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[Galifreya]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

In the existing framework? Shoot the tube without walking into the explosion. I mean, he survived in my canon, but it would take a long time to live that piece of dumbassery down.

If I had written it? The Crucible turns out to be a Reaper trap - it reopens the Citadel Relay, and starts letting them pour through in FULL strength. To stop them, the Normandy has to go through the Citadel Relay into Dark Space, where the other end of the connection - a "dark citadel" - is found. They board this structure, discovering that it houses many hundreds of thousands of pods, each containing a unique alien.

The Reapers harvest entire species to build more of themselves, but they keep one individual from each race to serve as the master control unit, the "mind," of each new Reaper, and they wanted Shepard to be the next one (full credit to LT Ashler for this part of it). Their motives are tied to dark energy - it's a natural phenomenon, but it will lead to the inevitable death of the suns organic life depends on, each lighting up like Haestrom's sun, sooner than we expect. The Reapers preserved species in a form that could survive without them - achieving a form of immortality.

Kill the master control unit, the pod-bound "mind" of a Reaper, and you kill the Reaper itself. Destroy the Dark Citadel, and you'll kill them all.

EXCELLENT. This is superb.

[element eater]

if shep got back with the surviving crew id be happy.
wouldnt realy care beyond that tbh or atleast i wouldnt be pissed of enough to be unsatisfied

with in the current ending id also realy like high ems destroy to not kill the geth 

Modifié par element eater, 02 novembre 2012 - 07:11 .

[Grubas]

Suicide mission on steroids. 'Klick'

Modifié par Grubas, 02 novembre 2012 - 07:08 .

[Armass81]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

In the existing framework? Shoot the tube without walking into the explosion. I mean, he survived in my canon, but it would take a long time to live that piece of dumbassery down.

If I had written it? The Crucible turns out to be a Reaper trap - it reopens the Citadel Relay, and starts letting them pour through in FULL strength. To stop them, the Normandy has to go through the Citadel Relay into Dark Space, where the other end of the connection - a "dark citadel" - is found. They board this structure, fighting husks of species processed in previous cycles (Inusannon FTW!) and discovering that it houses many hundreds of thousands of pods, each containing a unique alien.

The Reapers harvest entire species to build more of themselves, but they keep one individual from each race to serve as the master control unit, the "mind," of each new Reaper, and they wanted Shepard to be the next one (full credit to LT Ashler for this part of it). Their motives are tied to dark energy - it's a natural phenomenon, but it will lead to the inevitable death of the suns organic life depends on, each lighting up like Haestrom's sun, sooner than we expect. The Reapers preserved species in a form that could survive without them - achieving a form of immortality.

Kill the master control unit, the pod-bound "mind" of a Reaper, and you kill the Reaper itself. Destroy the Dark Citadel, and you'll kill them all.

But Shepard was dead in the beginning of ME2, when the collectors wanted his body, what would they have done with a dead body for a master control unit?

And im a little confused here, a master mind in a dark citadel? Isnt the reaper already made of millions of minds inside of it? How can destroying something separate kill the whole thing? Human reaper clearly worked without Shepard or any other human being in the dark citadel.

Modifié par Armass81, 02 novembre 2012 - 07:27 .

[DeinonSlayer]

Armass81 wrote...

But Shepard was dead in the beginning of ME2, when the collectors wanted his body, what would they have done with a dead body for a master control unit?

Cerberus brought him back. I'd think the Reapers more than capable. Either way, it gives both the Haestrom dark energy plot and Harby's line about preserving Shepard a purpose, rather than more loose ends.

[Armass81]

Grubas wrote...

Suicide mission on steroids. 'Klick'

Something like this would have been best in my opinion too. Reapers motives were not too important, what ulitmately mattered was stopping them, like Vigil said.

Maybe leave something like that for the sequels.

Modifié par Armass81, 02 novembre 2012 - 07:29 .

[DeinonSlayer]

Question then would be, who stays to guard the bomb? If you have the Normandy thanix the crap out of the Dark Citadel, the relay would go offline and the ship would be stranded so far out in Dark Space that NONE of the crew would make it home. Have to drop a bomb and have someone guard it until it goes off. Who stays behind? Shepard? Or one of the squad? Virmire all over again.

It'd be a much more compelling question if you didn't have a suicidal Prothean on board who was hell-bent on destroying the Reapers. Javik would want to guard that bomb. But just for a moment, picture Shepard and his/her LI fighting alone, side-by-side, covering the Normandy's escape through the relay and fighting off myriad husks up until the bomb blows.

[Armass81]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Question then would be, who stays to guard the bomb? If you have the Normandy thanix the crap out of the Dark Citadel, the relay would go offline and the ship would be stranded so far out in Dark Space that NONE of the crew would make it home. Have to drop a bomb and have someone guard it until it goes off. Who stays behind? Shepard? Or one of the squad? Virmire all over again.

