slimgrin wrote...
AllThatJazz wrote...
Ooh, Triss in TW2 is annoying as all hell to me. She can't seem to get anywhere without needing to be rescued by big stwong Gewalt. She needs saving in Every. Single. Act. Triss being weak and helpless and a bit useless seems to be the thing that gives the plot its momentum. In fact, nearly all the women in TW2 are either completely manipulative beyotches or helpless victims (Philippa even starts out as the former and then becomes the latter at the end). The only exception to this is Ves, who rewards getting smacked down by Geralt by letting him into her pants. Yay. And even the new 'character' (Yennefer) who is introduced in TW2, is yet another female who will presumably need rescuing at some point.
I really like TW games, they are a lot of fun. But the main female characters were far better presented in the first game, I thought. Neither Shani nor Triss were pathetic - they were both strong and independent, their entire existence didn't revolve around Geralt even though they both clearly liked him, and they both had their own agendas and lives to lead. In TW2, Shani has disappeared altogether and Triss has been reduced to a standard damsel in constant distress type.
It's not an 'OMG I'm never buying another CDPR game!' moment or anything, but it is disappointing to see so many incredibly two-dimensional female characters in a game that otherwise excels at characterisation (Roche, Iorveth, Dandelion, Zoltan etc are all wonderfully portrayed).
I do like that some Bioware women (Aveline, Morrigan, Samara especially for me) seem to have a little something more about them than either being easy and malleable shag muffins for the central character, or evil master manipulators with no redeeming features aside from the purely physical.
Er, sorry for heading off topic. At any rate, I would rather see well-drawn characters in general than romances or sexual encounters, if such a choice has to be made. But I really have no worries about 'well-drawn characters' with Obsidian.
I don't even know where to begin...
-Triss bails Geralt out of trouble far more than the other way around. As a man, that doesn't bother me. It really seems to bother some women though when a female character gets rescued. 
-Yes, some of the sorceresses are manipulative b*tches. Again, it's that way in the books, and there's reasons for it, though they won't be palattable to everyone.
-Phillippa Eilhart, helpless? Please. There isn't a single other character in the Witcher games I'd rather not ****** off.
-Look at Vess' background - elven sex slave. She has something to prove, that she's no man's plaything. That's why she won't sleep with you until you treat her as an equal. Anyways, yes, off topic but I think you're way off base there.
Oh, you shouldn't feel like you don't know where to begin. Debating is fun! And all opinions are valid. as long as we remain respectful to one another, all will be well
Wasn't Philippa blinded and left for dead in the Dungeons, where Geralt had the option to rescue her or kill her? So yes, over the course of the game she goes from unrepentantly manipulative and nasty, to helpless and powerless victim whose fate can be decided by Geralt.
Honestly not sure I recall Triss bailing out Geralt in TW2 much. TW1? Yes. But in TW2, I recall Triss needing to be carried by Roche after she faints when her magic fails; Triss being kidnapped by Letho; Triss being kidnapped and held hostage by Nilfgaardian spies. Triss then being rescued either by Letho or Geralt. Would maybe have been nice if she could have got herself out of trouble just once.
If Ves is no man's plaything, then why make her shaggable by Geralt at all? It would surely have made more logical sense in that case to have her tell Geralt to get lost, or that she only likes him as a friend, or even tell him that he needs to prove himself a bit more or something (setting up an encounter in the next game or whatever). Having sex with Geralt after he defeats her in combat doesn't say 'no man's plaything'. It says 'man's plaything provided he kicks the crap out of her first'. She's come a loooong way from that elven sex slave mentality
Hah, I certainly don't object to the odd occasion of a woman (or man, or child or dog or whatever) needing to be rescued occasionally in games, I am very used to that plot device by now
. Having been a gamer for twenty years now, I'm way past being offended by silly female stereotypes, as much as I would like to see a bit more creativity from game developers in this regard. It struck me as being an overused narrative device in TW2, is all, particularly with regard to Triss.
Guess we'll agree to disagree on that.
Modifié par AllThatJazz, 04 novembre 2012 - 06:35 .
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Aw, was that supposed to be an insult?
