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[Dr_Extrem]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Bierwichtel wrote...

srsparky32 wrote...

SiriusXI wrote...

srsparky32 wrote...

quick question...i have a femshep and i did synthesis ending with the extended cut.. everything was absolutely perfect (edi was happy, joker was with her, krogan were having babies and rebuilding, reapers were helping rebuild, etc..) BUT liara remained sad and alone.. Will this enable my shepard to be with her again physically? like the video with femshep and garrus.


also a suggestion..keep the synthesis ending but make it so that shepard survives that would be the ultimate ending. 

That would make no sense. For synthesis to work, you need the catalyst's explanation why the reapers are his solution and are, actually, misunderstood heros (). Without this (flawed and stupid) explanation, MEHEM using synthesis would make even less sense than the original endings.

i know it makes no sense, but in my eyes its the perfect ending. everybody survives, nobody dies, and my femshep gets reunited with liara. maybe i will just do synthesis ending again and then do the romance scene with liara and call that my own personal ending to the game. 

the reunion does work with every LI as of v0.3...

in MEHEM EDI does survive, as well...

Didn't the clone shut down EDI? Then they rebooted EDI when they took back the Normandy? It seemed like only a small portion of EDI was residing in the sexbot running on battery power (bad pun). So if Shepard had a brain, and I know Mac was having a slow brain day, wouldn't Shepard have used the communicator that was working about 5 minutes earlier to contact the Normandy and tell them to shut down EDI in the other destroy ending anyway? EDI survives. Only the sexbot croaks, and there's more sexbots at Cronos, so no problem there -- the only difference between synthetics and organics is the uploading of software. Organics take a lot longer. I can't believe that wave seeks out anything other than reaper code.

So MEHEM sends the reapers to hell, saves the Geth (if you saved the Geth or made peace -- if not? oh well), and EDI, we come out big goddamned heroes. and I get to see Liara again.

if we take the "edi-reboot" into account, mehem is no longer a pure fanfiction.

it merely becomes a different point of view / visualisation.

[CommanderVyse]

Since there is no canon Shepard, the second I chose between Spacer, Colonist, or Earthborn, Mass Effect became my own personal story. My own "fan fiction". MEHEM is just one more choice, albeit one that Bioware forgot to include.

Modifié par wwinters99, 30 mars 2013 - 09:55 .

[srsparky32]

good point shotgun julia...i'm satisfied with the ending of MEHEM. to mrfob: would it be possible to make shepard and liara (or whomever you romanced) kiss again, or have some dialogue with them saying that they loved eachother one last time? idk if thats possible or?

i like this forum already all the other ones that i frequent just rip on ME3 and bioware :/

Modifié par srsparky32, 31 mars 2013 - 02:54 .

[TheWerdna]

I am sure this has probably been suggested before, but I would love to see the possibility of the mod reflecting the player's EMS. Then again, I imagine this would be a incredibly difficult task, and thus might be outside the scope of the mod... so ya, guess i am more or less wasting time.

[Getorex]

TheWerdna wrote...

I am sure this has probably been suggested before, but I would love to see the possibility of the mod reflecting the player's EMS. Then again, I imagine this would be a incredibly difficult task, and thus might be outside the scope of the mod... so ya, guess i am more or less wasting time.

MrFob can correct me if I'm wrong but I have been understanding that future MEHEM versions will (try to) take into account your EMS.  He has mentioned previously that in a future version you wont like Shepard's fate if you screw up the prep (EMS) before the ending.  Taking account of EMS would make MEHEM THE true ending of ME3 - good score/play gets you the full-on good winning ending while a low EMS might get you the destroy (without Starkid...YEAH!) but with poor outcome for Shepard.  Just as it should be. 

If you don't play diligently and well then you should eat the consequences but if you are diligent and thorough you should be rewarded.  MEHEM thus far is the award for a solid play-through.  Taking account of EMS could allow for eating the consequences.  No need for silly synthesis or control nonsense at all.  TIM wanted to try control but it was a fool's errand so Shepard does what he always intended/wanted: destroy the Reapers.  Full stop.

[cfs3corsair]

TheWerdna wrote...

I am sure this has probably been suggested before, but I would love to see the possibility of the mod reflecting the player's EMS. Then again, I imagine this would be a incredibly difficult task, and thus might be outside the scope of the mod... so ya, guess i am more or less wasting time.

