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[Ironhandjustice]

Mr.House wrote...

Ironhandjustice wrote...

I just say I'm making progress. It is slowed by my (real life) job, but I still making cool things.

Once all the effects and things I need are under my control, I'll start to record. Only few concept things to go. Cross fingers.

Is this the fleet battle with Harbinger you are working on?

Maybe :innocent:.

Be patient, I'll try to make stuff as fast as possible.

[eric2465]

 I was hoping that my fellow MEHEM fans might have some suggestions.  Since MEHEM is now my default ending I have been trying to figure out how the Leviathans and Reapers should be viewed without the Starbrat.  

Both the Leviathans and the AI on Thessia mention the Intelligence as being the master behind the Reapers.  Should that be Harbinger now?  Are the Reapers independent or are they indoctrinated by Harbinger?  Or is the Intelligence a gestalt mind that all Reapers share?  What do you think?

[CommanderVyse]

Perhaps the Reapers are like the Geth and each ship is a mobile platform like Legion, "we are each a nation". The natural state of the Geth is in cyberspace while the platforms and ships are just vessels. The "intelligence" is the Reaper collective that controls the Reaper platforms.

[Dr_Extrem]

eric2465 wrote...

 I was hoping that my fellow MEHEM fans might have some suggestions.  Since MEHEM is now my default ending I have been trying to figure out how the Leviathans and Reapers should be viewed without the Starbrat.  

Both the Leviathans and the AI on Thessia mention the Intelligence as being the master behind the Reapers.  Should that be Harbinger now?  Are the Reapers independent or are they indoctrinated by Harbinger?  Or is the Intelligence a gestalt mind that all Reapers share?  What do you think?

harbinger was the first reaper - that is crystal clear.

the levialthans programmed "the thing" but they dont really know, what happened to it, after their civilisation was harvested.

imo, it is highly possible, that the ai and the harvested leviathans merged and formed a new entitiy, that called itself harbinger. the following reapers were build in a similar way, using the ais original or slightly adapted code.

it is clear, thet the combined minds of all leviathans in combination with the ais interfacing abilities, would form an entity, that is superior to any individual or civilisation (that is not thinking in harmony).
billions of minds, working in perfect harmony (due to the ais interface), could come to the conclusion, that their level of existance is superior and that the lesser, rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood should be ascended (the bacteria does not know what is good for it - yet), when they reach their pinnacle. that would fit to the lore of mass effect 1 & 2.

[Dr.Freeman]

When I try to run the installer it says "Default.sfar is incorrect size."
Is that because I'm using an international version of ME3 ?

[ekurian]

Finally played with this mod last night, and I gotta say it's really well done and actually brought me to tears |D
The best part of it was no Starbrat- every time I ended up talking to that thing in the original ending I just skipped through it because he aggravates me ><

eric2465 wrote...

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Both the Leviathans and the AI on Thessia mention the Intelligence as being the master behind the Reapers.  Should that be Harbinger now?  

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When I first played I actually thought that this Intelligence mentioned WAS Harbinger, but then Starbrat appeared. With this new ending, it makes a lot more sense for Harby to be the Intelligence, especially since he's made out to be the big bad leader.

[Iakus]

eric2465 wrote...

 I was hoping that my fellow MEHEM fans might have some suggestions.  Since MEHEM is now my default ending I have been trying to figure out how the Leviathans and Reapers should be viewed without the Starbrat.  

Both the Leviathans and the AI on Thessia mention the Intelligence as being the master behind the Reapers.  Should that be Harbinger now?  Are the Reapers independent or are they indoctrinated by Harbinger?  Or is the Intelligence a gestalt mind that all Reapers share?  What do you think?

My own thought is that the AI was destroyed long ago, but not before the Reapers became self-propogating.  They are now continuing its work: operating on imperatives from an entity that's been dead for millions of years.  Kinda like the Berserkers.  And the tragic irony is, they think they are doing it of their own free will.  They believe they are "Each a nation, independant, free of all weakness" but they are second generation AIs, programmed to complete a task even they don't understand.

[Mr.House]

Here is my opinion on the intelligence. It's there, no one can argue that. I however headcanon that the intelligence is a part of Harbinger, it's why Harbinger has the yellow eyes(no other Reaper has anything even similar). Harbinger and the Intelligence are the same being, when Harbinger speaks to Shepard, the intelligence is also speaking. When Harbinger dies, this also means the end to the Intelligence.

