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[Solmanian]

xsdob wrote...

I thought the qunari used a very strict caste system, so you couldn't move up or down in it. Sten was born to be a sten, and so was trained at birth to do so, the arishock was born an arishock and raised to do so, etc, etc.

Doesn't make sense with that type of system that a sten would become an arishock since succession seems to work radically different than other orginizations.

Besides, what if you didn't kill the old arishock in the last game and gave him isebella and the book?

Every military has a hierarchy. Those that show potential ,move up, those that don't, don't. It doesn't make sense to train someone to be your supreme leader: What if he's not good, what if he dies, what if the old arishok doesn't die?

[xsdob]

Solmanian wrote...

xsdob wrote...

I thought the qunari used a very strict caste system, so you couldn't move up or down in it. Sten was born to be a sten, and so was trained at birth to do so, the arishock was born an arishock and raised to do so, etc, etc.

Doesn't make sense with that type of system that a sten would become an arishock since succession seems to work radically different than other orginizations.

Besides, what if you didn't kill the old arishock in the last game and gave him isebella and the book?

Every military has a hierarchy. Those that show potential ,move up, those that don't, don't. It doesn't make sense to train someone to be your supreme leader: What if he's not good, what if he dies, what if the old arishok doesn't die?

I don't know, I'm not an expert on qunari religious beliefs, all I know is that they talked a lot about people being born and assaigned jobs pretty early in their lives that they do until death. Plus they seem nutty enough to train people at near infancy to do a singular specific job that the qun dictates.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Chaos Lord Malek wrote...

Gaider said in another thread, that comixes and books are not canon, only what we make in game. So if Sten is dead, and Arishok from DA2 is also dead, i will got a new Arishok, not Sten.

And how do you know Sten died in DA:O?

[xsdob]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Chaos Lord Malek wrote...

Gaider said in another thread, that comixes and books are not canon, only what we make in game. So if Sten is dead, and Arishok from DA2 is also dead, i will got a new Arishok, not Sten.

And how do you know Sten died in DA:O?

It's called choice import system, kinda a stable of the bioware rpg so far.

[PsychoBlonde]

xsdob wrote...

I don't know, I'm not an expert on qunari religious beliefs, all I know is that they talked a lot about people being born and assaigned jobs pretty early in their lives that they do until death. Plus they seem nutty enough to train people at near infancy to do a singular specific job that the qun dictates.

People are assigned to a job *category* at age 12, not a particular rank or a particular job.  There's mobility within the category.

Details like this are readily available on the forums and the dragon age wiki.

[TEWR]

but will BioWare really do the same for Sten?

It's not a retcon. Sten can't die. At all. The most you can do is leave him in the cage, but that does not mean he actually dies.

Also, is there only one Arishok, or are there more than one in the Qunari's society?

There's only one. There's the Arishok, Ariqun, and Arigena and they command the army, priesthood, and craftsmen of Qunari society.

hought the qunari used a very strict caste system, so you couldn't move up or down in it.

Incorrect. You just can't move from side to side. You can be a grunt in the army, but you can ascend through the ranks of the army and earn promotions, if you're skilled enough.

But you can't go from army grunt to priest. 

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 04 novembre 2012 - 04:16 .

[Foolsfolly]

hhh89 wrote...

efrgfhnm wrote...

Well since it isn't required for you to actually kill the Arishok in DA2 it would be pretty stupid to have all players get Sten as the new Arishok, especially since if we left him in his cage it would be a miracle for him to escape and find his sword.

The fact that the you don't have to kill the Arishok in DA2 doesn't mean that he could've died later, or that the qunari decided to have a new Arishok. We don't know how the highest ranking members of the Qun are promoted or how they change them.

After that whole mess with the Tome of Koslun? Yeah I'm betting that Arishok got demoted.

[TEWR]

Yeah I'm betting that Arishok got demoted.

I'm banking more on them saying he's no longer fit for the role of Arishok and retiring, where he'll either advise the Stenishok sometimes or train new soldiers in the army.

Or if he's really mentally unable to do anything with the army, he'll be taken care of by the Tamassrans. And he'll kill himself, as he's lost his very identity -- something Mary Kirby said often happens if a Qunari is suddenly unable to help in Qunari society despite their intentions.

[Urazz]

xsdob wrote...

Solmanian wrote...

xsdob wrote...

I thought the qunari used a very strict caste system, so you couldn't move up or down in it. Sten was born to be a sten, and so was trained at birth to do so, the arishock was born an arishock and raised to do so, etc, etc.

Doesn't make sense with that type of system that a sten would become an arishock since succession seems to work radically different than other orginizations.

Besides, what if you didn't kill the old arishock in the last game and gave him isebella and the book?

Every military has a hierarchy. Those that show potential ,move up, those that don't, don't. It doesn't make sense to train someone to be your supreme leader: What if he's not good, what if he dies, what if the old arishok doesn't die?

I don't know, I'm not an expert on qunari religious beliefs, all I know is that they talked a lot about people being born and assaigned jobs pretty early in their lives that they do until death. Plus they seem nutty enough to train people at near infancy to do a singular specific job that the qun dictates.