It'd be a much more compelling question if you didn't have a suicidal Prothean on board who was hell-bent on destroying the Reapers. Javik would want to guard that bomb. But just for a moment, picture Shepard and his/her LI fighting alone, side-by-side, covering the Normandy's escape through the relay and fighting off myriad husks up until the bomb blows.

What bomb? Where do they get a bomb of that magnitude that can destroy a citadel? And wouldnt that imply they somehow clairvoyantly know the dark citadel can destroy all the reapers before they actually get to visit it if they bring the bomb with them?

Modifié par Armass81, 02 novembre 2012 - 07:36 .

[Grubas]

Armass81 wrote...

Grubas wrote...

Suicide mission on steroids. 'Klick'

Something like this would have been best in my opinion too. Reapers motives were not too important, what ulitmately mattered was stopping them, like Vigil said.

Maybe leave something like that for the sequels.

the story is, as it is... but they could have offered at least proper gameplay.

Modifié par Grubas, 02 novembre 2012 - 07:33 .

[DeinonSlayer]

Armass81 wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Question then would be, who stays to guard the bomb? If you have the Normandy thanix the crap out of the Dark Citadel, the relay would go offline and the ship would be stranded so far out in Dark Space that NONE of the crew would make it home. Have to drop a bomb and have someone guard it until it goes off. Who stays behind? Shepard? Or one of the squad? Virmire all over again.

It'd be a much more compelling question if you didn't have a suicidal Prothean on board who was hell-bent on destroying the Reapers. Javik would want to guard that bomb. But just for a moment, picture Shepard and his/her LI fighting alone, side-by-side, covering the Normandy's escape through the relay and fighting off myriad husks up until the bomb blows.

What bomb? Where do they get a bomb of that magnitude?

This is just a work in progress. The Virmire bomb was fashioned from the drive core of the STG ship. Smaller than the Tantalus on board the Normandy. Normandy could still get back without its drive core - they'd just have to limp back through the relay - they'd just be incapable of FTL without one.

[Steelcan]

If I had the power to change the story.

Basically everything would be the same until Sanctuary, there Miranda joins your squad, wait unrelated...... Ok at Sanctuary you recover Cerberus's data on controlling reaper forces. You then utilize this technology to counter indoctrination on friendly forces, and if you saved the Collector base, you can use it to control Reaper forces, and use the Cerberus variant of this that they use to control their soldiers.

You then follow up this to Cronos Station where you confront TIM, in person no QEC. If you saved the collector base you can convince him to join forces with you. This allows you full access to Cerberus's resources, what's left of them. If you did not save the base, TIM confrontation plays out with being forced to kill/convince him to commit suicide. You recover the VI and discover that the Citadel is the Catalyst for the Crucible.

You have two missions on Earth following. One you secure a nuclear payload to use against the Reapers, and the other you rescue some Alliance soldiers, but you cannot do both. These give you some last minute war assets.

The Citadel is still taken by the Reapers but instead of it being connected to London? It is hovering over the Antarctic. You lead the fleets to Earth and the fleets then attack the Reapers near the Crucible. The fleets then surround the Citadel while your "Hammer" forces assault the Citadel. You lead a strike team to try and secure the Presidium tower, a call back to ME ending. You open the ame and get the Crucible to dock.all the while you have to send assets and squadmates to different areas of the Citadel to hold back the reapers.

When the Crucible docks TIM talks to you again. He says that his scientists have been able to control Reaper ships. You look out over the battle and several destroyers are in fact fighting each other. With this proof he asks you to use the Crucible as an antenna to broadcast the reaper control signal across the Galaxy with them being firmly under Humanity's control. Or you can use the Crucible's intended function to destroy the reapers with basically an EMP. It powers down the relays and Citadel but does not physically damage them.

If you pick destroy and you cannot convince TIM that it is the best option he turns on you and you have to kill him and some Cerberus troops. If you convince him he backs down and is taken into custody by the Alliance. No synthesis, no Starbrat. In the following slides if TIM is still alive you see a sequence of him escaping Alliance custody and building a new station.

The lower your war assets, no EMS, the more devastation the reapers inflict. If its too low then squadmates and assets start to die.

[Mr.House]

My personal headcanon, along with a redone battle for Earth I'm personally writing for my self and friends, just waiting till Omega to release so I see what happens so I can change some of the Citadel battle parts. Ending though(beam run and on) completed. Suffice to say everything from that and to the end of the war, plus post-war is nothing like the game.

Here's one little sample, Shepard does not activate the crucible.

Modifié par Mr.House, 02 novembre 2012 - 07:40 .