That's my headcanon with MEHEM getting rid of the Intelligence scene(a good thing too) and I like it.

Modifié par Mr.House, 16 mars 2013 - 06:27 .

[creapsmantic]

lets Say Harbinger is the A.I and the A.i Integrated its self into Harbinger during its creation

[Ironhandjustice]

Mr.House wrote...

Here is my opinion on the intelligence. It's there, no one can argue that. I however headcanon that the intelligence is a part of Harbinger, it's why Harbinger has the yellow eyes(no other Reaper has anything even similar). Harbinger and the Intelligence are the same being, when Harbinger speaks to Shepard, the intelligence is also speaking. When Harbinger dies, this also means the end to the Intelligence.

That's my headcanon with MEHEM getting rid of the Intelligence scene(a good thing too) and I like it.

This hurts starkid xD

Well, it was like this for me. Starkid is Harbinger, no matters how we get it, according to inner game files, that's it.

[Dr_Extrem]

creapsmantic wrote...

lets Say Harbinger is the A.I and the A.i Integrated its self into Harbinger during its creation

concisely - thats essentially what i wanted to express.

the wrriters are fans of deus ex (i am as well - i played deus ex, before it had retractable blades and cool grafics). well ... deidalus and icarus were merged to form helios. 

the ai and the leviathans merged and formed harbinger.  

Modifié par Dr_Extrem, 16 mars 2013 - 08:52 .

[Dr.Freeman]

AAAAH need help.
I installed MEHEM without the installer and everything worked fine except for the memorial scene. I only get sound but no picture. Any idea what went wrong ?

Another question, there are some files in the movies folder which are not mentioned in the instruction, why are they not use and could this be the problem ? Like "End03_flashbach_edi.bik" and some other files. I wanted to replace them as well, but since this is not mentioned in the instruction, I didn't use them.

Modifié par Dr.Freeman, 16 mars 2013 - 08:58 .

[creapsmantic]

Dr.Freeman wrote...

AAAAH need help.
I installed MEHEM without the installer and everything worked fine except for the memorial scene. I only get sound but no picture. Any idea what went wrong ?

use the installer this time  it  should fix the stuff

[Dr.Freeman]

Yeah is doesn't work with international ME3 version, as I mentioned above.

[creapsmantic]

still the one issue we can all agree on is this (giving the size the of leviathans Harbinger its self should be much more Massive in scale ) perhaps almost the size of a small moon

[Dr.Freeman]

Dr.Freeman wrote...

AAAAH need help.
I installed MEHEM without the installer and everything worked fine except for the memorial scene. I only get sound but no picture. Any idea what went wrong ?

Another question, there are some files in the movies folder which are not mentioned in the instruction, why are they not use and could this be the problem ? Like "End03_flashbach_edi.bik" and some other files. I wanted to replace them as well, but since this is not mentioned in the instruction, I didn't use them.

Yes, I should have used these files as well. Never mind, everything works fine now. Except I still get the original Stargazer scene and the screen turns black after that, then nothing happens. Meh.

Modifié par Dr.Freeman, 16 mars 2013 - 09:30 .

[CommanderVyse]

Dr.Freeman wrote...

Yes, I should have used these files as well. Never mind, everything works fine now. Except I still get the original Stargazer scene and the screen turns black after that, then nothing happens. Meh.

You get all the way through the Bioware credits before having an error? The stargazer scene has the original dialouge currently, just with MEHEM credits on top of the picture. Are you not seeing the MEHEM credits? I don't recall anyone else having reported this issue yet.

[Dr.Freeman]

I get the end credits with the new song, skipped the credits and got the Stargazer scene without the MEHEM credits. Then a black screen and the game crashed.

[CommanderVyse]

Dr.Freeman wrote...

I get the end credits with the new song, skipped the credits and got the Stargazer scene without the MEHEM credits. Then a black screen and the game crashed.

My only guess is that a file was missed during the manual install.

Does anyone else here have the international version and can confirm v0.3 shows the MEHEM credits?

[eric2465]

Mr.House wrote...

Here is my opinion on the intelligence. It's there, no one can argue that. I however headcanon that the intelligence is a part of Harbinger, it's why Harbinger has the yellow eyes(no other Reaper has anything even similar). Harbinger and the Intelligence are the same being, when Harbinger speaks to Shepard, the intelligence is also speaking. When Harbinger dies, this also means the end to the Intelligence.

