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[Nightwriter]

Argolas wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

Miranda > Brynn Cole

At least Brynn is fertile

Damn that's cold bro.

Or sis, as the case may be.

No, scratch that, sis just doesn't feel right.

[d-boy15]

30+ female with perfect body that deep down want to had a kid...

well, can't say I'm surprise. also, Jacob is not that bad. he might be boring but do you
expect every peoples you met to be a bad ass?

In fact if anyone looking for something virgin and innocence, they should look for Tali
and Liara instead. hell, Garrus used to sleep with ms.flexibility too.

Modifié par d-boy15, 04 novembre 2012 - 12:26 .

[Obvakhi]

Nightwriter wrote...

Did they have sex? It seemed kind of vague to me. He says "it got close, then it got really far apart." Sounds like he said "something almost happened, but then it didn't."

But there was that champagne scene in the iPhone game, which could be interpreted as suggestive. So yeah probably.

It doesn't really bother me either way. They don't seem very right for each other. Jacob doesn't seem to like baggage and Miranda has quite a bit.

There's nothing that straight up says they had sex.... people here are just speculating.
The "she requires a better man" comment could simply mean Jacob didn't pass the 'medical test' that Miranda was requesting from all those random dudes.

Modifié par Obvakhi, 04 novembre 2012 - 12:30 .

[Nightwriter]

Jacob's combat training and heroism in Galaxy say he is a badass. Just not an interesting badass.

[Stalker]

d-boy15 wrote...

30+ female with perfect body that deep down want to had a kid...

well, can't say I'm surprise. also, Jacob is not that bad. he might be boring but do you
expect every peoples you met to be a bad ass?

In fact if anyone looking for something virgin and innocence, they should look for Tali
and Liara instead. hell, Garrus used to sleep with ms.flexibility too.

That Miranda ever wanted a child is just blind speculation. Even more into the blue than IT... but yes, I am pretty sure every LI except Tali or Liara have had sex before. No big deal.

Modifié par Mr Massakka, 04 novembre 2012 - 12:41 .

[Steelcan]

It's irrelevant. Miranda is by Shepard's side and Jacob is with Brynn. It's the past, and I don't dare too much about it

[Loup Blanc]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

I guess once you go black, you can go back.

lol

[Nightwriter]

Obvakhi wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

Did they have sex? It seemed kind of vague to me. He says "it got close, then it got really far apart." Sounds like he said "something almost happened, but then it didn't."

But there was that champagne scene in the iPhone game, which could be interpreted as suggestive. So yeah probably.

It doesn't really bother me either way. They don't seem very right for each other. Jacob doesn't seem to like baggage and Miranda has quite a bit.

There's nothing that straight up says they had sex.... people here are just speculating.
The "she requires a better man" comment could simply mean Jacob didn't pass the 'medical test' that Miranda was requesting from all those random dudes.

Pretty much all of the information we get on their relationship is ambiguous. The champagne scene is ambiguous. Jacob's "it got close then it got really far apart" is ambiguous. His "if I knew what made her tick I'd either be with her or dead" is ambiguous. His "better man than I" is ambiguous. His "not sure which promise she meant though; not sure I want to know" is ambiguous. Even that Shadow Broker footage was inconclusive.

You can even accuse him of sour grapes when it comes to Miranda, and it's inconclusive. He turns away and says the talk is over. That could mean Shepard had touched a nerve or Jacob wasn't interested in having a conversation with someone who taunts him.

[SNascimento]

ZacTB wrote...

Mr Massakka wrote...

d-boy15 wrote...

30+ female with perfect body that deep down want to had a kid...

well, can't say I'm surprise. also, Jacob is not that bad. he might be boring but do you
expect every peoples you met to be a bad ass?

In fact if anyone looking for something virgin and innocence, they should look for Tali
and Liara instead. hell, Garrus used to sleep with ms.flexibility too.

