mission where I was able to feel my choices had an impact.
ME3: Up until the end, I was enjoying ME3. Customization was much better. I got to hang with old friends from both games. The missions at least appeared to be aimed at creating a truly epic finale. No previous choices didn't really play much of a role, but it was getting the job done wrapping up the story.
But the ending...Gah! The ending ruined it all. It made the entire trilogy feel futile. Why did I bother to romance anyone? Why did I bother to save anyone? It killed all enjoyment of the trilogy. I ended up uninstalling the entire trilogy.
ME1: A science fiction rpg, a rarity these days. And shooting elements were quite a novelty fro me. I found it a little short, but The characters were excellent, Loved learning about Garrus' time in C-Sec, Ashley's family, Wrex's bitternes about the krogan. I also felt like I could really customize my Commander Shepard. Great characters, cool story, and a finale worthy of an epic rpg (who could forget walking up the outside of the Citadel as Sovereign loomed in the distance?) I'm also one of apparantly only a few people who actually liked the Mako and driving around of the surface of planets.
ME2: To be honest, I didn't care for ME2 as much as ME1. Most of the ME1 characters were sidelined. Much of the customization was gone. Most of the choices didn't feel as big. Basically it felt like an "actionized sequel" That said, I liked the characters, and the Suicide Mission was a worthy final mission where I was able to feel my choices had an impact.
ME3: Up until the end, I was enjoying ME3. Customization was much better. I got to hang with old friends from both games. The missions at least appeared to be aimed at creating a truly epic finale. No previous choices didn't really play much of a role, but it was getting the job done wrapping up the story.
But the ending...Gah! The ending ruined it all. It made the entire trilogy feel futile. Why did I bother to romance anyone? Why did I bother to save anyone? It killed all enjoyment of the trilogy. I ended up uninstalling the entire trilogy.
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Posté 02 novembre 2012 - 06:26
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Has anyone read the title of this thread?
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Posté 02 novembre 2012 - 06:58
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Yes. I shared my thoughts and feelings.Kroitz wrote...
Has anyone read the title of this thread?
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Posté 02 novembre 2012 - 07:07
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CptData wrote...
Yes. I shared my thoughts and feelings.Kroitz wrote...
Has anyone read the title of this thread?
What, wait a minute. Oh ...
You will forget my post this instant,
SHABLABAZAM!
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Posté 02 novembre 2012 - 07:32
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ME1: possibly one of the best games ive ever played, and what i liked best is that you cloud be a complete saint or a comlete bastard, and the story was awesome.
Characters were mint, everyone felt "alive" and complex.
End game gave you immense satisfaction when yo defeated saren/sovereign
ME2: had better character development and the stories were very good, side missions where little stories of their own and and it was a spicy addition to the main story.
Characters this time was just as good on with the exeption of Jacob who i kinda felt was just along for the ride.
The suicide mission was superb..
ME3: Mediocre start at best, it was dragged down even furter with the kid, the main missions leading up to priority earth was good, to much focus on cerberus and not the reapers weigh it down a little but still good.
Side missions were redused to a bad joke exept for the missions where you meet your me2 squad
priority earth has more plot holes then a wedge cheese, the endings...i wont even go there
Characters were mint, everyone felt "alive" and complex.
End game gave you immense satisfaction when yo defeated saren/sovereign
ME2: had better character development and the stories were very good, side missions where little stories of their own and and it was a spicy addition to the main story.
Characters this time was just as good on with the exeption of Jacob who i kinda felt was just along for the ride.
The suicide mission was superb..
ME3: Mediocre start at best, it was dragged down even furter with the kid, the main missions leading up to priority earth was good, to much focus on cerberus and not the reapers weigh it down a little but still good.
Side missions were redused to a bad joke exept for the missions where you meet your me2 squad
priority earth has more plot holes then a wedge cheese, the endings...i wont even go there
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Posté 02 novembre 2012 - 07:45
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ME1: Really good game.
ME2: Better than the first in almost every way.
ME3: Mediocre with a few stand out moments.
