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Restrider

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---INTRODUCTION---

Have you ever asked yourself which alignment each character would have, if they had the same interface Shepard has?
Well, here is a way to answer this question.
Each character will have his/her/its own poll featuring "More Renegade", "More Paragon", "Neutral" and "Don't know/care" as options. The bars would be comparable to the Renegade/Paragon bars that describe Shepard's alignment throughout the trilogy.


UPDATE:
The first survey trying to determine the Paragon-Renegade score of the characters in the following list has been finished. The polls are still opened, but considering the amount of overall votes and the decrease of recent activity in the polls, I am pretty sure that the percentages are not going to change anymore. That is why I have compiled a visually appealing summary of the result (see the ---RESULTS--- section).
It has been mentioned by several posters in this thread and in the comment section of the polls that the Paragon-Renegade score is not versatile enough to really determine the traits of the different characters. In this post FlyingSquirrel suggested to use a second axis in the polls and I am going to implement it now.


As shown in the link above, character traits of several individuals are shown best in a visually appealing manner. To get a more accurate result for each character, we have to add more dimensions to the polls. I tried to find traits that are indipendent from each other and are not necessarily reflected in the Paragon/Renegade-score. Of course their is always a little bit of interaction/overlap between characteristics.
For each character I added two new polls, the first one to determine how lawful/principled-pragmatic/expedient the characters are in their tactics/actions.
The second poll focuses more on the characters relationships and interaction featuring inclusive-unilateralistic behaviour.




A short summary of the different traits and their meaning:

Paragon: Tries to avoid collateral damage and is apt of persuation/charm.
Renegade: Gets the job done regardless of collateral damage and is apt of intimidation.

Principled: Follows a certain set of moral principles/laws and acts with integrity.

-   (of a person or their behaviour) acting in accordance with morality and showing recognition of right and wrong:
a principled politician


Pragmatic: Shows a certain amount of moral flexibility. 

-   solving problems in a practical way rather than by having fixed ideas or theories:
a pragmatic approach to politics relating to philosophical or political pragmatism

Inclusive: Interacts with others, being it requesting for help/assistance or offering it to others. Generally looking to build some form of consensus.

-   including a wide range of people, things, ideas, etc.

Unilateralist: Usually a loner, who interacts with others only when needed and does not look for their consent.

-   (of an action or decision) performed by or affecting only one person,  group, or country involved in a particular situation, without the agreement of another or the others:
unilateral nuclear disarmament

I encourage everyone to vote on the polls!

---RESULTS---

I have obtained the results
of the Paragon-Renegade polls and calculated the percentage of each
alignment for the various characters. In the image below, blue is
Paragon, gray is Neutral and red obviously Renegade. To determine the
ranking, I substracted the Renegade percentage from the Paragon
percentage. This difference was the nused to rank the various
characters, the highest number being on top.

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Personally,
I am impressed by the results of Zaeed Massani, who had 0% Paragon
score (no other character has 0% on any alignment) and an astonishing
Renegade score of 97,9% beating Morinth, The Illusive Man and Saren
Arterius by far!
Please post your opinion about the results in this thread!

---POLLS--- 



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Kaidan Alenko:

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Here is his Paragon-Renegade poll.
Here is his Principled-Pragmatic poll.
Here is his Inclusive-Unilateralist poll.

David Anderson:

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Here is his Paragon-Renegade poll.
Here is his Principled-Pragmatic poll.
Here is his Inclusive-Unilateralist poll.

Saren Arterius:

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Here is his Paragon-Renegade poll.
Here is his Principled-Pragmatic poll.
Here is his Inclusive-Unilateralist poll.

EDI:

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Here is her Paragon-Renegade poll.
Here is her Principled-Pragmatic poll.
Here is her Inclusive-Unilateralist poll.

Kasumi Goto:


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Here is her Paragon-Renegade poll.
Here is her Principled-Pragmatic poll.
Here is her Inclusive-Unilateralist poll.

Urdnot Grunt:

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Here is his Paragon-Renegade poll.
Here is his Principled-Pragmatic poll.
Here is his Inclusive-Unilateralist poll.

Jack Harper/The Illusive Man:

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Here is his Paragon-Renegade poll.
Here is his Principled-Pragmatic poll.
Here is his Inclusive-Unilateralist poll.

Jack:

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Here is her Paragon-Renegade poll.
Here is her Principled-Pragmatic poll.
Here is her Inclusive-Unilateralist poll.

Javik:

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Here is his Paragon-Renegade poll.
Here is his Principled-Pragmatic poll.
Here is his Inclusive-Unilateralist poll.

Thane Krios:

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Here is his Paragon-Renegade poll.
Here is his Principled-Pragmatic poll.
Here is his Inclusive-Unilateralist poll.

Miranda Lawson:


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Here is her Paragon-Renegade poll.
Here is her Principled-Pragmatic poll.
Here is her Inclusive-Unilateralist poll.

