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[freche]

Since most people get stuck after they read certain words I have now rewritten the OP and renamed the Topic.

Idea: Melee Character that can Support through Magic, a mix between the Warrior & Mage class.

I'd like to see that the chantry do have some more in mind then just locking up most mages.
Hunting Apstates and Blood Mages can't be the safest work, and I'm sure even the Templars wouldn't mind some healing magic at times.

This doesn't need to be a playable class, and tbh I think it is easier to limit it to NPCs for the time being due to this doesn't really fit into either Warrior nor Mage as a subclass.

Lore fiendly:
Since the character will at it's core be a mage, it should have been brought up in a Circle.
However some mage seem to have a lot more freedom then others.
Wynne, Ines the Botanist (DAA), Circle Bethany and more are all allowed to leave the circle without templar guards watching over them, so being allowed "freedom" seems to be a matter of trust.

Since the person would live in a Circle it seems most logical that Weapon training would come from the Templars.
Considering the Chantry and Templars view on most magic it should be limited to supprotive non offensive magic such as Creation and maybe some spirit (anti-magic).
Recieving training from Templars could also help earning enough trust to be allowed to go outside the Circle.

Main purpose of the occupation would be accompany Templars on dangerous tasks.
Other possiblities, "Combat Medic" for armies

Modifié par freche, 02 novembre 2012 - 06:31 .

[Bfler]

This sounds like a Paladin.

[SpunkyMonkey]

Sounds boring to play.

[InfinitePaths]

Ugh why are so many people trying to against Bioware.Bioware has already announced the only 3 classes will be rouge mage and a warrior,and besides story wise it would be stupid to trow in a cleric,becouse it wouldn't fit in to the story.The chantry already has Templars(well not anymore )and the chanters are there to spread the chant of light not to fight.

My work here is done

EDIT:I don't like happy light light stuff in dark fantasy games,especially not in DA.

EDIT 2:And all mages are raised by the templars in the circle,but it's more important to learn them how to use magic properly than learning them to weild a sword.A perfect mage with creation abilities and which somewhat shares the templar's view is wynne,do you see her weilding a sword?

Modifié par HeriocGreyWarden, 02 novembre 2012 - 10:28 .

[mousestalker]

A cleric class would also presuppose the existence of an active deity or deities in Thedas. The developers have been deliberate in ensuring that the evidence regarding such is ambiguous.

[Chaos Lord Malek]

Another mage class would be a poor decision. I can imagine it as a replacer for mage, for Inquisition but making just another class like that wouldn't be a good idea.

The *cleric* style class in my opinion should be Zealot - with resource ZEAL, that works similar to warriors rage or DKs runic power from WoW. That is the resources is empty at the beginning and either attacks or abilities fill it up, and then it is used for another more powerful spells/abilities/attacks. Because we already have a mana user and two stamina users.

[Herr Uhl]

mousestalker wrote...

A cleric class would also presuppose the existence of an active deity or deities in Thedas. The developers have been deliberate in ensuring that the evidence regarding such is ambiguous.

Well OP points out that it could just be a mage in heavy armor with healing spells and buffs that hits things with a stick instead of pew pew.

Basically the arcane warrior in DAO with some creation spells. Don't see how it'd clash with established lore.

[thats1evildude]

Clerics in D&D occupy a particular niche: not only are they the best at supplying healing and rezzes, but their other well-known ability is to Turn Undead. (Or, if they're evil, Dominate them.)

There is no Turn Undead ability in Dragon Age and all mages are capable of casting healing spells (if they have the talent). Aside from blood mages, there's no division between spellcasters like D&D's distinction between clerics and wizards.

What you should be asking for is the return of the Arcane Warrior, because that's what you REALLY want: a mage that can wear big boy armour and swing a sword instead of a staff. None of this faffing about with clerics.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 02 novembre 2012 - 11:20 .

[freche]

 

HeriocGreyWarden wrote...
Ugh why are so many people trying to against Bioware. Bioware has already announced the only 3 classes will be rouge mage and a warrior,and besides story wise it would be stupid to trow in a cleric,becouse it wouldn't fit in to the story.The chantry already has Templars(well not anymore )and the chanters are there to spread the chant of light not to fight.
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EDIT 2:And all mages are raised by the templars in the circle, but it's more important to learn them how to use magic properly than learning them to weild a sword.A perfect mage with creation abilities and which somewhat shares the templar's view is wynne,do you see her weilding a sword?

It could easily be made a subclass or maybe not a playable class at all at this point.

I'd just like to see that the Chantry could consider that people with magic affinity have a use more then being locked up (but well considering DA2 ending that might not happen).
Also some mages seems to be allowed to have more freedom. Wynne is a good example, there is also another mage (can't remember the name) you meet in Awakening that is out in the wild without guard.