[Armass81]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Armass81 wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Question then would be, who stays to guard the bomb? If you have the Normandy thanix the crap out of the Dark Citadel, the relay would go offline and the ship would be stranded so far out in Dark Space that NONE of the crew would make it home. Have to drop a bomb and have someone guard it until it goes off. Who stays behind? Shepard? Or one of the squad? Virmire all over again.

It'd be a much more compelling question if you didn't have a suicidal Prothean on board who was hell-bent on destroying the Reapers. Javik would want to guard that bomb. But just for a moment, picture Shepard and his/her LI fighting alone, side-by-side, covering the Normandy's escape through the relay and fighting off myriad husks up until the bomb blows.

What bomb? Where do they get a bomb of that magnitude?

This is just a work in progress. The Virmire bomb was fashioned from the drive core of the STG ship. Smaller than the Tantalus on board the Normandy. Normandy could still get back without its drive core - they'd just have to limp back through the relay - they'd just be incapable of FTL without one.

Might work actually...hmm not bad. Some questions still, but not bad at all. Seeing a spooky twin of the citadel with thousands of living dead like aliens inside tubes would have been freaky as hell and fun.

Modifié par Armass81, 02 novembre 2012 - 07:40 .

[Ithurael]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

In the existing framework? Shoot the tube without walking into the explosion. I mean, he survived in my canon, but it would take a long time to live that piece of dumbassery down.

If I had written it? The Crucible turns out to be a Reaper trap - it reopens the Citadel Relay, and starts letting them pour through in FULL strength. To stop them, the Normandy has to go through the Citadel Relay into Dark Space, where the other end of the connection - a "dark citadel" - is found. They board this structure, discovering that it houses many hundreds of thousands of pods, each containing a unique alien.

The Reapers harvest entire species to build more of themselves, but they keep one individual from each race to serve as the master control unit, the "mind," of each new Reaper, and they wanted Shepard to be the next one (full credit to LT Ashler for this part of it). Their motives are tied to dark energy - it's a natural phenomenon, but it will lead to the inevitable death of the suns organic life depends on, each lighting up like Haestrom's sun, sooner than we expect. The Reapers preserved species in a form that could survive without them - achieving a form of immortality.

Kill the master control unit, the pod-bound "mind" of a Reaper, and you kill the Reaper itself. Destroy the Dark Citadel, and you'll kill them all.

Wow!

Quite brilliant.

I always thought the reapers would have had a motivation that was trans-galactic as they thematically were alien to the galaxy itself (residing in dark space). This kind of ending gives so many different ways that I could think of ending a trilogy.

I have to say...quite well done sir.

[DeinonSlayer]

Armass81 wrote...

And im a little confused here, a master mind in a dark citadel? Isnt the reaper already made of millions of minds inside of it? How can destroying something separate kill the whole thing? Human reaper clearly worked without Shepard or any other human being in the dark citadel.

Maybe killing the "brain" doesn't outright kill the Reaper itself. Maybe it just drops its shields and reduces it to animal intelligence, no better than the human-reaper, writhing aimlessly in space with a billion trapped, conflicted minds screaming for control and no master voice to guide them. Easy prey for an allied ship to put out of its misery.

[Luder09]

I wouldn't call it an "ideal" ending but it would have worked for me.

For starters, expunge the magic elevator and all of the crap after it, no star kid, no red/green/blue. The Crucible would have been the dreaded "Reaper Off Button"

I would have had the game basically end during the final conversation with Anderson.."Best seats in the house"

Low EMS: Hackett calls out that the Crucible isn't working, Shepard crawls his way to the control panel to activate it and bleeds out, Reapers win, Epilogue showing all the death, destruction, cycle continues.

Med EMS: Crucible isn't working, Shepard crawls his way to the panel, hits the button, most Reapers are destroyed, some escape to dark space, there is uncertainty whether the cycle continues since the escaped Reapers could possibly rebuild and come back.There is peace for now. Shepard passes on after a brief reunion with squad mates/LI due to his injuries.

High EMS: The Rainbow/Unicorn ending, Reapers destroyed, Shep lives, reunion with LI and squaddies. House on Rannoch or little blue babies or whatever, everyone lives happily ever after.

[Armass81]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Armass81 wrote...

And im a little confused here, a master mind in a dark citadel? Isnt the reaper already made of millions of minds inside of it? How can destroying something separate kill the whole thing? Human reaper clearly worked without Shepard or any other human being in the dark citadel.

Maybe killing the "brain" doesn't outright kill the Reaper itself. Maybe it just drops its shields and reduces it to animal intelligence, no better than the human-reaper, writhing aimlessly in space with a billion trapped, conflicted minds screaming for control and no master voice to guide them. Easy prey for an allied ship to put out of its misery.

Ok, makes sense. It would also go with Sovereigns "each a nation" speech. Every nation has a leader, and mastermind would be it for every reaper nation. Shepard was to be humanitys.

