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[Mjolinar]

I'd have to say yes. It seems to be especially popular on Engineers for some reason. Frankly, though, I haven't used it a single time... Because I DON'T HAVE IT YET!!!

[Cobra5]

Its not overused for how strong it is.

All other weapons are pretty much eclipsed by it. If you've got a harrier, there aren't really any other weapons worth using, besides the reegar carbine, which is something of a specialized weapon.

[Imp of the Perverse]

Earlier today I looked up vodka on wikipedia for some reason. Unlike other hard alcohols that are usually made from a specific ingredient that contributes some unique flavor, vodka is made from everything from potatoes to old paper. Then it's filtered and distilled until it's basically pure ethanol, and watered down as necessary (or not, in the case of everclear).

It made me think of the harrier. The gun's just a straight dps machine, no other flavors. No crazy spread forcing you into close range combat, no hipfire penalty or high zoom scope forcing you into long range, no slow reload times or one round clips to alter your gameplay around, or massive recoil to deal with, or any need for a bionic trigger finger like the raptor and mattock. It fires hitscan bullets, not rebar or salarian deathballs or glowing superconducting toroids. Just point the gun at something and hold the trigger down. Even if it's damage output were average, it'd be pretty popular just for being a "normal gun" (I rarely use it though, I like the weird ones.)

[RGZ Archer]

M A F I A wrote...

The Harrier is definitely overused and overrated, many say it's the "best AR in game", yeah but they forget the Saber which is basically a scopeless sniper rifle which hits the enemies like a truck.

I love the sound that thing makes when you get a headshot on a geth enemy, reminds me of when I was a little kid and went to the fair with my folks lol

[Cakekey]

I've noticed as well. Even at I, the Harrier has a reasonable weight, excellent damage, all combined with abnormal accuracy. It's easy to use, and easy to get kills with at just about any range, even if you don't spec your character into weapon damage.
I don't think it's OP either, I'm just tired of seeing it in every single game.

[Eckswhyzed]

Imp of the Perverse wrote...

Earlier today I looked up vodka on wikipedia for some reason. Unlike other hard alcohols that are usually made from a specific ingredient that contributes some unique flavor, vodka is made from everything from potatoes to old paper. Then it's filtered and distilled until it's basically pure ethanol, and watered down as necessary (or not, in the case of everclear).

It made me think of the harrier. The gun's just a straight dps machine, no other flavors. No crazy spread forcing you into close range combat, no hipfire penalty or high zoom scope forcing you into long range, no slow reload times or one round clips to alter your gameplay around, or massive recoil to deal with, or any need for a bionic trigger finger like the raptor and mattock. It fires hitscan bullets, not rebar or salarian deathballs or glowing superconducting toroids. Just point the gun at something and hold the trigger down. Even if it's damage output were average, it'd be pretty popular just for being a "normal gun" (I rarely use it though, I like the weird ones.)

Excellent analysis there -  you've just spelled out the reason I don't use mine that often. The only extra gameplay element it introduces is running around ammo boxes more than usual compared to things like heat up time, weapon charging, or projectile mechanics.

Compared to some of my other weapons I often use the Harrier is just too.....conventional. I can fire accurate automatic rifles in many other shooters, so I'm going to use my space magic awesome cannons in Mass Effect.

[DAN1EL86]

Uh oh, the nerfers are getting their crutch called out!!!

The Kyrsae and Pirahana were OP to the nerfers, but I guess the Harrier is not (even though in Gold and Plat 3-4 players will be using one).

Mmkay.

[kmmd60]

It's pretty popular among weapon classes.....actually it's easy to use and DPS is really ggod. The only thing that keep it from being overpower is limited spare ammo and rarity. If BW decide to balanece the harrier in the future then it's weight should be increased.

Other UR ARs are heavy/ramp up mechanic which limit their usage to few, harder to stagger classes. Saber is essentially SR without scope.

[SweetWilly013]

It's overused because many of the other ARs are terrible. Honestly, Bioware needs to learn that ARs need to have a far greater theoretical DPS than sniper rifles to even be feasible. This is true for the Harrier and only a few others. You can get a constant stream of headshots with a sniper rifle*. With AR's, you most likely cannot. Factor on top of that ARs require you to be exposed from cover for extended periods of time, and you really need a far greater DPS from ARs than SRs to be balanced. This is quite obviously not evident in most ARs.


*This does not include AR like sniper rifles like the Indra, Incisor and Raptor. These should be treated like ARs in terms of balancing DPS.

Modifié par SweetWilly013, 04 novembre 2012 - 06:39 .

[IronRush]

Harrier needs a nerf.
Huge damage, very easy to control, very fast reload, etc...

This thing needs to be more heavier and more slow to reload. I think would be fair.

[SweetWilly013]

IronRush wrote...

Harrier needs a nerf.
Huge damage, very easy to control, very fast reload, etc...

This thing needs to be more heavier and more slow to reload. I think would be fair.

And still pathetic on spare ammo. That is its balancing point. If it needs to be nerfed in one direction, it needs to be buffed in another. From past experiences, if Bioware were to nerf it from here, I'm pretty sure they would make it pretty much unusable. The weapon's boast is sacrificing ammo capacity for higher DPS. What if this DPS were to be nerfed? There would be little to no reason to choose this AR over any other. 

[Sethvir Fireborn]

It was the same with whatever powerful assault rifle before that, and will be the same for the next one that we get given that is a little more powerful or better then the Harrier

[andrew688k]

The problem is not on the harrier, it's overuse is caused by other weapons. The harrier is fine as it is a very good and blanced UR.