Legion:


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Here is its Paragon-Renegade poll.
Here is its Principled-Pragmatic poll.
Here is its Inclusive-Unilateralist poll.

Zaeed Massani:


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Here is his Paragon-Renegade poll.
Here is his Principled-Pragmatic poll.
Here is his Inclusive-Unilateralist poll.

Jeff Joker Moreau:

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Here is his Paragon-Renegade poll.
Here is his Principled-Pragmatic poll.
Here is his Inclusive-Unilateralist poll.

Morinth:

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Here is her Paragon-Renegade poll.
Here is her Principled-Pragmatic poll.
Here is her Inclusive-Unilateralist poll.

Samara:

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Here is her Paragon-Renegade poll.
Here is her Principled-Pragmatic poll.
Here is her Inclusive-Unilateralist poll.

Mordin Solus:


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Here is his Paragon-Renegade poll.
Here is his Principled-Pragmatic poll.
Here is his Inclusive-Unilateralist poll.

Jacob Taylor:


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Here is his Paragon-Renegade poll.
Here is his Principled-Pragmatic poll.
Here is his Inclusive-Unilateralist poll.

Aria T'Loak:

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Here is her Paragon-Renegade poll.
Here is her Principled-Pragmatic poll.
Here is her Inclusive-Unilateralist poll.

Liara T'Soni:


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Here is her Paragon-Renegade poll.
Here is her Principled-Pragmatic poll.
Here is her Inclusive-Unilateralist poll.

Garrus Vakarian:


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Here is his Paragon-Renegade poll.
Here is his Principled-Pragmatic poll.
Here is his Inclusive-Unilateralist poll.

James Vega:


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Here is his Paragon-Renegade poll.
Here is his Principled-Pragmatic poll.
Here is his Inclusive-Unilateralist poll.

Ashley Williams:


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Here is her Paragon-Renegade poll.
Here is her Principled-Pragmatic poll.
Here is her Inclusive-Unilateralist poll.

Urdnot Wrex:

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Here is his Paragon-Renegade poll.
Here is his Principled-Pragmatic poll.
Here is his Inclusive-Unilateralist poll.

Tali'Zorah vas Normandy:


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Here is her Paragon-Renegade poll.
Here is her Principled-Pragmatic poll.
Here is her Inclusive-Unilateralist poll.





I hope you have fun discussing the different character's alignment, but please keep it civil. Do not turn this into another "Character Forum".

Modifié par Restrider, 11 novembre 2012 - 01:28 .


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Is there any chance that there'll be more options? Like

High Paragon/ High Renegade
High P/ Low R
Low P/ High R
Low P/ Low R

Something to flesh out the alignment a little more. Just like Shepard can stack up loads of Reputation points while allocating them to both sides, or largely ignore the opportunities to make these kinds of decisions...

It might make the poll a bit of a mess, but would help distinguish between the characters a bit more... e.g. Wrex seems like he makes a lot of emotionally aggressive decisions, whereas Tali maybe hasn't had the chance to commit to things so much, as she's young and more a scientist / pilgrim than a leader or fighter...

Modifié par Davik Kang, 03 novembre 2012 - 12:18 .


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Davik Kang wrote...

Is there any chance that there'll be more options? Like

High Paragon/ High Renegade
High P/ Low R
Low P/ High R
Low P/ Low R

Something to flesh out the alignment a little more. Just like Shepard can stack up loads of Reputation points while allocating them to both sides, or largely ignore the opportunities to make these kinds of decisions...

It might make the poll a bit of a mess, but would help distinguish between the characters a bit more... e.g. Wrex seems like he makes a lot of emotionally aggressive decisions, whereas Tali maybe hasn't had the chance to commit to things so much, as she's young and more a scientist / pilgrim than a leader or fighter...

You said it yourself, it would make the polls a mess. By doing it this way and providing the "Neutral" option, I hope that by having enough votes to still get a rather distinguished view. Say a character like Garrus, he has paragon and renegade traits. After, say 100 votes, we can see how the community interprets his actions and you'd have a paragon and renegade bar for him.
Of course, you as your Shepard can influence the characters as well, so it is not definitive.

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Restrider wrote...
You said it yourself, it would make the polls a mess. By doing it this way and providing the "Neutral" option, I hope that by having enough votes to still get a rather distinguished view. Say a character like Garrus, he has paragon and renegade traits. After, say 100 votes, we can see how the community interprets his actions and you'd have a paragon and renegade bar for him.
Of course, you as your Shepard can influence the characters as well, so it is not definitive.

Good point.  The results could speak volumes.  I hope you get lots of votes cos it could be fascinating to see the results

EDIT: good work on the individual pics

Modifié par Davik Kang, 03 novembre 2012 - 12:26 .


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Davik Kang wrote...

Restrider wrote...
You said it yourself, it would make the polls a mess. By doing it this way and providing the "Neutral" option, I hope that by having enough votes to still get a rather distinguished view. Say a character like Garrus, he has paragon and renegade traits. After, say 100 votes, we can see how the community interprets his actions and you'd have a paragon and renegade bar for him.
Of course, you as your Shepard can influence the characters as well, so it is not definitive.

