Arl Aemon was poisoned before the king died. The Couslands were slaughtered before the final battle at Ostagar. Given that Arl Aemon was Cailin's uncle and the most influential Arl in Ferelden, And Bryce Cousland was a very high noble of equal rank to Loghain and clearly loyal to Cailin because he sent all his men to Ostagar: Loghain had to kill Cailin because if the King had survived the battle, he would most definitely have removed Loghain's head as soon as he found out what had been done, father in law or not. Call it pre-emptive self defense if you want, but it was most definitely planned out ahead of time.
So, who really came up with the Ostagar Battle Plan?
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#127
Posté 05 janvier 2010 - 07:03
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Auridesion wrote...
As for whether I think Cailan planned the battle... during the meeting with Duncan, Cailan and Loghain that you attend after the joining, there is more dialogue which supports the notion that it was Loghain's strategy. Cailan asks Loghain to speak his strategy, and then interrupts him with an oh-yeah-now-I-remember comment. Supporting my interpretation (not to say that it's the right one), when Cailan asks who will light the signal, Loghain mentions that he has men stationed there, and that it isn't a dangerous task, but a vital one -- which suggests to me that a) Cailan wasn't really the mastermind behind this plan, andthat Loghain already had specific intentions regarding this particular "vital" task in the strategy (since it was going to be his excuse for retreating if the beacon remained unlit, and/or was lit to late.
[My apologies if I've pretty much said what someone else has said already.]
Also you can point out that it's Uldred who basically steps in and say that having to Grey Wardens run to light the beacon is unnessesary because the mages can do it, but that gets nixed by the Revered Mother. Uldred was already in Loghain's pocket at the time so...
#128
Posté 05 janvier 2010 - 07:04
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robertthebard wrote...
...and so, at that point, as someone that is in the Loghain's at fault camp, please stop posting this tripe. You are detracting from the discussion, not adding to it
Oh, get that stick out of your a** and loosen up a bit man.
Do the words "humor" and "fun" mean anything to you?
I allready added dozens of facts before. I can afford a bit of fun.
#129
Posté 05 janvier 2010 - 08:53
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Ariella wrote...
Also you can point out that it's Uldred who basically steps in and say that having to Grey Wardens run to light the beacon is unnessesary because the mages can do it, but that gets nixed by the Revered Mother. Uldred was already in Loghain's pocket at the time so...
Is this part of the mage war council? I don't have a mage playthrough handy to look, I vaguely remember something like that but I don't see it in HN war council
#130
Posté 05 janvier 2010 - 09:16
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eschilde wrote...
Ariella wrote...
Also you can point out that it's Uldred who basically steps in and say that having to Grey Wardens run to light the beacon is unnessesary because the mages can do it, but that gets nixed by the Revered Mother. Uldred was already in Loghain's pocket at the time so...
Is this part of the mage war council? I don't have a mage playthrough handy to look, I vaguely remember something like that but I don't see it in HN war council
Actually, he's in all of them. He's the bald guys in the robes that says "Your Majesty we don't need the beacon..." Only to get cut off by the revered mother.