Yeah but they didn't say they had to stay in that position within that job for all their life.  A qunari assigned to the military can go into any position within that branch of the Qun due to their desire or skill.  The highest position in the military in the Qun is Arishok and so 'Sten' from DA:O can definately move up to that rank.  Considering he helped end the Blight in most DA:O playthroughs and gives the Qunari alot more information on Grey Wardens and Darkspawn related things, it should be of no surprise that he gets enough of a reputation and is seen as skilled enough to become the Arishok.

[Scott Sion]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Yeah I'm betting that Arishok got demoted.

I'm banking more on them saying he's no longer fit for the role of Arishok and retiring, where he'll either advise the Stenishok sometimes or train new soldiers in the army.

Or if he's really mentally unable to do anything with the army, he'll be taken care of by the Tamassrans. And he'll kill himself, as he's lost his very identity -- something Mary Kirby said often happens if a Qunari is suddenly unable to help in Qunari society despite their intentions.

Won't he just be killed outright for failing to bring back the tome? I'm not very knowledgable when it comes to the Qun. Every time I think I'm starting to understand their religion I find something else out that proves me wrong.

[GodWood]

The Qun is not a religion.

[xsdob]

GodWood wrote...

The Qun is not a religion.

It is fact.

[TEWR]

Won't he just be killed outright for failing to bring back the tome? I'm not very knowledgable when it comes to the Qun. Every time I think I'm starting to understand their religion I find something else out that proves me wrong.

Doubtful. Sten would've been killed because he lost his sword, the very mark of his station.

The Tome of Koslun, while important to the Qunari, wouldn't result in the Arishok's death by the Qunari upon failing to bring it home. He'd certainly be looked at as having lost his ability to lead the Qunari in battle, I would think.

But he'd only be killed if he returned home, alive, without his axe and sword.

[Urzon]

plnero wrote...

Won't he just be killed outright for failing to bring back the tome? I'm not very knowledgable when it comes to the Qun. Every time I think I'm starting to understand their religion I find something else out that proves me wrong.

As a general rule, the Qunari try not to kill people, since they hold the vaule of life in high regard. That doesn't mean they still can't punish people though. Even from prisoners, they give them the option to either covert to the Qun, and if they reject the convertion; the give the prisoner a type of drug that turns them into a semi-mindless laborer. I'd imagine it's something like a voodoo zombie. The drugs dulls and slows down the person's mind, and it puts them into a highly suggestible state.

As for the punishment for the Arishok, you would have to look into the way of life in the Qun. People see doing their role as their driving purpose in life. Their role is all that they know how to do, and they do it to the best of their ability, for they are helping the greater good (the Qun) in their work. For them to either demote or outright force the Arishok into retirement, it would be the greatest punishment they could give them. It would be like someone saying 'You can no longer provide what the Qun needs, and you are useless to us now." It would hurt him deeply.

[GodWood]

xsdob wrote...

GodWood wrote...
The Qun is not a religion.

It is fact.

Talan esaam Qun.

[TEWR]

Talan esaam Qun.

*in Stenishok voice*

No.

It is Anaan esaam Qun. 

Urzon wrote...

It would hurt him deeply.

To the point where, if he was forced to retire and unable to help new soldiers or do anything to help the society in his specific field, he'd probably kill himself.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 04 novembre 2012 - 07:28 .

[GodWood]

I was not saying victory is in the Qun.

[Orian Tabris]

Another question: If you freed Sten but didn't get him his sword during his personal quest (or rather, didn't do the quest), does that mean that he went to Seheron and was slain on sight? Or did he find it himself? I doubt that he would have just gone somewhere else (like Nevarra or Rivain, or an inn just off the Orlesian-Ferelden border).

Modifié par Orian Tabris, 04 novembre 2012 - 01:20 .

[Zeta42]

Sten is the Wrex of Dragon Age. Nothing is stopping Bioware from making a replacement for him a la Wreav if the prerequisites for him becoming the Arishok haven't been met, like retrieving his sword.

[Annihilator27]

Where are these rumors about Sten being in DA3 coming from?

[Orian Tabris]

Annihilator27 wrote...

Where are these rumors about Sten being in DA3 coming from?

I have no idea. I've been hearing mention of it here, but only from BSN members.

[TEWR]

GodWood wrote...

I was not saying victory is in the Qun.

Ah. Apologies. I didn't know of a Qunari word called "Talan". Upon researching it, you were saying the truth is in the Qun.

[Otone360]

Wouldn't Sten becoming the Arishok change his role? Isn't that against the Qun?

Modifié par Otone360, 20 juin 2013 - 06:24 .

[Capt. Obvious]

If you chose to not release Sten from his cage, then Sten shouldn't even be alive by the events of Inquisition. I mean, yes, I know you won't actually see his death once you continue on your adventure but if BioWare decided to use the fact that we never see him die in that cage, that would be a cop-out and it would make the decision of leaving him to rot in his cage less consequential. In addition, even if he does manage to escape, I don't think he should find his sword again. Like I said, the decisions that you make should lead to different results and should have a lot of impact. Perhaps if Sten does survive, he becomes a mercenary or a Grey Warden. Something like that.

Modifié par Capt. Obvious, 22 juin 2013 - 01:22 .