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[LilyasAvalon]

As people may or may not know, Dark Horse has been rather busy these last few months, releasing some new comics for DA. The Silent Grove and Those Who Do Not Speak follows Alistair, Isabela and Varric as Alistair searches for King Maric.

The comic already has a set canon, so, I'm wondering how relevant this may or may not be to DA3. Will Bioware retcon decisions regarding Alistair, making him the canon King, so it fits with the comics? Will Bioware retcon decisions of killing Sten in DA:O so that he is the new canon Arishok? 

I'm concerned to be honest, the whole point of DA was making decisions that would effect and impact things, what's the point of that if everything is retconned anyway?

What of the Warden? And Hawke? When is this set? Before or after their disappearances?

[AresKeith]

I hope they aren't going to retcon everything

[Reofeir]

I believe that the comics are canon in Bioware's story canon but not exactly *are* canon.
Like say: We had Alistar set as king. The events of the comics will take place and might be mentioned in game.
If Alistar was exiled, it is possible that the events still happened but differently, and would be reflected in the story.
If Alistar is dead, the events didn't happen at all and wouldn't be mentioned.

[Not saying that this is 100% truth, just on what I believe David Gaider said. Could be wrong, but I'd bet that this is the way they are going.]

Modifié par Zenor, 03 novembre 2012 - 05:02 .

[Realmzmaster]

The comics must have a set canon to be able to tell the story that David Gaider wishes to tell. Gaider has already stated that what is in the comics does not have a bearing on the games. The same reason why Hawke is not mentioned in the book Asunder. Gamers would see it as making canon by stating what side Hawke picked. Anders is mentioned because the side he picked is the same in both the game and book.

I doubt Bioware will retcon everything, but certain events may be retconned in the future if the overall story demands it. .

[Mike_Neel]

The comics are David Gaiders canon story. You have your own canon story as well being told. They've said a few times that they won't impose too much of Gaiders own game decisions onto yours in DAIII.

How or what that means is yet to be seen, though for the most part I think they'll keep Alistair free from a canon choice. That said they may "loophole" him as king. Like say the warden disappeared even if you put a human warden on the throne. Or say you put Anora on the throne. Maybe she gets conveniently killed and now it's up to our boy Alistair to do the job. I wouldn't be surprised to see something like that happen honestly if they need him to be king for DAIII.

I'd bet they keep Sten as Arishok though, and just say "he escaped" to all 3 people that never recruited him.

[Ghostjs]

I believe that David Gaider said that the books and comics aren't canon. When writing the stories he chooses what events are best for the story he is telling.

edit: Like the others have said apparently.

Modifié par Ghostjs, 03 novembre 2012 - 06:12 .

[Potato Cat]

So what happened with Isabela? I only know what I've read from the wiki. Is she a mindless and qamek'd now?

[Dagr88]

The thing about Silent Grove is that it can be "Arrival"ed (Mass Effect 2 DLC). I can see (somewhat) same result no matter if Alistar was a king/killed.

About Sten... that's tricky, since he must escape AND find his sword to return to the Qun. And even then I don't think he'll become Arishok without helping with Blight problem (+ all this cultural experience).

In DA2 you can give the Book and Isabela to Arishok and you won't have to fight him, so canon Sten Arishok is even less possible.

[cogsandcurls]

Possibly unpopular opinion? I think the big outcomes of the comic might be relevant. Not in a "BTW we know Alistair was dead in your playthrough but now he's alive, king and rescued Maric" (for example) way, but more in a "Alistair's still dead and Anora is queen, but Maric somehow got rescued anyway by [plot device]," kind of way. The books/comics follow one set path, but I'm not averse to the idea that the general arc of these stories happens whatever you do, with variations depending on your choices.

[wsandista]

Well it does say something like "Essential to Dragon Age canon" on Darkhorse's site, so who knows?

[Darth Death]

AresKeith wrote...

I hope they aren't going to retcon everything

Not trying to crush your dreams or anything, but your wish will not come true. 