MrFob has hinted that future versions may have different endings depending on EMS... of course I imagine this will be difficult to execute, but MrFob does like this idea so I guess you could say its most certainly on the drawing board

@MrFob
If I remember correctly, the Prothean VI on Thessia does actually say that "each cycle is similar to the previous and the next, certain events repeat themselves. We theorize that there is a greater force working" or something like that.  Now the VI does make it clear that this is only speculation... Doesnt conflict with MEHEM in my opinion, but unfortunately it implies enough to remind us of starbrat. But as I said, the VI says they dont have proof of this. So yeah probably not that big of a deal.

@ Everyone
I have all the ME3 DLC except for leviathan. I know it has been said to be the best ME3 DLC...The reason I didnt get it is because I figured "So we find the creators of the Reapers who look the reapers themselves and are just as scary.:crying:And they really dont respect the other races. <_

Modifié par cfs3corsair, 31 mars 2013 - 04:07 .

[McBlade223]

Getorex wrote...

If you don't play diligently and well then you should eat the consequences but if you are diligent and thorough you should be rewarded.  MEHEM thus far is the award for a solid play-through.  Taking account of EMS could allow for eating the consequences.  No need for silly synthesis or control nonsense at all.  TIM wanted to try control but it was a fool's errand so Shepard does what he always intended/wanted: destroy the Reapers.  Full stop.

Well put, my thoughts exactly. If the player puts the effort in he should be rewarded. Perfect example of that is when ME2 first came out, one of my friends breezed right through it without doing everything, didn't upgrade weapons or his ship, didn't gain the crew's loyalty, lost everybody in the end. (He thought it was funny ) On the other hand, I made sure everything was upgraded and the crew loyal before heading through the relay. Made the right crew choices during the mission (first time through ), destroyed the station, everybody came back alive. My shepard did the impossible, felt like a huge hero.( you guys know the feeling ) MEHEM provides that same reward for me in ME3. To reiterate what cfs3corsair said some pages back, I never would have bought the citadel dlc if this mod didn't exist.

And I know its many pages back but I do remember MrFob saying that having a low EMS in future versions will have consequences. I believe that some of the thoughts/plans were having all synthetics perish along with the reapers and incorporating the refusal ending bit somehow if I remember correctly.

side note: writing this while listening to the citadel dlc music track end of an era is pretty awesome.

[Iakus]

cfs3corsair wrote...


@MrFob
If I remember correctly, the Prothean VI on Thessia does actually say that "each cycle is similar to the previous and the next, certain events repeat themselves. We theorize that there is a greater force working" or something like that.  Now the VI does make it clear that this is only speculation... Doesnt conflict with MEHEM in my opinion, but unfortunately it implies enough to remind us of starbrat. But as I said, the VI says they dont have proof of this. So yeah probably not that big of a deal.

I actually went back and checked what the VI said exactly:

Vendetta Our studies of past ages have led us to believe time is cyclical.  Many patterns repeat.
Shepard:  Like the Reaper attacks
Vendetta: And beyond.  The same peaks of evolution.  The same valleys of dissolution.  The same conflicts are expressed in every cycle, but in a differnt manner.  the repetition is too prevalent to be merely chance.
Liara: We assumed the Reapers were responsible for the pattern.
Vendetta: Perhaps.  Though I believe the Reapers are only servants of the Pattern, not its master
Shepard: So who is the master?
Venetta: Unknown.  Its presence is inferred rather than observed.  The only certainty is its intention

So actually, what it implies seems to go even beyond Starbrat.  That the Reaper cycles are only part of this "greater pattern"  I'd call this sequel-bait and call it a day 

@ Everyone
I have all the ME3 DLC except for leviathan. I know it has been said to be the best ME3 DLC...The reason I didnt get it is because I figured "So we find the creators of the Reapers who look the reapers themselves and are just as scary.:crying:And they really dont respect the other races. <_

I'd say you've pretty much go the Leviathans pegged  What made Leviathan so great was it actually gave your companions a speaking role on its missions.  And a bit more info on the origins of the "intelligence" controlling the Reapers, back when that was relevent :innocent:

[cfs3corsair]

better speaking roles are good, but if I am taking such a risk with the Leviathans... maybe I should just keep them outta my game, unless for some reason I get the idea they wont enslave everyone

[spamtrash]

cfs3corsair wrote...

better speaking roles are good, but if I am taking such a risk with the Leviathans... maybe I should just keep them outta my game, unless for some reason I get the idea they wont enslave everyone

So apparently it's Leviathan week here in the MEHEM community.

