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[Mr.House]

creapsmantic wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Exeider wrote...

I would take the M-98 Widow, but it has to be the Mass Effect 2!!!!! M-98 Widow. Ker-blam!!!

I loved that gun, it felt like you were firing a freight train full of hurt, pain, and agony. I love it, it loved me, it was an awesome gun, I wanted it to have my children....

WHY!!!! BIOWARE WHY!!!!! WHY DID YOU MESS UP MY FAVORITE SERIES!!!!!!!

BWaaaaahhhhhhhh!!!!! *sobs*

-AE

What the?

he wants  the   sound   froom  the Anti Tank sniper rifle   A.K.A   M-98 Widows  from  mass effect 2  in  3   the sound  were better  in  mass effect 2 as well

Disagree.

[cfs3corsair]

Doing a liara canon trilogy playthrough... why didnt they retain some of the awesomeness of ME1???
So regarding slides... whats the general consensus regarding relay vs memorial out of curiosity? Or both? or none?

Modifié par cfs3corsair, 05 avril 2013 - 07:03 .

[ElectronicPostingInterface]

cfs3corsair wrote...

Doing a liara canon trilogy playthrough... why didnt they retain some of the awesomeness of ME1???
So regarding slides... whats the general consensus regarding relay vs memorial out of curiosity? Or both? or none?

Eh? I haven't been following this thread for awhile.

What's the latest creative controversies?

[Iakus]

PKchu wrote...

cfs3corsair wrote...

Doing a liara canon trilogy playthrough... why didnt they retain some of the awesomeness of ME1???
So regarding slides... whats the general consensus regarding relay vs memorial out of curiosity? Or both? or none?

Eh? I haven't been following this thread for awhile.

What's the latest creative controversies?

Not so much a contraversy as an idea being tossed around.

Namely, putting in a general "victory for the galaxy" slide showing numerous races cooperating either repairing the relays or holding some kind of memorial/ceremony.

[cfs3corsair]

iakus wrote...

PKchu wrote...

cfs3corsair wrote...

Doing a liara canon trilogy playthrough... why didnt they retain some of the awesomeness of ME1???
So regarding slides... whats the general consensus regarding relay vs memorial out of curiosity? Or both? or none?

Eh? I haven't been following this thread for awhile.

What's the latest creative controversies?

Not so much a contraversy as an idea being tossed around.

Namely, putting in a general "victory for the galaxy" slide showing numerous races cooperating either repairing the relays or holding some kind of memorial/ceremony.

Just adding to what iakus wrote, there is the idea of replacing the Kasumi slide with something more appropriate since her greybox probably wouldnt be affected anyway

[wright1978]

iakus wrote...

I was thinking somthing along the lines of a speech being made, with lots of different aliens in the audience.  Maybe Hackett is giving the speech?  Or the Council?

The unveiling of a monument or memorial to a large crowd of humans and aliens.

An award ceremony with human, turian, and asari soldiers receiving medals (I think those are the only races guaranteed to participate in taking back Earth in all playthroughs

Or yeah, a bunch of scientists of various species examing a piece of tech, with a busted relay in the background.  maybe with Brynn among them and Jacob in the background?

Just a few ideas to toss out.

Personally i'd like Miranda's involved in any slide showing the relays being studied, a bit like her 'EC control' slide shows the reapers being studied.

[Iakus]

wright1978 wrote...

iakus wrote...

I was thinking somthing along the lines of a speech being made, with lots of different aliens in the audience.  Maybe Hackett is giving the speech?  Or the Council?

The unveiling of a monument or memorial to a large crowd of humans and aliens.

An award ceremony with human, turian, and asari soldiers receiving medals (I think those are the only races guaranteed to participate in taking back Earth in all playthroughs

Or yeah, a bunch of scientists of various species examing a piece of tech, with a busted relay in the background.  maybe with Brynn among them and Jacob in the background?

Just a few ideas to toss out.

Personally i'd like Miranda's involved in any slide showing the relays being studied, a bit like her 'EC control' slide shows the reapers being studied.

I believe the idea being tossed around was to replace Jacob's slide witht he "galactic victory" one.  Which is understandable given the raw deal his character got in ME3.

But such a slide doesn't necessarilly have to involve the relays.  It was just one possible way to go. 

Edit:  Or heck, have a picture with both Miranda and Jacob with the Cerberus scientists (If both are alive).  Getting the team back together!

Modifié par iakus, 05 avril 2013 - 07:39 .

[cfs3corsair]

I for one dont believe that jacob should totally be omitted; even though he got a lousy role in 3 he had a major one in 2 and I think a lot of players would like to see him in the epilogue. That being said, nobody ever said that the current jacob slide has to be used. As iakus said, he could be put into a different more meaningful slide...?

[Alienmorph]

I think we could leave the "this victory belongs to each of us" first slide, since it shows London being rebuilt after the war. Then we replace Jacob doing whathever he's doing with a generic "everyone's working together to rebuil". And there yes, I'd toss in some multi-species group studying the relays or so, in order to reopen the pathway throught the galaxy.

[wright1978]

iakus wrote...

I believe the idea being tossed around was to replace Jacob's slide witht he "galactic victory" one.  Which is understandable given the raw deal his character got in ME3.

But such a slide doesn't necessarilly have to involve the relays.  It was just one possible way to go. 