I'm also more under the impression that the Templars just guard the Circle, the Chantry dictates the rules and the Mages in there are raised by other Mages.

mousestalker wrote...
A cleric class would also presuppose the existence of an active deity or deities in Thedas. The developers have been deliberate in ensuring that the evidence regarding such is ambiguous.

Sorry for the wall of text (fixed now) could have been hard to read.
I'm well aware that there is no active deities in Thedas and this idea takes that into consideration and this is as Herr Uhl said something similar to an Arcane Warrior.

thats1evildude wrote...

Clerics in D&D occupy a particular niche: not only are they the best at supplying healing and rezzes, but their other well-known ability is to Turn Undead. (Or, if they're evil, Dominate them.)

There is no Turn Undead ability in Dragon Age and all mages are capable of casting healing spells (if they have the talent). Aside from blood mages, there's no division between spellcasters like D&D's distinction between clerics and wizards.

What you should be asking for is the return of the Arcane Warrior, because that's what you REALLY want: a mage that can wear big boy armour and swing a sword instead of a staff. None of this faffing about with clerics.

Why does everyone get stuck at the word Cleric.
And I highly doubt we will see the comback of AW until we see more of Tevinter. I don't ask for an AW, I don't sugest someone that is casting divine powers, what I'm sugesting is a (non-)playable class/subclass that is only inspired by the D&D Cleric but could still fit within DA lore.

Modifié par freche, 02 novembre 2012 - 11:44 .

[Sidney]

Isn't that sort of what Spirit Healer fills the role of? someone who casts buff and heal spells. Never thought the lousy fighter function was all that critical to the cleric function.

[Guns]

Let's try and take as little as possible from that trash game World of Warcraft...

[goofyomnivore]

You could make a Cleric/Paladin if they removed weapon restrictions, even without Arcane Warrior. I thought that was one of the worst things in DA ][. Limiting combat options to create 'distinct' classes. Not saying distinct classes are bad, but it isn't a very good model if you have don't have more than THREE classes.

Modifié par strive, 02 novembre 2012 - 02:35 .

[TsaiMeLemoni]

Sidney wrote...

Isn't that sort of what Spirit Healer fills the role of? someone who casts buff and heal spells. Never thought the lousy fighter function was all that critical to the cleric function.

This was my thought.

Making a whole other class that can do what other classes are already capable of seems redundant to me.

[Fyurian2]

Guns wrote...

Let's try and take as little as possible from that trash game World of Warcraft...

Or, I know this is going a little crazy here, why not look on it as taking something from Bioware's D&D game days, like Baldur's Gate or NWN!

Y'know, games that predate World of Warcraft but still had Clerics!

Modifié par Fyurian2, 02 novembre 2012 - 04:06 .

[unbentbuzzkill]

if you want a cleric type of build play DA:O AND DA:A make a mage with arcan warrior, spirt healer,battlemage,and keeper specs there instant cleric.

[Maclimes]

The main character should probably not be assigned a "support" role. I know it's pedantic, but the hero should be ... well ... heroic.

[unbentbuzzkill]

clerics can be heroic ithink?.........oh i know what about? no wait he was a side kick, now that you mention it i can't think of any cleric that is a hero of a story.

[InfinitePaths]

My first warden was a spirit healer/creationist.

[freche]

Rewrote the entire OP, since most people can't see past the word Cleric.

@Maclimes You don't become heroic because you use a Bow, Staff or Sword. I wouldn't consider a sneaky rogue heroic either. But in the end it's what you do that decides if you will be heroic or not. And it's a game you are supposed to become badass and put into situations where you will eventually become a hero. They could let us play as a waitress and we would end up being heroes.

@Unbentbuzzkill I don't want to play an Arcane Warrior in DAO/DAA. Also I have played several heroic Clerics in games like BG, IWD & NWN

[Maria Caliban]

Guns wrote...

Let's try and take as little as possible from that trash game World of Warcraft...

Not sure if srs.

[Xewaka]

I still think a Warlord (as in D&D 4th ed core class) spec for warrior would be fun. Mostly because healing people by shouting at them always amuses me.

[Fredward]

I've never really seen why mages couldn't also hit people with swords... Or sneak, you'd think magic would help with that. I think if Cole is in the game he'll kinda blur the lines. And I will be jelly. Because I want to play a mage that uses magic to sneak up to people and stab them in their soft bits.

[FDrage]

Ah ... the good old "arcan warrior" *sighs*

Guns wrote...

Let's try and take as little as possible from that trash game World of Warcraft...

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[Guns]

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