So dark energy problem would be solved in sequels huh? Hopefully with something less ridiculous than "superiour human DNA".

Modifié par Armass81, 02 novembre 2012 - 08:33 .

[ATiBotka]

Grubas wrote...

Suicide mission on steroids. 'Klick'

Awesome.

[DeinonSlayer]

Armass81 wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Armass81 wrote...

And im a little confused here, a master mind in a dark citadel? Isnt the reaper already made of millions of minds inside of it? How can destroying something separate kill the whole thing? Human reaper clearly worked without Shepard or any other human being in the dark citadel.

Maybe killing the "brain" doesn't outright kill the Reaper itself. Maybe it just drops its shields and reduces it to animal intelligence, no better than the human-reaper, writhing aimlessly in space with a billion trapped, conflicted minds screaming for control and no master voice to guide them. Easy prey for an allied ship to put out of its misery.

Ok, makes sense. So dark energy problem would be solved in sequels huh? Hopefully with something less ridiculous than "superiour human DNA".

It'd be a problem in the future, yeah. The Reapers had no plan or intention to counter it - they were immune, nestled out in dark space without a care in the world. I never liked the racial supremacy aspect of the "superior human DNA" subplot anyway.

[Armass81]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Armass81 wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Armass81 wrote...

And im a little confused here, a master mind in a dark citadel? Isnt the reaper already made of millions of minds inside of it? How can destroying something separate kill the whole thing? Human reaper clearly worked without Shepard or any other human being in the dark citadel.

Maybe killing the "brain" doesn't outright kill the Reaper itself. Maybe it just drops its shields and reduces it to animal intelligence, no better than the human-reaper, writhing aimlessly in space with a billion trapped, conflicted minds screaming for control and no master voice to guide them. Easy prey for an allied ship to put out of its misery.

Ok, makes sense. So dark energy problem would be solved in sequels huh? Hopefully with something less ridiculous than "superiour human DNA".

It'd be a problem in the future, yeah. The Reapers had no plan or intention to counter it - they were immune, nestled out in dark space without a care in the world. I never liked the racial supremacy aspect of the "superior human DNA" subplot anyway.

Me neither. Also would have been cool easter egg to see one tube in the Dark Citadel for the Sovereigns alien member called nazara. We destroyed the ship, not the mastermind. And it could have spoken to us or something. Maybe explained everything.

Modifié par Armass81, 02 novembre 2012 - 08:41 .

[DeinonSlayer]

Armass81 wrote...

Me neither. Also would have been cool easter egg to see one tube in the Dark Citadel for the Sovereigns alien member called nazara. We destroyed the ship, not the mastermind. And it could have spoken to us or something. Maybe explained everything.

Awesome. That, or walk up to another pod, wipe some condensation away, and meet the gaze of an enfeebled, emaciated alien that says "WE... ARE... HARBINGER."

[CrimsonNephilim]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

In the existing framework? Shoot the tube without walking into the explosion. I mean, he survived in my canon, but it would take a long time to live that piece of dumbassery down.

If I had written it? The Crucible turns out to be a Reaper trap - it reopens the Citadel Relay, and starts letting them pour through in FULL strength. To stop them, the Normandy has to go through the Citadel Relay into Dark Space, where the other end of the connection - a "dark citadel" - is found. They board this structure, fighting husks of species processed in previous cycles (Inusannon FTW!) and discovering that it houses many hundreds of thousands of pods, each containing a unique alien.

The Reapers harvest entire species to build more of themselves, but they keep one individual from each race to serve as the master control unit, the "mind," of each new Reaper, and they wanted Shepard to be the next one (full credit to LT Ashler for this part of it). Their motives are tied to dark energy - it's a natural phenomenon, but it will lead to the inevitable death of the suns organic life depends on, each lighting up like Haestrom's sun, sooner than we expect. The Reapers preserved species in a form that could survive without them - achieving a form of immortality.

Kill the master control unit, the pod-bound "mind" of a Reaper, and you kill the Reaper itself. Destroy the Dark Citadel, and you'll kill them all.

I like it!

You win the internetz! 

[Armass81]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Armass81 wrote...

Me neither. Also would have been cool easter egg to see one tube in the Dark Citadel for the Sovereigns alien member called nazara. We destroyed the ship, not the mastermind. And it could have spoken to us or something. Maybe explained everything.

Awesome. That, or walk up to another pod, wipe some condensation away, and meet the gaze of an enfeebled, emaciated alien that says "WE... ARE... HARBINGER."

What would you have changed with cerberus, if anything?

[Ryudoz28]

Shepard becomes The hulk :

[Iakus]

I should also add to my original post 

also in Destroy:  a Good-bye scene for EDI and/or the geth at least on par with Mordin's "Had to be me" or Anderson's "You did good, son"

Hackett acknowledges the sacrifice of synthetic life.