I don't have high hopes for the next Mass Effect.
ME2: Better than the first in almost every way.
ME3: Mediocre with a few stand out moments.
I don't have high hopes for the next Mass Effect.
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Posté 02 novembre 2012 - 07:51
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EpicBoot2daFace wrote...
ME1: Really good game.
ME2: Better than the first in almost every way.
ME3: Mediocre with a few stand out moments.
I don't have high hopes for the next Mass Effect.
Your summary of the series is pretty accurate. I have high hopes for the next just because I cant let the series go...
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Posté 02 novembre 2012 - 07:53
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Mass Effect:
Fantastic experience, started a new pt right away. Sure found the gameplay clunky, but biotics and tech where awesome, the shooting part just needed more work.Strong story and characters.
Mass Effect 2:
First pt was fun despite the VS and Liara treatment, suicide mission being way to easy, ending making me go O_o. However as I played the game more I started to see more issues and when I went back to ME then imported to ME2, I really started to see issues, even in gameplay, sure gun aspect was better, but powes sucked, story was non-exsistant, too many retcons,main characters from ME being treated like garbage, Cerberus, ME2 feeling like a massive spin off, not a continuation, loyalty missions ect. Suffice to say, the more I played it, the more I began to hate ME2.
Mass Effect 3:
Hated the beginning, the treatment of Miranda, Samara, Kasumi, Zaeed and Thane. Hated Cerberus even more, hated the crucible and how it was handled and hated the ending. Other then that I enjoyed the game alot. Far more then ME2. Very close to ME but it's flaws stop it. Could have been better with a longer dev time and a better lead writer
Overall: A trilogy that had so much potential, ended up being two good games instead of a epic trilogy with three fantastic chapters. MP was fun though.
Fantastic experience, started a new pt right away. Sure found the gameplay clunky, but biotics and tech where awesome, the shooting part just needed more work.Strong story and characters.
Mass Effect 2:
First pt was fun despite the VS and Liara treatment, suicide mission being way to easy, ending making me go O_o. However as I played the game more I started to see more issues and when I went back to ME then imported to ME2, I really started to see issues, even in gameplay, sure gun aspect was better, but powes sucked, story was non-exsistant, too many retcons,main characters from ME being treated like garbage, Cerberus, ME2 feeling like a massive spin off, not a continuation, loyalty missions ect. Suffice to say, the more I played it, the more I began to hate ME2.
Mass Effect 3:
Hated the beginning, the treatment of Miranda, Samara, Kasumi, Zaeed and Thane. Hated Cerberus even more, hated the crucible and how it was handled and hated the ending. Other then that I enjoyed the game alot. Far more then ME2. Very close to ME but it's flaws stop it. Could have been better with a longer dev time and a better lead writer
Overall: A trilogy that had so much potential, ended up being two good games instead of a epic trilogy with three fantastic chapters. MP was fun though.
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Posté 02 novembre 2012 - 08:15
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It's understandable. The series is pretty unique and has a lot going for it. But after ME3, I question the team's competence. I mean, they really screwed up more than just the ending. Plus, EA is in the picture and that's never a good thing.Nicksta92 wrote...
EpicBoot2daFace wrote...
ME1: Really good game.
ME2: Better than the first in almost every way.
ME3: Mediocre with a few stand out moments.
I don't have high hopes for the next Mass Effect.
Your summary of the series is pretty accurate. I have high hopes for the next just because I cant let the series go...
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Posté 02 novembre 2012 - 09:37
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Here comes my thought of ME3 and the series as a whole.
ME3: in my mind it was going to be the best game in the series considering that the success of ME2 and ME1 was in order,
The opening prolouge was good considering that immidiatly the reapers invade earth and it gets more trumatic that shepard is witnessing it all.But ia way it was not enough.
