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[3DandBeyond]

Maxster_ wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

Would be great, if relay damage is removed.
Otherwise, it will take centuries to rebuild, thus making Earth and allied fleets finished.

I don't so much mind this if it made sense.  It's in the EC as well.  The codex says a ruptured relay would ruin all terrestrial worlds in a system, so the damaged relay in the ending really looks like it is ruptured.

I have no problem with things needing to be fixed since that makes sense, but the devs should have at least paid attention to what they said in the game.

Problem with relay fixing is 1) unknown and advanced technology(need resources and time(a lot of) to study), 2) enormous anmount of resources(especially eezo) needed to fix, 3) both ends need to be repaired, 4) homeworlds devastated(meaning destroyed infrastructure and unability to even sustain itself, not to create some advanced and resource-eating project).
This is exactly why Earth and allied fleets are completely screwed.

Oh yes, I do understand the monumental task at hand.  And it's one of the reasons there are still ending problems.  On the list of problems though, it falls way short because for me the choices, the kid and all that are the big stinky poo elephant in the room.  I can head canon a lot of things, even that someone somewhere gleaned relay knowledge and can make use of it.  Then there's the whole idea of communications to coordinate repairs (QEC, I would think would be out of the question).  There's a lot of that, but since for me the most important part of the story was the characters and achieving the goal, a lot of the tech aspects (aside from crashed Normandys and starving people) are secondary.  The destroyed relays in the original endings were a real problem, but BW didn't even fully solve that in the EC-they just used slides, smiley slides to say all is well.

[jtav]

@Iakus

Indeed. I didn't like this ending. So I'm not installing. You guys are welcome to it.

Modifié par jtav, 04 novembre 2012 - 07:12 .

[Iakus]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Oh yes, I do understand the monumental task at hand.  And it's one of the reasons there are still ending problems.  On the list of problems though, it falls way short because for me the choices, the kid and all that are the big stinky poo elephant in the room.  I can head canon a lot of things, even that someone somewhere gleaned relay knowledge and can make use of it.  Then there's the whole idea of communications to coordinate repairs (QEC, I would think would be out of the question).  There's a lot of that, but since for me the most important part of the story was the characters and achieving the goal, a lot of the tech aspects (aside from crashed Normandys and starving people) are secondary.  The destroyed relays in the original endings were a real problem, but BW didn't even fully solve that in the EC-they just used slides, smiley slides to say all is well.

This to me is a big part of what makes the ending "bittersweet"  The Reapers are destroyed, the galaxy is unified, and Shepard is alive and won with honor.  But there is still a monumental task left in cleaning the galaxy up.  The logistics will be a nightmare.  There will likely still be losses.  But the galaxy is free.  There era of the Reapers is over.  Time for a new story to begin.  New problems to solve. 

Besides, I suspect the asari know more about the relays than they let on, thanks to Aethyta's passing comment in ME2 that beacon in ME3 

Bitter:  The galaxy is trashed and needs to be rebuilt
Sweet:  It can be rebuilt.  And Shepard will be a part of the rebuilding

[Iakus]

jtav wrote...

@Iakus

Indeed. I didn't like this ending. So I'm not installing. You guys are welcome to it.

And you are welcome to your own preferred ending, with no hard feelings.

Options are wonderful things

[GreyLycanTrope]

iakus wrote...

jtav wrote...

@Iakus

Indeed. I didn't like this ending. So I'm not installing. You guys are welcome to it.

And you are welcome to your own preferred ending, with no hard feelings.

Options are wonderful things

Indeed no one's trying to force a perspective on you, we're not the Catalyst.

[Maxster_]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

Would be great, if relay damage is removed.
Otherwise, it will take centuries to rebuild, thus making Earth and allied fleets finished.

I don't so much mind this if it made sense.  It's in the EC as well.  The codex says a ruptured relay would ruin all terrestrial worlds in a system, so the damaged relay in the ending really looks like it is ruptured.

I have no problem with things needing to be fixed since that makes sense, but the devs should have at least paid attention to what they said in the game.

Problem with relay fixing is 1) unknown and advanced technology(need resources and time(a lot of) to study), 2) enormous anmount of resources(especially eezo) needed to fix, 3) both ends need to be repaired, 4) homeworlds devastated(meaning destroyed infrastructure and unability to even sustain itself, not to create some advanced and resource-eating project).
This is exactly why Earth and allied fleets are completely screwed.

