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[Han Shot First]

Some of the polls are lacking links.

Anyway, here is where I think they fall:

Kaidan - Paragon. In fact he appears to be the most paragon squadmate in the game, since if you use him and Liara (both of them being the most paragon of your ME1 team) as your squad in ME1, Liara will instead voice the renegade opinions for the Rachni or Council decisions.

Anderson - Paragon. Throughout the books and the game he is consistently paragon. Had he been the Spectre instead of Shep, he probably saves the Rachni, saves the Council, and Destroys the Collector Base.

Saren - Easily one of the most renegade characters in either the books or the games.

EDI - I'd vote neutral, but I think she leans paragon. (paragade)

Kasumi - Neutral, but leans paragon despite being a thief. (paragade)
 
Grunt - Renegade.

The Illusive Man - With Saren, he's one of the more extreme renegades in the series.

Jack - Jack is kind of hard to pin down since she evolves over the course of the series. I'd say that before meeting Shep and throughout much of ME2 she is a renegade, but by the end of the ME3 she is neutral and leaning paragon. (paragade)

Javik - Renegade. In fact I'd say that either Javik or Zaeed is the most renegade of the potential squadmates. I'm not sure which one I'd rank as being more renegade. Zaeed is certainly more evil (willing to kill civilians just for personal vengeance) whereas Javik isn't really evil, just ruthless in accomplishing the mission.

Thane - Despite having been an assassin I think he's fairly paragon. He is a fairly moral character who seems to be seeking atonement for past 'sins.' I think that puts him in paragon territory.

Miranda - She evolves a bit as the series goes on as well. I'd say at the start of ME2 she's a full on renegade and by the end neutral, but leaning renegade. (renegon)

Legion - true neutral.

Zaeed - Renegade.

Morinth - Renegade.

Samara - Paragade. I think she is extremely paragon in the big picture, but is willing to be ruthless to accomplish a greater good. So I think that makes her a paragade.

Mordin - Also a character that has evolved somewhat. I'd say that in his backstory with the genophage he was a renegon, but by the end of ME2 he's in paragade territory. Even at the start of ME2 he's leaning into paragon territory, with creating a clinic on Omega to treat the poor, and ruthlessly defending his charges. (including humans, from racially motivated mobs)

Jacob - Paragade.

Liara - She also evolves somewhat as the series progresses. In ME1 she's the most paragon squadmate on the team after Kaidan, but by LotSB and ME3 I think she's definitely developed a more ruthless streak.  By the end of the series I think she is a paragade.

Garrus - Renegon.

Vega - Paragon

Ashley Williams - Renegon

Wrex - Renegon

Tali - Paragon

[Liamv2]

BUMP

[Restrider]

Again, polls need time to be opened. I'll try to complete it as soon as possible.

[Edolix]

Eh, I did a couple but you really need to add in the paragade/renegon options.

[CmdrShep80]

SwobyJ wrote...

Agreed with Edolix.
Would have been better with:
-Paragon
-Paragade
-Neutral
-Renegon
-Renegade
-Don't know/view results

as options.

thats what we're going to have after all the voting is done 

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Zaeed!!!!!

[dirty console peasant]

my main problem is that through their interaction with shepard, quite a few characters change quite a bit. Miranda went from TIM crony, to more neutral bordering on paragon, Garrus might have changed his outlook depending on how shepard talked to him in ME1, etc.

[CmdrShep80]

Oooo can't wait for more

[Restrider]

Added the poll for the most liked character Jacob Taylor...
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and of course Liara...

[Restrider]

It's done, all polls are up and running. Have fun voting/discussing. Please post in this thread to keep it out of the Hades of BSN.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

And who did you run with most of the time during each game?

ME1: Garrus/Liara

ME2: Zaeed/Miranda/Jack

ME3: Liara/Javik/Kaiden

[JasonShepard]

And here was me hoping for a Lawful/Neutral/Chaotic and Good/Neutral/Evil selection... Put a couple of votes down - I think a lot of them are fairly clean cut on the Paragon/Renegade side of things.

[CmdrShep80]

Restrider wrote...