[Sejborg]

LilyasAvalon wrote...

As people may or may not know, Dark Horse has been rather busy these last few months, releasing some new comics for DA. The Silent Grove and Those Who Do Not Speak follows Alistair, Isabela and Varric as Alistair searches for King Maric.

Didn't Maric die in the deep roads? Why is Alistair looking for him? Isn't it known that he is dead? 

[Dagr88]

Sejborg wrote...

LilyasAvalon wrote...

As people may or may not know, Dark Horse has been rather busy these last few months, releasing some new comics for DA. The Silent Grove and Those Who Do Not Speak follows Alistair, Isabela and Varric as Alistair searches for King Maric.

Didn't Maric die in the deep roads? Why is Alistair looking for him? Isn't it known that he is dead? 

And I thought he died at sea... This Marric guy is an enigma.

Modifié par Dagr88, 03 novembre 2012 - 08:52 .

[Sejborg]

Dagr88 wrote...

Sejborg wrote...

LilyasAvalon wrote...

As people may or may not know, Dark Horse has been rather busy these last few months, releasing some new comics for DA. The Silent Grove and Those Who Do Not Speak follows Alistair, Isabela and Varric as Alistair searches for King Maric.

Didn't Maric die in the deep roads? Why is Alistair looking for him? Isn't it known that he is dead? 

And I thought he died at sea... This Marric guy is an enigma.

Well I might be wrong. Just seem to recall Maric dieing during the Calling. But I can't remember that book very well. It was kind of forgettable. 

But anyway. Why go looking for a dead guy? And also. Where is it said he died at sea? 

Modifié par Sejborg, 03 novembre 2012 - 08:59 .

[DarkKnightHolmes]

Sejborg wrote...

Dagr88 wrote...

Sejborg wrote...

LilyasAvalon wrote...

As people may or may not know, Dark Horse has been rather busy these last few months, releasing some new comics for DA. The Silent Grove and Those Who Do Not Speak follows Alistair, Isabela and Varric as Alistair searches for King Maric.

Didn't Maric die in the deep roads? Why is Alistair looking for him? Isn't it known that he is dead? 

And I thought he died at sea... This Marric guy is an enigma.

Well I might be wrong. Just seem to recall Maric dieing during the Calling. But I can't remember that book very well. It was kind of forgettable. 

But anyway. Why go looking for a dead guy? And also. Where is it said he died at sea? 

Uh no, he didn't die in "The Calling".

Modifié par DarkKnightHolmes, 03 novembre 2012 - 09:01 .

[Sejborg]

DarkKnightHolmes wrote...

Sejborg wrote...

Dagr88 wrote...

Sejborg wrote...

LilyasAvalon wrote...

As people may or may not know, Dark Horse has been rather busy these last few months, releasing some new comics for DA. The Silent Grove and Those Who Do Not Speak follows Alistair, Isabela and Varric as Alistair searches for King Maric.

Didn't Maric die in the deep roads? Why is Alistair looking for him? Isn't it known that he is dead? 

And I thought he died at sea... This Marric guy is an enigma.

Well I might be wrong. Just seem to recall Maric dieing during the Calling. But I can't remember that book very well. It was kind of forgettable. 

But anyway. Why go looking for a dead guy? And also. Where is it said he died at sea? 

Uh no, he didn't die in "The Calling".

Hmm. Okay. Well it would have made that story make more sense - but okay. 

When was he lost at sea?

[Dagr88]

Maric was lost at sea on a voyage to Wycome in 9:25 Dragon, and was declared dead. Loghain Mac Tir searched for him for two years, to no avail. Rumors persisted however, that Maric was alive, being held in an Orlesian prison.

Source

Modifié par Dagr88, 03 novembre 2012 - 09:09 .

[Sejborg]

Dagr88 wrote...

Maric was lost at sea on a voyage to Wycome in 9:25 Dragon, and was declared dead. Loghain Mac Tir searched for him for two years, to no avail. Rumors persisted however, that Maric was alive, being held in an Orlesian prison.