Oh yes, I do understand the monumental task at hand.  And it's one of the reasons there are still ending problems.  On the list of problems though, it falls way short because for me the choices, the kid and all that are the big stinky poo elephant in the room.  I can head canon a lot of things, even that someone somewhere gleaned relay knowledge and can make use of it.  Then there's the whole idea of communications to coordinate repairs (QEC, I would think would be out of the question).  There's a lot of that, but since for me the most important part of the story was the characters and achieving the goal, a lot of the tech aspects (aside from crashed Normandys and starving people) are secondary.  The destroyed relays in the original endings were a real problem, but BW didn't even fully solve that in the EC-they just used slides, smiley slides to say all is well.

Well, i don't like Earth being finished, and allied fleets personnel starving to death, and never to see their homeworlds.
Of course, that depends of mod's author message, but i'm just trying to make his ending better.
Idea of relay damage(or destruction) is very bad idea, it making all choices even more meaningless that they already are. It is not some minor thing, you know. All economics, politics and relations are tied to existence of the relays.

Anyway, in this mod Catalyst is completely removed, thus giving instantly 5/10 bonus to rating Removal of that crap fixing overarching plot of the series, and making ME1 and ME2 not pointless; and also gives feeling of victory.

[AB Souldier]

Bioware please learn from this guy

[Maxster_]

iakus wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

Oh yes, I do understand the monumental task at hand.  And it's one of the reasons there are still ending problems.  On the list of problems though, it falls way short because for me the choices, the kid and all that are the big stinky poo elephant in the room.  I can head canon a lot of things, even that someone somewhere gleaned relay knowledge and can make use of it.  Then there's the whole idea of communications to coordinate repairs (QEC, I would think would be out of the question).  There's a lot of that, but since for me the most important part of the story was the characters and achieving the goal, a lot of the tech aspects (aside from crashed Normandys and starving people) are secondary.  The destroyed relays in the original endings were a real problem, but BW didn't even fully solve that in the EC-they just used slides, smiley slides to say all is well.

This to me is a big part of what makes the ending "bittersweet"  The Reapers are destroyed, the galaxy is unified, and Shepard is alive and won with honor.  But there is still a monumental task left in cleaning the galaxy up.  The logistics will be a nightmare.  There will likely still be losses.  But the galaxy is free.  There era of the Reapers is over.  Time for a new story to begin.  New problems to solve. 

Besides, I suspect the asari know more about the relays than they let on, thanks to Aethyta's passing comment in ME2 that beacon in ME3 

Bitter:  The galaxy is trashed and needs to be rebuilt
Sweet:  It can be rebuilt.  And Shepard will be a part of the rebuilding

Then you do not understand complexity of that task.
Also, conjectures based on some bartenteder's vague words are not facts. There is no other source in codex or game, that asari is capable of building relays. That could be great idea for Crucible, not nonsensical crap about countless cycles building unknown device to interface with another unknown device, but asari ideas based on prothean(from archives) and reaper(from collector's base) knowledge leading to creation on device that damages reaper internal structure and spreads through relays.
Of course there would be no control and synthesis "choices", and no Catalyst. And that would be too videogamey.

Modifié par Maxster_, 04 novembre 2012 - 07:33 .

[3DandBeyond]

Maxster_ wrote...

Well, i don't like Earth being finished, and allied fleets personnel starving to death, and never to see their homeworlds.
Of course, that depends of mod's author message, but i'm just trying to make his ending better.
Idea of relay damage(or destruction) is very bad idea, it making all choices even more meaningless that they already are. It is not some minor thing, you know. All economics, politics and relations are tied to existence of the relays.

Anyway, in this mod Catalyst is completely removed, thus giving instantly 5/10 bonus to rating Removal of that crap fixing overarching plot of the series, and making ME1 and ME2 not pointless; and also gives feeling of victory.

Oh I do agree.  Sorry if it sounded like I wasn't.  I just meant this was a great start and it appears OP is open to fixing things.  It's just that this (if I had a PC, but even looking at the videos) does help me a lot.  The relay thing bothers me and so I could see fixing it.  I do want the Disney ending-wanted a more Disney-like one as one possibility and one worked for and this I think does go far in leaving the game with a better feeling.  I don't want everyone starving to death or Earth destroyed.  I don't want the Geth and EDI destroyed.  I don't want Shepard destroyed. 