I just finished playing the DLC. Really fun. The coversation with Shep and Levi is BA to say the least. Also playing the DLC soldified in my mind that harbringer was the "intelligence" leading the reapers.


Regarding the Leviathans and possible betrayal. 2 ways I look at it:
1. Levi and his gang's spirit of "WE ARE TEH BEST" is an act. Their actions (staying hidden, acting through puppets, being underwater, etc) suggests a Race that is afraid and defeated. They are scared of the Reapers but they want their revenege, which is why they join Shep, cuz Sheps "confident". They seem to respect Shepard and are very eager at the opportunity to get back at the Reapers.

I don't think, once the wars is over they'd start ensalving anyone. Primarily becuase since the Reapers are all gone, the Levi's don't have an army they can control easily. Plus since Shep is the one they killed the Reapers, do you think the Levi's are gonna mess with the Commander and the whole galaxy?

2. Since the Citadle kills all reaper-tech stuff and that the reapers are robotic Levi's, you could beieve that the Levi''s all die in the blast with the Reapers.

[spamtrash]

McBlade223 wrote...

If the player puts the effort in she/he should be rewarded.

Exactly.

[cfs3corsair]

spamtrash wrote...

Regarding the Leviathans and possible betrayal. 2 ways I look at it:
1. Levi and his gang's spirit of "WE ARE TEH BEST" is an act. Their actions (staying hidden, acting through puppets, being underwater, etc) suggests a Race that is afraid and defeated. They are scared of the Reapers but they want their revenege, which is why they join Shep, cuz Sheps "confident". They seem to respect Shepard and are very eager at the opportunity to get back at the Reapers.

I don't think, once the wars is over they'd start ensalving anyone. Primarily becuase since the Reapers are all gone, the Levi's don't have an army they can control easily. Plus since Shep is the one they killed the Reapers, do you think the Levi's are gonna mess with the Commander and the whole galaxy?

2. Since the Citadle kills all reaper-tech stuff and that the reapers are robotic Levi's, you could beieve that the Levi''s all die in the blast with the Reapers.

hmmm you bring up a solid point. But cant the Leviathans just take control of any organic being they wanted? In which case an organic army is small beans? Then again the Reapers defeated them once... perhaps this Levi ability is quite limited

@ MrFob
As for MEHEM... do you know what timeframe you are looking at for v0.4 MrFob? Or that still up in the air? :innocent:

@McBlade223 &  Getorex
Yup I couldnt agree more; if a player puts that much effort into a game, they should be rewarded with a decent ending. Not a pick the flavour ending that tastes so bitter you cant even look at the game again
And yes if it wasnt for MEHEM not only would I have not gotten Citadel; I wouldnt have got any DLC:devil: I remember going to huge lengths in ME2 to make sure all my friends survived...

@ iakus
about your Prothean VI analysis... seems legit

Modifié par cfs3corsair, 31 mars 2013 - 07:15 .

[wright1978]

cfs3corsair wrote...

better speaking roles are good, but if I am taking such a risk with the Leviathans... maybe I should just keep them outta my game, unless for some reason I get the idea they wont enslave everyone

I stop playing leviathan after destroying 2 of the spheres and once i've identified their planet.

[erc1971]

Getorex wrote...

MEHEM w/destroy is the optimal ending. Not synthesis, not control. You eliminate the giant bed bugs that have been wiping away all advanced life for millions of years, you save everyone else, including the Geth and EDI. There's no downside. Destroy/stop the reapers has been Shepard's goal since ME1. To suddenly have a change of heart at the very end and hold hands with them is puke-worthy.

QFT.

ERic

[CommanderVyse]

iakus wrote...