What was truly missing was the trial that allowed all the players to get into the story of ME3 and also see what choices you have made in the past.
but during the story unfolds there are many plotholes that a true and dedicated ME fans see, unlike a new player. i wont go into the spoilers.
then its the conversations with your crewmember and NPC, the conversations that you got was very good, but in the long run it was replaced by autodialouges.
which was taking away the joy of the conversations you got in ME1 and ME2
and in one of the things that made the other games so good, is that there were to many things missing like exploringmission, loyalty missions, enemy diversity and so on.
one more thing is that we are only gathering the major spicies, the others seemes to follow random, ´that requires more missions to there homeworld and so on.
But what also is a setback is that your relationship with your LI was not good or well performed,
But the biggest problem of them all is the Ending, reapers and your choices. we ere promised from the beginning that all of our choices would matter, and it didn´t, then the ending itself was poorly written and i will not get into that.
then its the reapers themself, all that we have learned from the ME franchise was cast down and replaced by something in order to make it easy for the developers the finish the franchise.
thats WRONG in my opinion
nevertheless there are at least 5 serious problems that exists in ME3 that must be fixed in order to fullfill the triology is:
Choices that matter in the end
Autodialouge should be replaced by the conversations you got in ME2 and ME1, the dialouges are there
LI was poorly treated in ME3, to few conversations, to few moments and the relationship between shepard and LI didn´t elvolve.
Reapers Motivations, completley different from what sovereign and harbinger says. It was changed in order to fit the ending, and of course Harbinger must take the role as the villain in this game, and as the ultimate enemy.
Ending itself
But even if this game as a whole is a 5/10, there are some sunshines that appear and is telling us what Bioware could do:
the gameplay is perfected, it cannot be better then this. and the missions that takes us to the asari, krogan, turian, geth and quarians, the tuchanka mission is my favorite even now. perfect
the final thoughts is this:
During this 5 years i have been taking part of a sifi adventure unlike anything. filled with fantastic moments and awsome storytelling, ME franchise is not a game, its a story that goes into the history books.
But after the ME3:s ending you only feel sad that your characters journey is about to end and in this terrible way
i always could go back and play ME1 and 2 but i cannot anymore and its sad.
there has been some moments where you want to leave the series altogheter but you still stays because you still believe in bioware and in ME, but i cannot continue on forever when the franchise i love so much is going to end in this way.
This is my final thoughts,
Good night
ME3: in my mind it was going to be the best game in the series considering that the success of ME2 and ME1 was in order,
The opening prolouge was good considering that immidiatly the reapers invade earth and it gets more trumatic that shepard is witnessing it all.But ia way it was not enough.
What was truly missing was the trial that allowed all the players to get into the story of ME3 and also see what choices you have made in the past.
but during the story unfolds there are many plotholes that a true and dedicated ME fans see, unlike a new player. i wont go into the spoilers.
then its the conversations with your crewmember and NPC, the conversations that you got was very good, but in the long run it was replaced by autodialouges.
which was taking away the joy of the conversations you got in ME1 and ME2
and in one of the things that made the other games so good, is that there were to many things missing like exploringmission, loyalty missions, enemy diversity and so on.
one more thing is that we are only gathering the major spicies, the others seemes to follow random, ´that requires more missions to there homeworld and so on.
But what also is a setback is that your relationship with your LI was not good or well performed,
But the biggest problem of them all is the Ending, reapers and your choices. we ere promised from the beginning that all of our choices would matter, and it didn´t, then the ending itself was poorly written and i will not get into that.
then its the reapers themself, all that we have learned from the ME franchise was cast down and replaced by something in order to make it easy for the developers the finish the franchise.
thats WRONG in my opinion
nevertheless there are at least 5 serious problems that exists in ME3 that must be fixed in order to fullfill the triology is:
Choices that matter in the end
Autodialouge should be replaced by the conversations you got in ME2 and ME1, the dialouges are there
LI was poorly treated in ME3, to few conversations, to few moments and the relationship between shepard and LI didn´t elvolve.
Reapers Motivations, completley different from what sovereign and harbinger says. It was changed in order to fit the ending, and of course Harbinger must take the role as the villain in this game, and as the ultimate enemy.