That Miranda ever wanted a child is just blind speculation. Even more into the blue than IT... but yes, I am pretty sure every LI except Tali or Liara have had sex before. No big deal.

Not really. Her dating website history thing on the Shadow Broker dossier shows she was just looking for a healthy male, can't really think of any reason she would do this other than to get pregnant, probably without consulting the other person (seems like she was just using the man who she met on the dating website thing, the one who she told to meet on the Citadel). That, and her contacting a doctor about her infertility and also saying to Oriana in Mass Effect 3 if she dies that she wanted Oriana to have everything Miranda couldn't, which includes children. So yeah it's pretty clear Miranda does want kids. 

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To have fun? I always thought she was just messing around. Trying to get pregnant makes a lot of sense too. Except she was a high-ranking Cerberus operative. She would never be able to conciliate both.

[Stalker]

ZacTB wrote...

Mr Massakka wrote...

d-boy15 wrote...

30+ female with perfect body that deep down want to had a kid...

well, can't say I'm surprise. also, Jacob is not that bad. he might be boring but do you
expect every peoples you met to be a bad ass?

In fact if anyone looking for something virgin and innocence, they should look for Tali
and Liara instead. hell, Garrus used to sleep with ms.flexibility too.

That Miranda ever wanted a child is just blind speculation. Even more into the blue than IT... but yes, I am pretty sure every LI except Tali or Liara have had sex before. No big deal.

Not really. Her dating website history thing on the Shadow Broker dossier shows she was just looking for a healthy male, can't really think of any reason she would do this other than to get pregnant, probably without consulting the other person (seems like she was just using the man who she met on the dating website thing, the one who she told to meet on the Citadel). That, and her contacting a doctor about her infertility and also saying to Oriana in Mass Effect 3 if she dies that she wanted Oriana to have everything Miranda couldn't, which includes children. So yeah it's pretty clear Miranda does want kids.

That is just one interpretation out of many.

I personally fail to see a reason why she would want to raise kids all on her own when she is seen very ambitiously working for a paramilitary organization to advance humanity. And then just decide to have sex with random men instead of (you know, it's the future with perfected genetic engineering) just going to a sperm bank.

I see the dossier as simply searching for a healthy man to blow off steam with. Next visit at her doctor (to check for healthiness after?) simply reveals that she has a tumor. I don't interpret as much into it.

[Nightwriter]

I think she was at least trying to see if she can conceive. Doesn't necessarily mean she wanted a kid, but being raised by someone who demanded perfection probably made her extra neurotic about something like infertility, which is something even women who haven't been raised by megalomaniacs find it very hard to take.

[Undead Han]

Obvakhi wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

Did they have sex? It seemed kind of vague to me. He says "it got close, then it got really far apart." Sounds like he said "something almost happened, but then it didn't."

But there was that champagne scene in the iPhone game, which could be interpreted as suggestive. So yeah probably.

It doesn't really bother me either way. They don't seem very right for each other. Jacob doesn't seem to like baggage and Miranda has quite a bit.

There's nothing that straight up says they had sex.... people here are just speculating.
The "she requires a better man" comment could simply mean Jacob didn't pass the 'medical test' that Miranda was requesting from all those random dudes.

The end of of Mass Effect Galaxy suggested they did. ME2 just confirmed it.

I took the 'she requires a better man' comment to mean that Jacob was hoping for something more serious, whereas Miranda wasn't interested in more than a fling.

I see the dossier as simply searching for a healthy man to blow off steam with. Next visit at her doctor (to check for healthiness after?) simply reveals that she has a tumor. I don't interpret as much into it.

That is how I took it as well.

Trying to get pregnant with some random guy she had just met, in the midst of when she was preparing for a suicide mission, wouldn't make a whole lot of sense. It would also be out of character, IMO. Miranda may be many things but she certainly isn't a fool.

I think Miranda was just blowing off steam and it wasn't connected to her infertility.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 04 novembre 2012 - 01:33 .