I actually went back and checked what the VI said exactly:

Vendetta Our studies of past ages have led us to believe time is cyclical.  Many patterns repeat.
Shepard:  Like the Reaper attacks
Vendetta: And beyond.  The same peaks of evolution.  The same valleys of dissolution.  The same conflicts are expressed in every cycle, but in a different manner.  the repetition is too prevalent to be merely chance.
Liara: We assumed the Reapers were responsible for the pattern.
Vendetta: Perhaps.  Though I believe the Reapers are only servants of the Pattern, not its master
Shepard: So who is the master?
Vendetta: Unknown.  Its presence is inferred rather than observed.  The only certainty is its intention

So actually, what it implies seems to go even beyond Starbrat.  That the Reaper cycles are only part of this "greater pattern"  I'd call this sequel-bait and call it a day 

Apophenia /æpɵˈfiːniə/ is the experience of seeing meaningful patterns or connections in random or meaningless data

Vendetta is a VI, only able to convey the information programmed in. He most likely was created towards the end of the Protheans' cycle. If Javik is a good example, the Protheans were more than a little arrogant. Would it not make sense that the now desperate, "superior", Protheans would want to attribute their fate not to machines, but a higher intelligence?

I don't want to open a religious debate but think of all the times people now would rather blame God/Poseidon/Cthulhu for natural disasters striking.

And for those worried about the Leviathans post-ending, remember that Vendetta can sense Indoctrination, so some sort of scanning technology must exist. The Leviathans were only able to operate in the shadows, once everyone knows about them, they won't stand a chance. (And seriously, who would ignore Shepard a second time around?)

[Tim Skijwalker]

The MEHEM trailer reached 50 000 Views! 

Thanks to everyone that shared it and took the time to leave a comment/like.

Keep up the great work, really looking forward to future versions of the mod.

(trailer: )

Modifié par timskywalker, 31 mars 2013 - 11:10 .

[Dr_Extrem]

congratulations tim!

[ruggly]

cfs3corsair wrote...



hmmm you bring up a solid point. But cant the Leviathans just take control of any organic being they wanted? In which case an organic army is small beans? Then again the Reapers defeated them once... perhaps this Levi ability is quite limited

The only way that is possible is if they are either in real close proximity to the Leviathans or there is an artifact nearby.  Garneau did end up creating a shield that can actively block the Leviathan's indocrination signal.  So I'd imagine that once the war is over, they either shield these artifacts or destroy them.

[Dr_Extrem]

in our case, it does not even matter .. synthetics cant be controlled by leviathans ... and the geth are alive and most likely our allies.

[MrFob]

Holy crap! I just spent the whole day on the Citadel DLC and it's FANTASTIC!!! Man, this is BW at it's best again. So many great moments, I can't even count them all.
I have to go through the sound files again though, there might be some stuff that can be used in MEHEM.
About the suggestion to have the party after the ending: I am honestly not sure how that could be done. I can certainly try it but it may really be tough to get level to load right. There would also be a lot of lines that would need to be edited and then, there is the general issue of the timing. When would this take place? 5 years after the reapers are defeated perhaps? Hm, I am really not even sure if it's a good idea to do this. Anyway,  I'll get back to you on that when I gave it a try from the technical side.
Also, I feel really tempted to replace Joker's "Come on girl let's show them what we can do" line in MEHEM with "It's Jokin' time!"
Well, not really, just a little.

Although I gotta say, when does BW finally get a lore master guy for Mass Effect employed? If you listen to Anderson's notepads in the apartment (which are really nice to listen to for the most part), he tells a story how he met a Salarian spectre on the day after he graduated to N7. What the hell? Did no one over there read Revelation? Anderson graduates N7 right BEFORE the first contact war. It's the first chapter of the book. I don't know, maybe I am just a bit crazy here but these things really put me off.

Anyway, about Lev: I agree with the points made here, I don't think the Leviathans are going to be a big danger in the future, especially given that everyone knows about their globes now.

About the Thessia VI: I didn't get that point anyway. Of course there is a pattern to the cycles. I mean they are ... cycles, right? That term in itself already implies a repetition of sorts which are a pattern. That's due to the reapers. How did they hypothesise another layer of intelligence beyond that from that data (if you look at the galaxy map during that scene, it really does look like they are just talking about the cycles).