Source

Oh dear. If it's true that the Orlesian have held Maric captive then the story is beyond stupid. Why would they do that?  The Orlesians have no way to benefit from that. 

Anyway. Thanks for the answers. 

On topic:
I hope Bioware will stop retconning. Except the darkspawn and the elves. They should change the way they look. The DA2 version were just terrible. 

[demont0]

It would be great if these comics and novels, are kept completely separate from in-game lore, with no references between the two.
I dislike spin-offs and tie-ins around a game, since i believe a game's story, should be completely inclusive to that game and that game only. I shouldn't have to read a load of sub-par comics/books, to be able to know, and understand, the complete story of a game.
I'll take WoW as an example of an awful way of doing spin-off's, and comic/novel tie-ins to a game:
In the release of WoW's latest expansion, one of the major city's in the game, and game lore, get's destroyed. This city was lead by a person (Jaina Proudmoore), who is also very important in the game lore.
After the destruction of the city (which happened just ebfore the expansion release), Jaina adopts, pretty much an entire new personality and a completely new perspective, since she always tried to make peace with the people who destroy'd her city.

Now, that's all well and good, yeay character development and all that. But none of this gets shown in the game, every part of what happens to jaina (even some other characters that get effected by the destruction of the city), is shoved into some novel. Inside the game, she's peace-loving one minute, you hop over into a new continent, and she's got grey hair, and wants to kill everytihng in sight.

That, is a bad way of doing spin-offs and tie-ins, and i fear this kind of activity, always resorts to WoW levels of awfulness over time, and this kind of story outsourcing, does nothing good for gaming.

Modifié par demont0, 03 novembre 2012 - 10:21 .

[LilyasAvalon]

Thank you for all your answers. I don't necessarily mind that Bioware makes their own canon for the comics/books, they did the same thing with ME. But the comics are still, to a point, relevant to the ME world.

Redemption told of how Shepard's body was recovered and ended up in Cerberus hands, Evolution told the back story of TIM and Invasion told of how Aria lost Omega. This all happens/happened regardless of Shepard's own personal choices.

So again, I'm just more wondering how relevant the events happening in the comics are to the DA3 game, is it a prelude to whatever big bad the protag in DA3 will face? If so, do the events still happen if Alistair is dead/exiled/a warden or if Isabela has been taken by the Qunari? Or are they just some 'what if' scenario?

Modifié par LilyasAvalon, 05 novembre 2012 - 03:03 .

[TheInquisitor]

Why do people always say Sten is dead if you left him in the cage? For all we know, he could have escaped.

[LilyasAvalon]

Most people assumed. I mean, the guy had gone weeks without food or water, had no key to his cage and no weapon to fight with. Sten is awesome, but I find it hard to imagine he could fend off a darkspawn horde.

Besides, Sten can die if the Warden kills him.

[TheInquisitor]

LilyasAvalon wrote...

Most people assumed. I mean, the guy had gone weeks without food or water, had no key to his cage and no weapon to fight with. Sten is awesome, but I find it hard to imagine he could fend off a darkspawn horde.

Besides, Sten can die if the Warden kills him.

Really? I can't find a video of Sten being killed... Got a link?

[LilyasAvalon]

Ah, nevermind, I thought you could kill him at Haven, turns out you can't. Oh well, at least his death can be written off easier than Leliana's. I mean, you actually had a battle with her and a cool finishing move and everything. I cut off her head!

Modifié par LilyasAvalon, 05 novembre 2012 - 03:14 .

[bleetman]

LilyasAvalon wrote...

Most people assumed. I mean, the guy had gone weeks without food or water, had no key to his cage and no weapon to fight with. Sten is awesome, but I find it hard to imagine he could fend off a darkspawn horde.

More importantly, he stays in his cage because he wants to die.

Modifié par bleetman, 05 novembre 2012 - 03:18 .