[AB Souldier]

I wish this was the official ending. After 3 games, ME3 DESERVES a perfect ending!

[Maxster_]

It's just that this (if I had a PC, but even looking at the videos) does help me a lot.

Unfortunately, EAWare will never release something like that. So that leaves only one method for xbox console.

[MegaSovereign]

Maxster_ wrote...

narayani d.d wrote...

Whatever the happy ending, fans are not made​​, the canon will be canon. And it's better to let the bitter reality than sugary-sweet dream.

Sure, ME universe is canonically utterly destroyed.
Canon is agreement between fans and authors. And if authors decide to completely ignore their own lore and setting - then fans will declare that non-canon.
Deal with it

I serisously don't like your attitude.  Fans aren't a singular unit. They have different opinions.

[Remix-General Aetius]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

I think "rude" would be a better description for you.

you 5 years old or were you born without skin? grow a sack or something.

[Mathias]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

narayani d.d wrote...

Whatever the happy ending, fans are not made​​, the canon will be canon. And it's better to let the bitter reality than sugary-sweet dream.

Sure, ME universe is canonically utterly destroyed.
Canon is agreement between fans and authors. And if authors decide to completely ignore their own lore and setting - then fans will declare that non-canon.
Deal with it

I serisously don't like your attitude.  Fans aren't a singular unit. They have different opinions.

Mega I agree with you, but i kinda agree with him as well. This sort've thing has happened before. Highlander 2 and Dragonball GT are a couple examples i can think off the top of my head.

[Mathias]

TheGarden2010 wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

I think "rude" would be a better description for you.

you 5 years old or were you born without skin? grow a sack or something.

Well see now you're just proving my point.

You know sometimes i act like a d*** to people too. But when someone puts in a lot of hard work without getting paid, and does it for other people, then you should show some appreciation regardless. It's also already been made clear that the mod is still a work in progress.

[MegaSovereign]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

narayani d.d wrote...

Whatever the happy ending, fans are not made​​, the canon will be canon. And it's better to let the bitter reality than sugary-sweet dream.

Sure, ME universe is canonically utterly destroyed.
Canon is agreement between fans and authors. And if authors decide to completely ignore their own lore and setting - then fans will declare that non-canon.
Deal with it

I serisously don't like your attitude.  Fans aren't a singular unit. They have different opinions.

Mega I agree with you, but i kinda agree with him as well. This sort've thing has happened before. Highlander 2 and Dragonball GT are a couple examples i can think off the top of my head.

I don't think it's particularly fair or accurate to compare the ME3 endings to DBGT.

DBGT had a lot of objective flaws that even people who liked it couldn't ignore. On the other hand, what people consider to be the ideal ME3 ending is mostly subjective. It's not fair to say people who like the endings only like it because they have lower standards. That's such an elitest attitude. At the same people who say "oh you just didn't understand the endings because it's too deep for you" also irritate me.

Whether you agree with his sentiment or not, his description of what is "canon" is actually incorrect.  In fact even Bioware said that there is no real canon ending to ME3. This makes this mod even more appealing.

Modifié par MegaSovereign, 04 novembre 2012 - 08:09 .

[Maxster_]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

narayani d.d wrote...

Whatever the happy ending, fans are not made​​, the canon will be canon. And it's better to let the bitter reality than sugary-sweet dream.

Sure, ME universe is canonically utterly destroyed.
Canon is agreement between fans and authors. And if authors decide to completely ignore their own lore and setting - then fans will declare that non-canon.
Deal with it

I serisously don't like your attitude.  Fans aren't a singular unit. They have different opinions.

Exactly. And that's why there is at least two canons. And anti-enders canons are more valid, because they fit into universe and lore, and not making ME1 and ME2 completely pointless. And EAWare and your are less valid.
Deal with it. Not that your disagreement will ever change anti-enders opinions, you know.

[GreyLycanTrope]

MegaSovereign wrote...

In fact even Bioware said that there is no real canon ending to ME3. This makes this mod even more appealing.

And valid in terms of narrative.

[MegaSovereign]

Maxster_ wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

narayani d.d wrote...

Whatever the happy ending, fans are not made​​, the canon will be canon. And it's better to let the bitter reality than sugary-sweet dream.