Ending itself
But even if this game as a whole is a 5/10, there are some sunshines that appear and is telling us what Bioware could do:
the gameplay is perfected, it cannot be better then this. and the missions that takes us to the asari, krogan, turian, geth and quarians, the tuchanka mission is my favorite even now. perfect
the final thoughts is this:
During this 5 years i have been taking part of a sifi adventure unlike anything. filled with fantastic moments and awsome storytelling, ME franchise is not a game, its a story that goes into the history books.
But after the ME3:s ending you only feel sad that your characters journey is about to end and in this terrible way
i always could go back and play ME1 and 2 but i cannot anymore and its sad.
there has been some moments where you want to leave the series altogheter but you still stays because you still believe in bioware and in ME, but i cannot continue on forever when the franchise i love so much is going to end in this way.
This is my final thoughts,
Good night
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Posté 03 novembre 2012 - 12:28
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ME1: Perfect
ME2: Okay
ME3:Awesome
ME2: Okay
ME3:Awesome
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Posté 03 novembre 2012 - 12:35
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ME1: 20-+ playthroughs....my single favorite game of all time
ME2: 13+ playthroughs....my second favorite game of all time.
ME3: 1 playthrough, i still have not seen the extended cut as i have no desire to play the campaign.
upon completion, i set my controller down and turned off the xbox in stunned disbelief
and disappointment
ME2: 13+ playthroughs....my second favorite game of all time.
ME3: 1 playthrough, i still have not seen the extended cut as i have no desire to play the campaign.
upon completion, i set my controller down and turned off the xbox in stunned disbelief
and disappointment
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Posté 03 novembre 2012 - 12:45
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ME1- Awesome
ME2- MindBlown
ME3- Good and then Dafuq.
ME2- MindBlown
ME3- Good and then Dafuq.
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Posté 03 novembre 2012 - 01:00
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Milotic12 wrote...
If I could compare the Mass Effect series to anything it would be the Star Wars original trilogy.
Mass Effect 1 (Episode IV, A New Hope)
Brilliant storyline, introduced intriguing and interesting characters and a rich galaxy full of lore and intrigue. Compared to the others however the game-play isn't as streamlined or easy to use, action sequences aren't quite as spectacular.
Mass Effect 2 (Episode V, Empire Strikes Back)
Took everything good from the first installment and refined it. Far superior gameplay and action sequences, a mixture of old and brilliant new characters who slotted right into the universe without feeling intrusive. Sure the plot wasn't as strong and full of twists and turns but it was competent enough.
Mass Effect 3 (Episode VI, Return of the Jedi)
A strong opening half, bringing all the cast and characters together again, Backdrop of a ominous galaxy wide war. Simply put.... crappy ending. Fell flat on it's face, the climax of the trilogy actually ends up being its weakest part.
So yes the trilogy is a rollercoaster ride, and you can't end a rollercoaster on a high...it's got to come back down to earth. And sadly the end of Mass Effect 3 (I'm not a passionate hater) somehow takes away some of the sparkle from the trilogy as a whole.
hits the nail on the head.
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Posté 03 novembre 2012 - 02:13
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simfamSP wrote...
I think smileys will do mine justice.
ME1 to ME3
A bloody rollercoaster. That's what the trilogy is.
That did it justice.
I salute you.
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Posté 03 novembre 2012 - 08:23
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ME1 : an excellent game
ME2 : my favorite video game
ME3 : a big disappointement (not just because of the ending)
ME2 : my favorite video game
ME3 : a big disappointement (not just because of the ending)
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Posté 03 novembre 2012 - 08:26
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Yannkee wrote...
ME1 : an excellent game
ME2 : my favorite video game
ME3 : a big disappointement (not just because of the ending)
Pretty much this, although ME3 - not just the ending, but mostly.
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Posté 03 novembre 2012 - 08:34
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ME - Glorious
ME2 - Good, but not even close to ME
ME3 - Almost as glorious as ME
ME2 - Good, but not even close to ME
ME3 - Almost as glorious as ME