[Nightwriter]

Well, if she wasn't trying to see if she was infertile, then she just makes a policy of requesting the medical records of her potential lovers. And that is just plain weird. I mean, she didn't ask for Shepard's.

But then... she would've already seen his, wouldn't she...

And if she really wanted to test her infertility she could've just gone to a sperm bank rather than have sex with strangers...

Man now I'm kinda creeped out. Sex with her requires a resumé.

No, no. That doesn't make sense. In her file she dismissed a guy who'd had some minor affliction in childhood or something. Why would she do that unless she wanted her partner to be as genetically ideal as possible? It's not like that condition could be sexually transmitted.

[Stalker]

So I guess both sides don't really make all that much sense... equally strong arguments.

Honestly, that dossier has been discussed to death already and there has never been a different conclusion than
"it is poorly written and you have to make up it's meaning".

Modifié par Mr Massakka, 04 novembre 2012 - 02:06 .

[Undead Han]

Mr Massakka wrote...

d-boy15 wrote...

30+ female with perfect body that deep down want to had a kid...

well, can't say I'm surprise. also, Jacob is not that bad. he might be boring but do you
expect every peoples you met to be a bad ass?

In fact if anyone looking for something virgin and innocence, they should look for Tali
and Liara instead. hell, Garrus used to sleep with ms.flexibility too.

That Miranda ever wanted a child is just blind speculation. Even more into the blue than IT... but yes, I am pretty sure every LI except Tali or Liara have had sex before. No big deal.

Actually there was some debate in the past about what exactly Liara meant. She gives a speech to Shepard on how seriously the Asari take the whole mind meld thing with their partners, and then goes on to tell Shepard in a rather awkward fashion that she hasn't done it. Was she referring to the physical act of sex? Or just the mind meld? Do Asari even have sex without the mind meld?

In short that whole conversation with Liara was a little ambiguous on whether she did it or didn't and can be interpreted either way.

[Nightwriter]

C'mon now. It was pretty clear Liara was a virgin in every respect. Shepard says something like "you mean this will be your first time?" and she responds with something about how it's a meaningful act and she always wanted to be careful about who she shared it with, etc. She's awkward around people and often talks about her inexperience. She acts like you're the first person she's ever really gotten close to.

I think this constant criticism about Liara being dependent and simpering just makes some Liara fans want to believe she was a little more worldly and independent in ME1 than people make out.

[High Five Revival]

MassEffectFShep wrote...

Foxhound2121 wrote...

MassEffectFShep wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

For those of you who had Miranda as Shepard's LI, how did you feel about the reveal she used to be sleeping with Jacob?

Just asking out of curiosity, since Jacob was one of the least popular squadmates.

is this ME2 or ME3?

Really really old news from me2. I'm not surprised if people don't know. You would have to want to talk to Jacob in order to hear it.

Oh, is it Jacob's one-liner about how she requires a better man or something? I thought this was new dialogue, nevermind.

And yeah, to me it says she had *awful* taste.

That was my take-away from it too.   Jacob - really?    But, thankfully my Shepherd was able to forgive her for her moment of temporary insanity and allow her to be with a better man after all.      But - yeah - if you didn't really get to know Jacob (which was hard to do), then you might never have found this out.    It didn't shock me when I found out, but I'm glad to know that it's over.

[ShadyKat]

Several years later, and I still don't get why people hate Jacob. True, he's boring. But besides that, he's a decent guy.

[BassStyles]

How do I feel about it? Probably the same as Miranda feels about me boinking Ashley in the first game. Everyone has their history. Working with Jacob doesn't matter cuz my Shepard is grounded and doesn't get jealous :-P

[hadrain77]

Han Shot First wrote...

Obvakhi wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

Did they have sex? It seemed kind of vague to me. He says "it got close, then it got really far apart." Sounds like he said "something almost happened, but then it didn't."