Sure, ME universe is canonically utterly destroyed.
Canon is agreement between fans and authors. And if authors decide to completely ignore their own lore and setting - then fans will declare that non-canon.
Deal with it

I serisously don't like your attitude.  Fans aren't a singular unit. They have different opinions.

Exactly. And that's why there is at least two canons. And anti-enders canons are more valid, because they fit into universe and lore, and not making ME1 and ME2 completely pointless. And EAWare and your are less valid.
Deal with it. Not that your disagreement will ever change anti-enders opinions, you know.

It's ironic that the person who is having a harder time moving on from a videogame ending is telling me to "deal with it."

Grow up.

[Ghost]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

narayani d.d wrote...

Whatever the happy ending, fans are not made​​, the canon will be canon. And it's better to let the bitter reality than sugary-sweet dream.

Sure, ME universe is canonically utterly destroyed.
Canon is agreement between fans and authors. And if authors decide to completely ignore their own lore and setting - then fans will declare that non-canon.
Deal with it

I serisously don't like your attitude.  Fans aren't a singular unit. They have different opinions.

Exactly. And that's why there is at least two canons. And anti-enders canons are more valid, because they fit into universe and lore, and not making ME1 and ME2 completely pointless. And EAWare and your are less valid.
Deal with it. Not that your disagreement will ever change anti-enders opinions, you know.

It's ironic that the person who is having a harder time moving on from a videogame ending is telling me to "deal with it."

Grow up.

People are still upset after what like 7-8 months?

[Maxster_]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

narayani d.d wrote...

Whatever the happy ending, fans are not made​​, the canon will be canon. And it's better to let the bitter reality than sugary-sweet dream.

Sure, ME universe is canonically utterly destroyed.
Canon is agreement between fans and authors. And if authors decide to completely ignore their own lore and setting - then fans will declare that non-canon.
Deal with it

I serisously don't like your attitude.  Fans aren't a singular unit. They have different opinions.

Exactly. And that's why there is at least two canons. And anti-enders canons are more valid, because they fit into universe and lore, and not making ME1 and ME2 completely pointless. And EAWare and your are less valid.
Deal with it. Not that your disagreement will ever change anti-enders opinions, you know.

It's ironic that the person who is having a harder time moving on from a videogame ending is telling me to "deal with it."

Grow up.

And what exactly you are doing here, on videogame company's site?
Those hypocrites are funny

[Mathias]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

narayani d.d wrote...

Whatever the happy ending, fans are not made​​, the canon will be canon. And it's better to let the bitter reality than sugary-sweet dream.

Sure, ME universe is canonically utterly destroyed.
Canon is agreement between fans and authors. And if authors decide to completely ignore their own lore and setting - then fans will declare that non-canon.
Deal with it

I serisously don't like your attitude.  Fans aren't a singular unit. They have different opinions.

Mega I agree with you, but i kinda agree with him as well. This sort've thing has happened before. Highlander 2 and Dragonball GT are a couple examples i can think off the top of my head.

I don't think it's particularly fair or accurate to compare the ME3 endings to DBGT.

DBGT had a lot of objective flaws that even people who liked it couldn't ignore. On the other hand, what people consider to be the ideal ME3 ending is mostly subjective. It's not fair to say people who like the endings only like it because they have lower standards. That's such an elitest attitude. At the same people who say "oh you just didn't understand the endings because it's too deep for you" also irritate me.

Whether you agree with his sentiment or not, his description of what is "canon" is actually incorrect.  In fact even Bioware said that there is no real canon ending to ME3. This makes this mod even more appealing.

Well said, although i'm mostly talking about the general idea of fans determining what's canon. I think the magnitude between ME3's ending and DBGT is certaintly a lot different. But imagine for a second that this mod was cleaned up, much better polished and was available for all consoles as dlc. I think there'd be a staggering amount of fans who would consider it to be the canon ending, regardless of Bioware's opinion.

I also think what people consider to be a better ending for ME3 is subjective. However I personally don't think it's subjective to say what we got as an ending was the right move by Bioware. Ok i'll be a bit more fair and say it isn't as subjective. if that makes any lick of sense. I won't ignore the fact that no matter what you do, there will be people who don't like it. However for ME3's ending the amount of hatred/dislike towards it was way too heavy and widespread to shrug off.

I know it's still technically subjective, but....ya know.

Modifié par Mdoggy1214, 04 novembre 2012 - 08:25 .

