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#51
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Whatever it is, I'm going to buy it. At least Bioware is honest enough to tell us the reason for their day-one DLC is to make more money. OK, I knew as much, take my money, give me the DLC, appreciate the honesty.

Companies like modern day Capcom make me want to vomit the way they dance around giving reasons for day-one, on-disc DLC (if you can even call it DLC at that point). I mean, we all know it's there to increase profit, but to hear a person from the company actually say it is astonishingly refreshing, and, frankly, very human. It helps me be OK with the idea that I'm paying over $100 for a game tagged $60.

I will buy all Dragon Age day-one DLC, not only but mostly because Bioware took the sword by the handle and cut the bulls**t; their bottom line is to make money, mine is to enjoy a great RPG, if there is a situation where we can both be satisfied, then smiles await us.

Modifié par Scarlet Rabbi, 02 novembre 2012 - 08:11 .


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Wow, last I heard was the DA3 announcement. Any how, I'm not even gonna pre-order the game, let a lone get day one DLC..

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I don't mind it done like Shale & Zaeed. You get a free character for buying it new, or you have to buy it if you bought it used. Sebastian & Javik cost money, so I never bothered. Isn't that the way you're supposed to protest this kind of stuff?

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Weapon + armour and a companion. With some luck, maybe even a solid side story mission...

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 To be totally honest with you, my reaction after discovering this topic, my absolutely first reaction, was: this is excatly what you deserve. Few years back people were shocked when someone was talking about DLC AT ALL. Then, the day one DLC came out, then we speculate about character of the future DLC. Next thing you know, there's gonna be full, $60 price for a game, day zero DLC, bunch of plot DLC to follow, item packs (without them you cannot complete the game, cause there will be so useful, powerfull, etc).

So no thank you. I'm not gonna give any company a reason to make this crap. Don't buy them, don't get excited, and maybe, just maybe, someone on the top wil bring back games in the shape that we're all pay for. Over and out.

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^

Hmmm. I'm thinking you didn't read the actual original post at all. Either that, or you just love being huffy!

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Favourite store on the CitadeI wrote...

Wow, last I heard was the DA3 announcement. Any how, I'm not even gonna pre-order the game, let a lone get day one DLC..


I'm just waiting for them to try and incorporate motion controls and for xbox to ban used games before I go on a torrent spree and then swallow the barrel of my shotgun.

Modifié par Guns, 02 novembre 2012 - 08:44 .


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Maria Caliban wrote...

In ten years, this conversation will die down because people will think of video games the same way they think of cars, meals, and haircuts.

In ten years DLC as we think of it today will be a thing of the past; we'll all have moved on to the next method of content distribution for games, whatsoever that may be.

But back on topic... the idea of buying a "complete" boxed product and then having to pay extra to unlock a part of it that is clearly already included does not psychologically sit well with people. Haircuts and cars aren't an appropriate analogy; in both cases you are paying more money to get something which was not fundamentally present in the basic package, whether that be an additional service (styling) or heated seats.

Try this analogy instead - I buy a new phone, which has a camera installed, but I can't use the camera until I pay an additional fee. That's a punch in the gut, right? That's what "in-the-box" DLC feels like. All the developer arguments are still valid - eg. "it wouldn't have been done at all if we weren't going to charge for it" - but that doesn't lessen the feeling of "screw you, customer." I also personally believe it's a dangerous path - what else should we expect to be stripped out of our games in the future?

(Mass Effect 3 has already tried selling a game without an ending... sorry, couldn't resist!)

Let's take another example, back in the software world. Windows 7 ships in (among others) the following three versions: Home Premium, Professional and Ultimate. All of the software for these three versions can be present and installed from the same disc, but each version costs progessively more. Why does this feel acceptable?

I would argue that it's because the features in Pro and Ultimate are targeted at specific users (power, enterprise, whoever), and are completely unnecessary and superfluous to users of the lesser product (Home P). This is not the case with a piece of game DLC, which in theory could and would be enjoyed by the majority of the game's audience, turning the purchase decision into some kind of elitist "well I got more/a better game because I spent more money than you did". Not awesome.

(Of course, the above psychological impact could be solved by simply not packaging DLC on the disc, and forcing the user to download it every time, at huge inconvenience to both the user and the developer. Not really an improvement!)

DLC isn't going anywhere - the distribution method is too convenient and the income stream too tempting - but I think developers and publishers are (excuse the phrase) peeing into the wind at the moment, just waiting to see how long they can carry on with the current model until someone gets wet.

So please. Think about why you're making DLC, who it's actually for, and what those members of your audience who don't buy it are thinking.

Modifié par AlexJK, 02 novembre 2012 - 08:53 .


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Fast Jimmy wrote...

^

Hmmm. I'm thinking you didn't read the actual original post at all. Either that, or you just love being huffy!


Hahah, sorry for that.

So I bet we're gonna get companion with a recruitment part of the plot, all already on the disc, and what we're gonna buy for 1200 BioWare/Microsoft points is a small thing to unlock it and get achievement for being so called 'a loyal fan'.

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I didn't really mind it when it came with every new copy of a game, making it just a way of fighting used games.  But the last two games it was not only preorder exclusive but LE preorder exclusive.  And the characters they cut out are more vital and intigrated into the games then before to salt that wound.