It's done, all polls are up and running. Have fun voting/discussing. Please post in this thread to keep it out of the Hades of BSN.

so how long will you keep the polls open for?  I finished them all but just curious

[DrGunjah]

Han Shot First wrote...
Javik - Renegade. In fact I'd say that either Javik or Zaeed is the most renegade of the potential squadmates. I'm not sure which one I'd rank as being more renegade. Zaeed is certainly more evil (willing to kill civilians just for personal vengeance) whereas Javik isn't really evil, just ruthless in accomplishing the mission.

javik gives you advice to sacrifice "weak species" to buy you some time. He is not connected to any race in the current galaxy, so he doesn't have anything to "win" in this war. His only reason to live is to kill the reapers and anyone that stands between him and them. I would rate him even more renegade than saren or TIM. They both do stuff for a reason, while javik is only driven by rage and hate.

Samara - Paragade. I think she is extremely paragon in the big picture, but is willing to be ruthless to accomplish a greater good. So I think that makes her a paragade.

I would rate her far more renegade than paragon. Although she states that she "protects the good guys and kills the bad guys" that's not entirely correct. Is an ardat yakshi (likely misspelled ) bad, because she was born with a genetic effect? Is the police chick in me2 bad? I think there's a reason why people get nervous when a justicar is around. If you sin against the codex, you will get punished and she will probably give a **** about mitigating circumstances.
Imho her only paragon action is when she attempts to kill herself because she otherwise would have to kill her daughter, though even that is likely a selfish action. If falere wasn't her daughter she would very likely just kill her without hesitating.

Wrex - Renegon

I'm just curious - what makes grunt more renegade than wrex?

[CmdrShep80]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

And who did you run with most of the time during each game?

ME1: Garrus/Liara

ME2: Zaeed/Miranda/Jack

ME3: Liara/Javik/Kaiden

ME1 Ashley, Garrus, Wrex

ME2 Garrus, Zaeed, Grunt

ME3 Garrus, EDI, Ashley

[CmdrShep80]

@Restrider- in the panoramic pic you put up I saw Joker's on there. Should we have a poll for him too?

[Baron_Von_Bonbon]

The only poll result that was unexpected was Samara. What is everyone thinking? Is she so paragon that she's renegade?

[Davik Kang]

Results are really good so far. They seem to add weight to each character's para and rene side as we would expect. I wouldn't be surprised if Bioware released 'stats' for their para/neutral/rene scores that reflected most of these.

I was, however, surprised with a few scores so far:

EDI - I think she's pretty paragon. She's an AI with no obvious affiliation with anyone on board the Normandy, yet she dutifully sticks to her task of looking after everybody on the ship, even when her own emotions are only beginning to mature. She is in many ways a young child with huge intelligence and massive power, yet never throws any kind of tantrum or shows any dissent. Even the slightest slip by her could've cost many lives. Did she ever do anything renegade (after being installed on the Normandy and developing her personality)? I'm genuinely curious.

Jacob - he's definitely a nice guy and a strong character, but is he really a Paragon? He chose to join Cerberus because the Alliance showed inaction. I think he treads a very fine line between acting with integrity and taking action rather than using words. He seems very strong as Paragon and Renegade to me, leaving him neutral overall.

Kasumi - for me she is straight up renegade. Renegade doesn't mean evil - it means doing things outside the law, not by the book. Virtually everything Kasumi does is Renegade. Donating her proceeds to the Crucible project and doing other nice things doesn't make her Paragon - she always uses her skills to get what she wants, and has no regard for any 'proper way' of doing things. In fact I'd say she's the ideal example of how a renegade character can be a caring and good-natured person.

Modifié par Davik Kang, 04 novembre 2012 - 03:45 .

[Arxduke]

Samara did indeed have interesting results. Probably the most up-in-the-air. It's hard to tell, as that "code" of hers dictates everything she does.

[Quackjack]

Am I the only Renegede who likes Tali the most? *Garrus is a close second*

[Mathias]

Who's voting Ashley as Renegade? She's a very by the books soldier, who's heavily against Cerberus. She's a Paragon.

Modifié par Mdoggy1214, 04 novembre 2012 - 04:17 .

[Han Shot First]

DrGunjah wrote...


I'm just curious - what makes grunt more renegade than wrex?

Mainly Wrex's leadership in uniting the Krogan clans. He's fairly progressive as far as Krogan go, allowing females to have a voice and even showing some degree of mercy to defeated clans.
 
Grunt strikes me as being a little more aggressive than Wrex. I'm not sure whether or not he'd have the same ideas regarding the females, but if he were clan leader I don't think he'd show mercy to defeated clans. He'd probably say something like, "Bah...they're worthless. That's why they were defeated! Better to kill them now than have them drag us down!"

Modifié par Han Shot First, 04 novembre 2012 - 04:19 .