@sH0tgUn jUliA & Dr_Extrem: The fact that you can shut down EDI wouldn't necessarily save her IMO. If the crucible pulse does something to the quantum blueboxes that are required for AI, it's over. Given that AIs are specifically affected while other tech seems to be able to withstand the blast at least partially and that the quantum bluebox is hardware, unique to AI, that seems the most likely candidate to be targeted by the crucible. It's also the reason why "we can just rebuild EDI and the geth" is not an argument IMO. You can rebuild another AI, yes, you can probably even transfer data (like memories, etc) but you can't rebuild that exact AI, at least that was my understanding of things from the (ME1) codex.

@cfs3corsair: No timeframe yet. Only thing I can say for sure is that it's still going to take a while.

@Tim: Congrats! That trailer earned it!

[ruggly]

Ah man, replace everything said in MEHEM with Joker's story, and replace Cerberus with Reapers. I'd laugh so hard.

[cfs3corsair]

Hmmmm well nobody here appears to think the levs are any cause for concern, and if its true we have tech that could withstand anyway...
guess its time to fork out dough and get more dlc
@ Tim
Hey that was the best trailer ive seen in a while; totally earned it!
@MrFob
Yeah the Citadel DLC did feel really awesome. Especially liked the lines given to the squad. Gameplay was well done, *Spoiler* some nice additional info on Citadel politics, storytelling that reminds me of BW's glory days, and the cool party after... yeah I liked it.
So you are actually gonna look at the technical side of things to see if implementing the party is possible? That would be really cool if you could pull that off imo, though I imagine it would be quite difficult. Best of luck with that!! Though if I could make a small suggestion... I personally think 5 years is a tad long, simply because 1: they are quite motivated to rebuild things quickly, and rebuilding parts of the citadel isnt that hard considering its just standard construction as opposed to building a relay which leads to 2 Given that the ending implies the relays get fixed in about a short time (things like wrex getting home in time to see his infant, samara back on thessia, stuff like that) I would put the estimate at about 1 or 2 years. But thats just my own opinion. Good luck!

[CommanderVyse]

If we look at the slides at the end we can tell the Citadel is missing large pieces. However, the Citadel is also in it's normal folded position, not spread open as when the Crucible fired. If the Citadel was able to be folded back than the damage couldn't have been crippling. We also know, thanks to MEHEM, that people survived (and I don't think Bailey would be the type to hide in a fallout shelter).

Sure, during the Party it looks like the area outside Shepard's apartment is untouched, maybe that area was spared, that doesn't mean everything is back to normal. People still need to drive around and talk to each other in the streets even during a cleanup. People tend to celebrate victory immediately after a war. The Party can be shortly after the majority of the wounded are cared for but before the years long galaxy rebuild.

(Maybe the fates took pity on the poor Sushi Place and spared it from destruction again. After all, Shepard is a hard act to follow when it comes to destroying things)

[N172]

MrFob wrote...

About the suggestion to have the party after the ending: I am honestly not sure how that could be done. I can certainly try it but it may really be tough to get level to load right. There would also be a lot of lines that would need to be edited and then, there is the general issue of the timing. When would this take place? 5 years after the reapers are defeated perhaps? Hm, I am really not even sure if it's a good idea to do this. Anyway,  I'll get back to you on that when I gave it a try from the technical side.

That mod whould have to be limited to players who bought citadel, at least if you put the actual party in it and not just a few parts, because the party is not part of the vanilla game.

Someone had the idea to use the Shepard+Ashley/Kaidan-Hospital scene to create a LI+Shepard-Hospital scene (and also contacted you as far as i know), maybe you should try something like that first.

[McBlade223]

@Tim: Congrats! It is well deserved, that trailer is amazing. I still watch it now and again, the music is perfect.

@MrFob: Yea, the citadel dlc is great to playthrough. A lot of unforgettable moments (Joker's heroic story and the cereberus officer firing one bullet at the atlas always come to mind ). Curious question, which party did go with? The quiet one or the all out one?

@cfs3corsair:
The Leviathan DLC is actually fun to play through. As people said your squadmates get more lines (only reason I haven't gotten Omega, can't take squad with me), and the overall story is actually good. Detective work in the doctor's office, the weird enviorment on the asteroid base (pretty cool by the way), and going underwater was pretty neat. I think you would enjoy it. And you find out that we do have tech against them and those little spheres that are throughout the story.