NV did have sex and flirting. If anything, expect PS:T or NV take on sex and flirting. Not the Bioware outlook on it.Kathleen321 wrote...
Fallout NV had brilliant story without romance. It can be done.
Modifié par Mr.House, 04 novembre 2012 - 09:53 .
Mr.House wrote...
NV did have sex and flirting. If anything, expect PS:T or NV take on sex and flirting. Not the Bioware outlook on it.Kathleen321 wrote...
Fallout NV had brilliant story without romance. It can be done.
Benny, Red Lucy and Sarah Wientraub.Masha Potato wrote...
NV had sex outide of prostitutes?
Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 04 novembre 2012 - 10:02 .
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Modifié par Filament, 04 novembre 2012 - 10:12 .
"Issues"? He thinks happy endings are boring. That's a writerly point of view, and a valid one. If it's not your cup of tea, that's another thing.Filament wrote...
I have no hate for Avellone, but I think he has some issues the way he describes romance, and the romances in his games have never been anything special imo. Certainly not heads and shoulders above what bioware puts out like some people here seem to believe.
You also had some more bittersweet, thoughtful flirting with Christine if you have the perk, and some very funny lines for Black Widow.Mr.House wrote...
NV did have sex and flirting. If anything, expect PS:T or NV take on sex and flirting. Not the Bioware outlook on it.Kathleen321 wrote...
Fallout NV had brilliant story without romance. It can be done.
Agreed.Pedrak wrote...
But I don't see how anyone can deny that on the Bio forums the focus on romance is over-the-top and borderline pathologic. And I suspect the strong reaction of some people (including Avellone?) toward romances in RPGs stems not from the romances themselves - which are, after all, almost always avoidable, and can be done well - but from this kind of fandom. Just like the hate toward Twilight comes not from a badly-written and soon-to-be-forgotten book/movie series, but from its adoring and very vocal fandom.
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Modifié par Persephone, 04 novembre 2012 - 10:32 .
You don't think he's joking a bit? Man's got a girlfriend, I'm sure he kisses just fine.Filament wrote...
He needed George Ziets to explain love to him for MotB, he thinks kissing is icky, and apparently the only romances he likes to write are soul sucking nightmares, which seem to go a little beyond just not liking happy endings.
Persephone wrote...
Sorry to chime in once more but:
Bioware romances, at least every single one of them I've encountered, are completely OPTIONAL. As in: Don't want one in your game? Don't pursue one.
The ones that I like do enhance the main plot significantly (Alistair, Anders, Morrigan, Isabela, Bastila....) and I think that's grand. I even like some that are not plot-heavy but merely but lots of the R into RPG to me: Thane, for example.
I don't see the problem as long as my character isn't forced into bed with someone I do not want there.
Modifié par slimgrin, 04 novembre 2012 - 10:34 .
Exactly. They want the girls and emo guys $$$.slimgrin wrote...
Persephone wrote...
Sorry to chime in once more but:
Bioware romances, at least every single one of them I've encountered, are completely OPTIONAL. As in: Don't want one in your game? Don't pursue one.
The ones that I like do enhance the main plot significantly (Alistair, Anders, Morrigan, Isabela, Bastila....) and I think that's grand. I even like some that are not plot-heavy but merely but lots of the R into RPG to me: Thane, for example.
I don't see the problem as long as my character isn't forced into bed with someone I do not want there.
Optional indeed. I wonder how much effort is spent on creating this optional content. Don't kid yourself, they know it's a selling point.
slimgrin wrote...
Persephone wrote...
Sorry to chime in once more but:
Bioware romances, at least every single one of them I've encountered, are completely OPTIONAL. As in: Don't want one in your game? Don't pursue one.
The ones that I like do enhance the main plot significantly (Alistair, Anders, Morrigan, Isabela, Bastila....) and I think that's grand. I even like some that are not plot-heavy but merely but lots of the R into RPG to me: Thane, for example.