Good point.  The results could speak volumes.  I hope you get lots of votes cos it could be fascinating to see the results

EDIT: good work on the individual pics

Spread the word then...
Since this is a non-ideolical thread and everyone in this community has an opinion on the various characters, it would be nice to see them all participating!

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Restrider wrote...
Spread the word then...
Since this is a non-ideolical thread and everyone in this community has an opinion on the various characters, it would be nice to see them all participating!

Best way to attract ppl to the thread is a well-timed bump every now and then imo...

Maybe if certain characters are getting less attention, you can mention it in a new post etc.

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Saren and EDI's polls don't seem to be working...

Modifié par Finn the Jakey, 03 novembre 2012 - 02:51 .


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Finn the Jakey wrote...

Saren and EDI's polls don't seem to be working...

Should be fixed.

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Voted. Surprised more people didn't think Kasumi was Renegade - she is a professional thief after all. Perhaps if ME used D&D alignments she'd be more Chaotic Neutral.

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I would think that jack needs two threads (pre and post shep)
also liara has changed quite a bit throuout the series (I would suggest three for her me1, me2, me3)

Modifié par Shepard Cmdr, 03 novembre 2012 - 03:52 .


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I view Jack as neutral.

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spirosz wrote...

I view Jack as neutral.

see... pre-shep she is definitely renegade, but post shep she is imo neutral to paragon (I would go with paragon)

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It would be easier to judge the characters if Paragon and Renegade were more consistently portrayed throughout the series.

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Cthulhu42 wrote...

It would be easier to judge the characters if Paragon and Renegade were more consistently portrayed throughout the series.

I would go with "at any cost" vs. "save as many as possible"  which were the actual descriptions given (think end of BDTS, those two choices are very clear cut Paragon/renegade)

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Kaidan Alenko is the epitome of Paragon. :) Yep

From my own personal perspective, this is how I would place the characters in order from Paragon to Renegade:

PARAGON Kaidan>Liara>Anderson>Tali>Jacob>Vega>EDI>Kasumi>Mordin>Samara>Thane>Garrus>Legion>Miranda>
Javik>Ashley>Jack>Grunt>Wrex>Zaeed>TIM>Morinth>Saren     RENEGADE
*Kaidan takes the Paragon option over Liara in ME.

*drops image here* Had to. Spreading the awesomeness of Alenko is what I do best.
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Modifié par Arxduke, 04 novembre 2012 - 07:09 .


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An interesting concept, but everyone from Javik down doesn't have a link. At least not one I see.

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Jake Boone wrote...

An interesting concept, but everyone from Javik down doesn't have a link. At least not one I see.

Yeah, I know. The problem is that BSN only allows you to open a new poll every XX minutes. So, you'll have to wait a bit till every character has a poll.

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Jake Boone wrote...

An interesting concept, but everyone from Javik down doesn't have a link. At least not one I see.


and here's why:

Restrider wrote...

***NOTE THAT IT NEEDS TIME TO OPEN ALL THE POLLS, SO VISIT THIS THREAD REGULARLY***



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Lol Restrider you beat me to it

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I really hate to correct, but it's driving me crazy...

You've spelled Tali's name wrong, it's "Tali'Zorrah vas Normandy".

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More characters are up! Javik, Thane and Miranda.
I went:

Javik- Renegade because he is easily the most renegade character in the series, but with good reason (all he's ever known is war). (99% Renegade 1% Paragon)

Thane- Neutral because of how he viewed being an assassin meant not having any consequences for his actions but also showing a more merciful and repentant side. (53% Paragon 47% Renegade)

Miranda- Renegade (but only just!) because she goes after her goals ruthlessly, even though those have generally good reasons behind them. (60% Renegade 40% Paragon)

Modifié par AxStapleton, 03 novembre 2012 - 06:23 .


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401 Kill wrote...

I really hate to correct, but it's driving me crazy...

You've spelled Tali's name wrong, it's "Tali'Zorrah vas Normandy".


It's only one "R" in Zorah. Fail.

Modifié par AxStapleton, 03 novembre 2012 - 06:22 .


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AxStapleton wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

I really hate to correct, but it's driving me crazy...

You've spelled Tali's name wrong, it's "Tali'Zorrah vas Normandy".


It's only one "R" in Zorah. Fail.

Really? I always thought it was 2 "r"'s lol:D.

I do agree with you on your vote of Thane, Miranda, and Javik though.

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401 Kill wrote...

AxStapleton wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

I really hate to correct, but it's driving me crazy...

You've spelled Tali's name wrong, it's "Tali'Zorrah vas Normandy".


It's only one "R" in Zorah. Fail.

Really? I always thought it was 2 "r"'s lol:D.

I do agree with you on your vote of Thane, Miranda, and Javik though.


Don't worry, about it. I get names wrong all the time (though I vividly remember this one for some reason).

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Bump. So more people vote.