[Dr. Doctor]

The Harrier is used because it's a solid gun in a category that lacks alternatives. The Avenger, Vindicator, and Pulse Rifle are lightweight lower DPS guns that are good for caster classes looking for more offensive power than an SMG. The Falcon and Striker deal large amounts of damage and stagger targets but their ineffectiveness against shields and armor make them more suited for use as anti-infantry support weapons. The Revenant deals a similar amount of DPS as the Harrier but is much less accurate while the PPR and Typhoon require a ramp up time to become truly effective.

The Mattock family (Mattock, Argus, and Harrier) all offer high DPS with decent accuracy and weight. The greatest advantage the Harrier has over the Mattock and Argus is its rate of fire and low recoil. The closest equivalent to the Harrier in terms of DPS, weight, and accuracy is the Indra. The Harrier as it stands is in the same position as the N7 Hurricane, its a solid option in a class that lacks a clear alternative.

[nicethugbert]

Sethvir Fireborn wrote...

It was the same with whatever powerful assault rifle before that, and will be the same for the next one that we get given that is a little more powerful or better then the Harrier

Exactly, ppl who complain about ppowerful weapons rarely want o acknowledge the fact that most of the weapons suck.

[M A F I A]

Xaijin wrote...

Is the harrier overused?

Yes.

Why?

There are exactly zero alternatives.

Saber.

[CardboredSquare]

All automatic AR's are bad/decent except for the Harrier.

[nicethugbert]

SweetWilly013 wrote...

It's overused because many of the other ARs are terrible. Honestly, Bioware needs to learn that ARs need to have a far greater theoretical DPS than sniper rifles to even be feasible. This is true for the Harrier and only a few others. You can get a constant stream of headshots with a sniper rifle*. With AR's, you most likely cannot. Factor on top of that ARs require you to be exposed from cover for extended periods of time, and you really need a far greater DPS from ARs than SRs to be balanced. This is quite obviously not evident in most ARs.


*This does not include AR like sniper rifles like the Indra, Incisor and Raptor. These should be treated like ARs in terms of balancing DPS.

The lack of stopping power is what makes most of the ARs snd SMGs crap despite looking good on paper.  This game is all about stun/stagger.  The enemies have the advantage in both offensive and defensive stun/stagger.  They also have super human dodging abilities.  That's why people mostly gravitate towards powers and weapons that will stop the enemy in it's tracks, unless the low stopping power weapon has a very high DPS.  That's why so many low ROF weapons are popular when so many high ROF weapons are not.  The low ROF weapons tend to have more stopping power.  The only way a high ROF weapon with little stopping power is chosen over a low ROF weapon with high stopping power is if it's DPS is much higher, i.e., Harrier, Indra, Hurricane, Typhoon, Reeger.  Without stopping power or tons of DPS, the enemies just laugh at you while they bum rush and mow you down.

People who keep proposing that Harrier, Typhoon, Hurricane, Indra, Reeger, Piranha, Krysae, Acolyte, etc. are too powerful conviniently ignore the troll mechanics inherent in this game:  The Casino(store), the rediculaus meth crack dodging abilities, the enormous stun/stagger attacks and defenses, enemy omniscience, uninteruptable enemy animations such as bronze cerberus tropper reload(!), and all the other BS programmed into this game's enemies.  They also conviniently forget that most characters do not put out the insane DPS of a GI which breaks all weapons and lives to hide about it.

Modifié par nicethugbert, 04 novembre 2012 - 01:32 .

[Trontor]

Arppis wrote...

fatmancory wrote...

Other AR tend to suck or just fit a certain niche that most classes can't use properly. If we want to see more diversity Bioware needs to make some guns that are as good as it while still being versatile as well, Or buff/change the other AR to match it.

This, they need to make few more actualy good automatic ar's.

The Phaeston isn't bad for Bronze and Silver. What was missing for a long time was a Rare Gold viable Assault Rifle. It exists now in form of the Collector Rifle. But that weapon still needs a buff in form of a weight decrease and damage increase.

[Stardusk]

Not by me, it just collects dust...

[megabeast37215]

JustAnotherVanguard wrote...
What was missing for a long time was a Rare Gold viable Assault Rifle. It exists now in form of the Collector Rifle. But that weapon still needs a buff in form of a weight decrease and damage increase.

This. All the Rare assault rifles suck, but all the rare shotguns except the Disciple are among the best weapons in the game. Why Bioware why?

[nicethugbert]

megabeast37215 wrote...

JustAnotherVanguard wrote...
What was missing for a long time was a Rare Gold viable Assault Rifle. It exists now in form of the Collector Rifle. But that weapon still needs a buff in form of a weight decrease and damage increase.

This. All the Rare assault rifles suck, but all the rare shotguns except the Disciple are among the best weapons in the game. Why Bioware why?

The Shotguns have stopping power.

[megabeast37215]

nicethugbert wrote...

megabeast37215 wrote...

JustAnotherVanguard wrote...
What was missing for a long time was a Rare Gold viable Assault Rifle. It exists now in form of the Collector Rifle. But that weapon still needs a buff in form of a weight decrease and damage increase.

This. All the Rare assault rifles suck, but all the rare shotguns except the Disciple are among the best weapons in the game. Why Bioware why?

The Shotguns have stopping power.

...and range in the case of the Claymore... and massive utility in the case of the Reegar, neither of which sacrifice stopping power. Piranha weighs nothing and has a ton of DPS... why can't AR's have DPS?  Every race in the Galaxy and not one of them can make a rare assault rifle worth crap.

[nicethugbert]

Incidentally, considering that the Harrier is an ultra rare and most ME3 MP players don't have even their uncommon weapons maxed, no, the Harrier is not overused. It's impossible to overuse something ultra rare. Now, Infiltrators, Firebase White, and Geth are things that everyone has available as soon as they install the game.

Modifié par nicethugbert, 04 novembre 2012 - 01:35 .