I don't see the problem as long as my character isn't forced into bed with someone I do not want there.
Optional indeed. I wonder how much effort is spent on creating this optional content. Don't kid yourself, they know it's a selling point.
bussinrounds wrote...
Exactly. They want the girls and emo guys $$$.slimgrin wrote...
Persephone wrote...
Sorry to chime in once more but:
Bioware romances, at least every single one of them I've encountered, are completely OPTIONAL. As in: Don't want one in your game? Don't pursue one.
The ones that I like do enhance the main plot significantly (Alistair, Anders, Morrigan, Isabela, Bastila....) and I think that's grand. I even like some that are not plot-heavy but merely but lots of the R into RPG to me: Thane, for example.
I don't see the problem as long as my character isn't forced into bed with someone I do not want there.
Optional indeed. I wonder how much effort is spent on creating this optional content. Don't kid yourself, they know it's a selling point.
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Well ok, he's probably joking, yeah.Addai67 wrote...
You don't think he's joking a bit? Man's got a girlfriend, I'm sure he kisses just fine.
While I like sweet romance stories, sometimes, I understand what he means about wanting to explore the full range of human relationships. Not everything is about sex and twu wub, and his POV is that even when you write about those things, you should twist them and see what comes out the other side. A side benefit is that you avoid cheesy, syrupy stereotypes.
TobiTobsen wrote...
Mr.House wrote...
NV did have sex and flirting. If anything, expect PS:T or NV take on sex and flirting. Not the Bioware outlook on it.Kathleen321 wrote...
Fallout NV had brilliant story without romance. It can be done.
Bah... I'm still mad at Cass that she banged some random NCR guy instead of my courier!
You could build an entire dungeon and quest where he devotes himself to replicating facsimiles of love, reducer a Higher Love to a baser thing and using NPCs he encounters as puppets for his experimentations, turning something supposedly beautiful into something filthy, mechanical, but surrounded by blank-eyed soul-twisted drones echoing all the hollow Disney-like platitudes and fairy tale existence where everyone lives happily ever after.
Persephone wrote...
slimgrin wrote...
Persephone wrote...
Sorry to chime in once more but:
Bioware romances, at least every single one of them I've encountered, are completely OPTIONAL. As in: Don't want one in your game? Don't pursue one.
The ones that I like do enhance the main plot significantly (Alistair, Anders, Morrigan, Isabela, Bastila....) and I think that's grand. I even like some that are not plot-heavy but merely but lots of the R into RPG to me: Thane, for example.
I don't see the problem as long as my character isn't forced into bed with someone I do not want there.
Optional indeed. I wonder how much effort is spent on creating this optional content. Don't kid yourself, they know it's a selling point.
I am not denying that whatsoever and I am glad that they are putting some effort into it. Otherwise "LOL amulet! Marry me!" or "Big heart over my head, marry me!" would be all I'd get in that department. (No, I do not like the Triss romance and Shani has been written out)
Milan92 wrote...
Skelter192 wrote...
Milan92 wrote...
And who the freck is Chris Avellone?
This makes me a little sad. He has worked on some of the best rpgs ever.
Excuse me for having a life outside of RPG's and all those things [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/wink.png[/smilie]
Omg, I hope he wasn't kidding, that sounds awesome!Chris Avellone wrote...
Or maybe I’d explore a veteran’s love affair with his craft of murder and allowing souls to be freed to travel beyond their bleeding shell, or a Cipher’s obsession with plucking the emotions of deep-rooted souls to try and see what makes people attracted to each other beyond their baser instincts and discovers love... specifically, his love of manipulating others. You could build an entire dungeon and quest where he devotes himself to replicating facsimiles of love, reducer a Higher Love to a baser thing and using NPCs he encounters as puppets for his experimentations, turning something supposedly beautiful into something filthy, mechanical, but surrounded by blank-eyed soul-twisted drones echoing all the hollow Disney-like platitudes and fairy tale existence where everyone lives happily ever after.
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