That's my headcanon with MEHEM getting rid of the Intelligence scene(a good thing too) and I like it.

This is very similar to what I have as my head cannon.  I tend to think that Harbinger and the Intelligence form a separate new being, than when he was just the AI of the Leviathans.  It does seem clear that the other Reapers view him as their leader and seem to defer to him...or at least the do in my story.:innocent:  Though as some have suggested it would be interesting if the other Reapers were in the blind as to their true origins.  Isn't is amazing how Mr. Fob improved the narrative, separate from the ending, just by getting rid of Casper.

Modifié par eric2465, 16 mars 2013 - 11:49 .

[MrFob]

Dr.Freeman wrote...

I get the end credits with the new song, skipped the credits and got the Stargazer scene without the MEHEM credits. Then a black screen and the game crashed.

Sounds like you forgot to copy the end004.bik into the "movies" folder of the main game.
BTW, if the installer doesn't work, most save way to go is to do the following:
Go to Origin, look at the game details for ME3, right click on the Exteded Cut DLC and choose "repair" in the context menu. After the repair is complete, do the same thing for the Leviathan DLC. After that, use the v0.3 installer to install MEHEM.

About the intelligence: Well, speculation for EVERYONE!!!

No seriously, I haven't played Leviathan yet. The mod was made without taking any info from there into account. As far as the prothean VI goes, it's been a while since i listened to the dialogue but as far as I remember, it was possible to interpret it in such a way that the catalyst does not have to be an intelligence but might really just be a catalyst in the more technical sense. I.e. the crucible needs systems on board the citadel to be activated to full effect.
That was my original take on it, however, when I am through Leviathan, I may know more.

Personally, I absolutely hate the idea that the reapers are guided by one intelligence. It diminishes every single one of them. Also, it sort of diminishes Sovereigns dialogue in ME1: "We are each a nation, independent, free of all weakness". That would have been a blatant lie.

All in all, I am quite happy with keeping the reaper's motives and their organisational structure vague in this scenario. A>fter all, they are living on a "level of existence you cannot fathom". I get that. I know I have trouble wrapping my head around the concept of living for a billion years or more.
That said, together with frypan, we have some plans to go a little bit into the nature of what's happening in the end in future versions. However, I think it will be un-intrusive enough not to interfere with anyone's headcannon about the whole thing.

Modifié par MrFob, 17 mars 2013 - 12:07 .

[Jackal13th]

well i ran across the patch after the citadel DLC did the uninstall of the old MEHEM 2.0 installed the
new MEHEM 03 and finished the happy ending :-)
 thanks for the new installer MEHEM .

Modifié par Jackal13th, 17 mars 2013 - 12:37 .

[DEADLINE2000]

Has Bioware said anything about this great mod? I wont get banned 4 using it will I?

[MrFob]

@DEADLINE2000: Nope, you won't get banned for SP mods and we are all still here as well.
BW never really said anything about this particular mod but they let us do our thing, so I'm happy.

[Chashan]

MrFob wrote...


No seriously, I haven't played Leviathan yet. The mod was made without taking any info from there into account. As far as the prothean VI goes, it's been a while since i listened to the dialogue but as far as I remember, it was possible to interpret it in such a way that the catalyst does not have to be an intelligence but might really just be a catalyst in the more technical sense. I.e. the crucible needs systems on board the citadel to be activated to full effect.
That was my original take on it, however, when I am through Leviathan, I may know more.

Personally, I absolutely hate the idea that the reapers are guided by one intelligence. It diminishes every single one of them. Also, it sort of diminishes Sovereigns dialogue in ME1: "We are each a nation, independent, free of all weakness". That would have been a blatant lie.

All in all, I am quite happy with keeping the reaper's motives and their organisational structure vague in this scenario. A>fter all, they are living on a "level of existence you cannot fathom". I get that. I know I have trouble wrapping my head around the concept of living for a billion years or more.
That said, together with frypan, we have some plans to go a little bit into the nature of what's happening in the end in future versions. However, I think it will be un-intrusive enough not to interfere with anyone's headcannon about the whole thing.

To drop this much of a spoiler: the Leviathans aren't that much more conducive as far as providing dead-certain information regarding the "Intelligence" is concerned, thus largely retaining the vagueness and ambiguity to the thing. To the point that, even having played Leviathan, the absence of the "Intelligence" is hardly noticed.

Modifié par Chashan, 17 mars 2013 - 07:02 .