But there was that champagne scene in the iPhone game, which could be interpreted as suggestive. So yeah probably.

It doesn't really bother me either way. They don't seem very right for each other. Jacob doesn't seem to like baggage and Miranda has quite a bit.

There's nothing that straight up says they had sex.... people here are just speculating.
The "she requires a better man" comment could simply mean Jacob didn't pass the 'medical test' that Miranda was requesting from all those random dudes.

The end of of Mass Effect Galaxy suggested they did. ME2 just confirmed it.

I took the 'she requires a better man' comment to mean that Jacob was hoping for something more serious, whereas Miranda wasn't interested in more than a fling.

I see the dossier as simply searching for a healthy man to blow off steam with. Next visit at her doctor (to check for healthiness after?) simply reveals that she has a tumor. I don't interpret as much into it.

That is how I took it as well.

Trying to get pregnant with some random guy she had just met, in the midst of when she was preparing for a suicide mission, wouldn't make a whole lot of sense. It would also be out of character, IMO. Miranda may be many things but she certainly isn't a fool.

I think Miranda was just blowing off steam and it wasn't connected to her infertility.

Maybe it's just me but when I read the dossier I didn't even think she was after sex. My interpretation was she was looking for an organ donor for Shep. She was very specific about the guy being healthy and of a certain DNA/blood type. We know from Garrus's personal mission in ME1 that organs weren't exactly grown in tubes, why the good doctor was growing  them in people. Sheps body would of been in such a bad state that he would've needed new organs, of course his brains a whole other matter but then Project Lazarus never did make much sense. I for one wouldn't put it past Miranda as she was told to get Shep back no matter the cost.

[HomerIsLegend]

Wait, there are people who actually "hate" Zaeed?

[hot_heart]

Nightwriter wrote...
No, no. That doesn't make sense. In her file she dismissed a guy who'd had some minor affliction in childhood or something. Why would she do that unless she wanted her partner to be as genetically ideal as possible? It's not like that condition could be sexually transmitted.

Sorry, but that's incorrect. The way it is phrased it sounds exactly like she is screening for STDs; absolutely nothing about a childhood affliction.

Also, whoever said she was searching for blood types or such is misremembering as well. Interesting organ harvesting theory though.

Read the dossier here.

I think it's pretty clear it was for blowing off steam. It's stereotypical 'busy woman, straight to business' writing. And it doesn't make sense that she'd be trying to get pregnant. For one, there's her work to which she is still devoted at that time. Also, when you consider her own upbringing (coming to terms with why she was created) and what she wanted for Oriana (two parents, normal upbringing), raising a child herself, from an anonymous and involuntary sperm donor, doesn't really match up.

[andy6915]

The reason why she wants kids but doesn't want to get artificially inseminated, is that it's her why of further rebelling against her father. She was made completely artificially, didn't even have a mother, was grown in a tube, has her genes and DNA toyed with. She wants a child born of 100% natural means, the absolute total opposite of her "birth". No artificial insemination, no gene modification, no help from scientists. Just her, her body, and making a child from within from sperm obtained through the normal means sperm is supposed to make it to the egg (sex). I got this idea from TV tropes, a certain discussion in the fringe logic section.

http://tvtropes.org/...dge/MassEffect-

"Miranda wants something that she can call completely and utterly something she did on her own by her own violation with no outside help at all. She also would want her children to be the same - win or lose based on their own abilities not the abilities given to them by others. A non-IVF baby and birth would be the ultimate expression of this as much as she could get. Her want for a baby is all her own. Having getting pregnant naturally means it was purely the result of her and another (no scientists). A natural birth wouldn't be perfect (infant mortality is high without advanced medicine). And that's part of the point - she wants imperfection and adversity. She wants challenge. She wants to prove and have something that wasn't 'programmed' into her and she wants to do it without any help."

Read the whole discussion if you want, it's interesting.

Modifié par andy69156915, 05 novembre 2012 - 08:48 .