[MegaSovereign]

Maxster_ wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

narayani d.d wrote...

Whatever the happy ending, fans are not made​​, the canon will be canon. And it's better to let the bitter reality than sugary-sweet dream.

Sure, ME universe is canonically utterly destroyed.
Canon is agreement between fans and authors. And if authors decide to completely ignore their own lore and setting - then fans will declare that non-canon.
Deal with it

I serisously don't like your attitude.  Fans aren't a singular unit. They have different opinions.

Exactly. And that's why there is at least two canons. And anti-enders canons are more valid, because they fit into universe and lore, and not making ME1 and ME2 completely pointless. And EAWare and your are less valid.
Deal with it. Not that your disagreement will ever change anti-enders opinions, you know.

It's ironic that the person who is having a harder time moving on from a videogame ending is telling me to "deal with it."

Grow up.

And what exactly you are doing here, on videogame company's site?
Those hypocrites are funny

I don't know what you're getting at.

I came here to discuss Bioware games, more specifically the ME series. That and to find true love.

[Maxster_]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

narayani d.d wrote...

Whatever the happy ending, fans are not made​​, the canon will be canon. And it's better to let the bitter reality than sugary-sweet dream.

Sure, ME universe is canonically utterly destroyed.
Canon is agreement between fans and authors. And if authors decide to completely ignore their own lore and setting - then fans will declare that non-canon.
Deal with it

I serisously don't like your attitude.  Fans aren't a singular unit. They have different opinions.

Mega I agree with you, but i kinda agree with him as well. This sort've thing has happened before. Highlander 2 and Dragonball GT are a couple examples i can think off the top of my head.

I don't think it's particularly fair or accurate to compare the ME3 endings to DBGT.

DBGT had a lot of objective flaws that even people who liked it couldn't ignore. On the other hand, what people consider to be the ideal ME3 ending is mostly subjective. It's not fair to say people who like the endings only like it because they have lower standards. That's such an elitest attitude. At the same people who say "oh you just didn't understand the endings because it's too deep for you" also irritate me.

Whether you agree with his sentiment or not, his description of what is "canon" is actually incorrect.  In fact even Bioware said that there is no real canon ending to ME3. This makes this mod even more appealing.

Well said, although i'm mostly talking about the general idea of fans determining what's canon. I think the magnitude between ME3's ending and DBGT is certaintly a lot different. But imagine for a second that this mod was cleaned up, much better polished and was available for all consoles as dlc. I think there'd be a staggering amount of fans who would consider it to be the canon ending, regardless of Bioware's opinion.

I also think what people consider to be a better ending for ME3 is subjective. However I personally don't think it's subjective to say what we got as an ending was the right move by Bioware. Ok i'll be a bit more fair and say it isn't as subjective. if that makes any lick of sense. I won't ignore the fact that no matter what you do, there will be people who don't like it. However for ME3's ending the amount of hatred/dislike towards it was way too heavy and widespread to shrug off.

I know it's still technically subjective, but....ya know.

And, there are some people like me, who completely written off EAWare. Thus, for us, it is completely irrelevant, what EAWare will do with their setting(with ME4 for example), it will never be considered canon.

[Maxster_]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

narayani d.d wrote...

Whatever the happy ending, fans are not made​​, the canon will be canon. And it's better to let the bitter reality than sugary-sweet dream.

Sure, ME universe is canonically utterly destroyed.
Canon is agreement between fans and authors. And if authors decide to completely ignore their own lore and setting - then fans will declare that non-canon.
Deal with it

I serisously don't like your attitude.  Fans aren't a singular unit. They have different opinions.

Exactly. And that's why there is at least two canons. And anti-enders canons are more valid, because they fit into universe and lore, and not making ME1 and ME2 completely pointless. And EAWare and your are less valid.
Deal with it. Not that your disagreement will ever change anti-enders opinions, you know.

It's ironic that the person who is having a harder time moving on from a videogame ending is telling me to "deal with it."

Grow up.

And what exactly you are doing here, on videogame company's site?
Those hypocrites are funny

I don't know what you're getting at.

I came here to discuss Bioware games, more specifically the ME series. That and to find true love.

And i'm also here to discuss EAWare games, more specifically EAWare's butchering of ME series.
So, I need to grow up, because i didn't liked EAWare crap which is ME3, but you do not need to grow up, because you like ME3.
Riiight