They really need to stop doing that, its just an awful business practice that might make them more short term money but at the cost of pissing off consumers. 

So Bioware if your reading this, go ahead and do a buy-new dlc like Zaeed and Shale, thats fine.  But please for the love of not playing one of the greediest nastiest cards in the gaming industry, don't make them LE preorder exclusive again.  A person who buys your game on launch day for $60 shouldn't be punished, thats just horrible. 

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Please, no day one dlc.
Neither special editions.
In my country is hard to find them.

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easy whatever we didn't get in the DA2 exalted march will be day one dlc, plus maybe a new companion.

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It will go like this...
Normal Copy owners can expect to pay £10 to unlock something already on the disc, vital to the plot and the story.
Or you can pay £20 and get that, and some pictures, and some weapons with it, in a 'Limited (ho ho) Edition' (that isn't actually limited anymore, and you can pick it up pretty much anytime), and all the other stuff is free, pictures etc, everywhere. I mean if you paid for the soundtrack of any of the MEs in the 'Collectors' edition, go make yourself a free spotify, and poof its there.

So this is the choice.
Get a nicer box and the dlc for £60
Get the game for £40 and then buy the dlc for £10.
But as for it free with new copies? NAAH! This is the Bioware and EA show guys!? If they CAN charge you for it, they WILL!

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Actually i have a feeling it will be about the ending.more of a hidden flushed path, that all the "writers" couldnt agree upon or work out during the game dev.and yes im being serious

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Vital to the plot Dandy? There hasn't been a day one DLC yet that has been vital to the plot.

Anyways, It's probably going to be some companion again. I personally hope that they introduce a mabari again! Either main game, or what DA2 did for the last Mabari. I love that dog.

Modifié par Zenor, 02 novembre 2012 - 11:05 .


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Fast Jimmy wrote...

I'd rather they have a mod kit as Day One DLC. Or optional Multiplayer as D1DLC.

Instead, we will get content that has been planned for months and hand-picked to be DLC, forced Multiplayer and no mod kit.

What a world, what a world...

Every DLC pack, regardless of when it comes out, has likely been planned prior to the release of the main game.

How dare those evil, evil game companies be organized, right?

A mod kit would be completely ****ty DLC. It's only useful for the people that have the skill to make mods, and console users wouldn't have any access to it anyway.

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Doctor Moustache wrote...

I didn't really mind it when it came with every new copy of a game, making it just a way of fighting used games.  But the last two games it was not only preorder exclusive but LE preorder exclusive.  And the characters they cut out are more vital and intigrated into the games then before to salt that wound.

They really need to stop doing that, its just an awful business practice that might make them more short term money but at the cost of pissing off consumers. 

So Bioware if your reading this, go ahead and do a buy-new dlc like Zaeed and Shale, thats fine.  But please for the love of not playing one of the greediest nastiest cards in the gaming industry, don't make them LE preorder exclusive again.  A person who buys your game on launch day for $60 shouldn't be punished, thats just horrible. 

People pay more for the Limited Edition, so they should get extra game content.

Nobody is being "punished", unless you think you're being punished by the universe at large, every time somebody gets something that you don't.

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^ See, that's what AlexJK meant. I hate that 'huh, I got more monies than you so I'm better' attitude created by DLC.

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Also, Plaintiff, not everybody's got access to DLC, as some poster above mentioned. It's not because you can get your hands on one that everybody can. But that doesn't matter, right?

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andocrack wrote...

I don't mind it done like Shale & Zaeed. You get a free character for buying it new, or you have to buy it if you bought it used. Sebastian & Javik cost money, so I never bothered. Isn't that the way you're supposed to protest this kind of stuff?


Yeah, as long as it's "Free with new copy" I don't mind Day 1 dlc.

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Probably something that will only be in collector's editions or cost money. Coming "free" with a new regular copy doesn't go far enough.

Of course we need the ability to buy randomized multiplayer weapons/armor/character packs for real money. That addition in ME3 is one of the most delightfully sadistic "DLC" offerings I've ever seen. Whoever came up with that deserves a promotion, or should run a casino somewhere.

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pretty idiotic to complain about day 1 dlc. would it truly be any different if it was released a week later? bioware would have carried an already completed dlc for a week, what would be the point in that. simply put, as with any dlc its a choice. download it right away, after one playthrough or hell even a year, its only companion dlc that doesnt have an effect on the main plot

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I started watching Firefly today on netflix. Could you imagine having to pay extra for all the scenes with Inara?

I'm sure someone at EA and Bioware could. 

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Right, it's idiotic to complain about something you have to pay extra for that should have been included on-disc. Day one DLC is just a way for the company to get the consumer to shell out extra money for content that should have been shipped with the full game, and it works. It's not right, in my opinion, but it works. There will always be idiots out there willing to mindlessly hand their money away just to get the "complete experience".

Modifié par Flashflame58, 03 novembre 2012 - 12:47 .


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Romanceable companion. Possibly female Kossith because it's "exotic" to the BioWare fan community, judging from a certain thread.

Modifié par CrustyBot, 03 novembre 2012 - 12:54 .