Edit:  Or heck, have a picture with both Miranda and Jacob with the Cerberus scientists (If both are alive).  Getting the team back together!

No probs, wouldn't have any issue with a galactic victory one.

The bolded would definitely fit my head canon very well though.

[mtmercydave09]

N172 wrote...

The goodbye scene in London felt like this for me:
"Either one of us could have died on any on the previous missions, but OMG now we actually have a chance to win against the reapers.
I have to say goodbye now, i know we could have been killed on any previous misson, but the council might not allow the hero of the universe to meet his friends afterwards and anyone might still get killed.
<whispering> Honestly, it is because MEs team wanted to add an awesome afterwards-scene like in DA:O, but some people might not see it because of their choices, so we have to do this now."

Agreed that's how it felt for me too.  They definitely could have lengthened the high ems destroy ending where Shepard lives to include the crew going to pick up Shepard, and him coming back to Earth to meet all his friends, kissing his LI, and being crowned the hero of the galaxy.  Maybe having a little area with a bar, go dancing with the LI, etc, to meet everyone, since Garrus & Jacob wanted to have a drink with Shep after it was all over.

Then having him and his LI riding off into the sunset.

That would have been perfect, and the other 3 endings could have been left untouched.

Modifié par mtmercydave09, 05 avril 2013 - 08:24 .

[MrFob]

Well, here is an idea:
I want to try and bring Miranda's missing slide back anyway so if that works, we could do the following:
Jacob's slide gets replaced with something showing more different species (unveiling a monument, them all standing in London or whatever). Jacob would still be visible in this slide.
Miri (who usually should have this slide) can get one where she and other (multi species) scientists work on the relay issue.

The advantage of this would be that the characters still only show up if they are alive. The slides are still responding to Jacob/Miri death flags.
The disadvantage is that you only get to see the new slides if Jacob or Miri live in your playthrough but given that they are not essential and that most people probably have them alive anyway, I think it'll still work fine that way.
Of course, that all depends on someone with the skill, time and willingness to make these new slides.

Modifié par MrFob, 06 avril 2013 - 01:11 .

[cfs3corsair]

@MrFob
Hey thats cool; adds more depth to the ending while still retaining both characters. Also its simply swapping slides; you dont have to really change any flags or variables. Yeah unfortunately they would rely on the life/death flags, but frankly if people didnt go to the effort to keep both alive (which is really easy if you put any effort into this series) I doubt those particular people would care much about the slides anyway. Guess the only problem is finding an artist. If I come across anyone I will let you know
Is the Kasumi idea still on the table?

Modifié par cfs3corsair, 06 avril 2013 - 01:36 .

[Getorex]

cfs3corsair wrote...

@MrFob
Hey thats cool; adds more depth to the ending while still retaining both characters. Also its simply swapping slides; you dont have to really change any flags or variables. Yeah unfortunately they would rely on the life/death flags, but frankly if people didnt go to the effort to keep both alive (which is really easy if you put any effort into this series) I doubt those particular people would care much about the slides anyway. Guess the only problem is finding an artist. If I come across anyone I will let you know
Is the Kasumi idea still on the table?

I've generally "saved" Miranda by default/accident.  I simply visit the Spectre office regularly and at some point, there she is.  Talk to her and she's saved.  Simple.  As for Jacob...you can get him killed?  How?  By skipping the scientist rescue mission entirely?  WHO WOULD DO THAT?  WHY?  Just because you want to throw away gameplay time, experience point accrual, credit earning?  WTF?  Or is there some other way to get Jacob killed?  He's always alive in my playthroughs...again, by default and without planning on it.

[MrFob]

Hm, it would work well for Jacob. You gotta try really hard to get him killed (basically you have to care enough about him to actually use him for something in the ME2 suicide mission but be dumb enough to use him for something where he doesn't fit the criteria - which is everything ).
Miranda is actually a bit easier as long as you have a Shepard who doesn't trust her (and thus doesn't give her access to the alliance data).
Doesn't Oriana survive Sanctuary no matter what? She is Miri's genetic twin right? So we could just dress ""Miranda" in something other than the white catsuit in that slide and remove the death flag. If Miri lives, no problem. If she dies, we can still show the slide and say it's Oriana in that case.

The other point to this is: If Jacob is dead, you'll miss out on that new slide. I think that would be fair enough because in that case, you just didn't care a lot anyway.
However, if the Miri slide contains something about the relays, that is actually interesting (also for those you might have gotten her killed). So I'd like to show something like that no matter if she is dead or alive.

And yea, as I said, I am up for changing Kasumi if we get a good slide for her.

Modifié par MrFob, 06 avril 2013 - 01:59 .

[Getorex]

MrFob wrote...

Hm, it would work well for Jacob. You gotta try really hard to get him killed (basically you have to care enough about him to actually use him for something in the ME2 suicide mission but be dumb enough to use him for something where he doesn't fit the criteria - which is everything ).
Miranda is actually a bit easier as long as you have a Shepard who doesn't trust her (and thus doesn't give her access to the alliance data).
Doesn't Oriana survive Sanctuary no matter what? She is Miri's genetic twin right? So we could just dress ""Miranda" in something other than the white catsuit in that slide and remove the death flag. If Miri lives, no problem. If she dies, we can still show the slide and say it's Oriana in that case.

The other point to this is: If Jacob is dead, you'll miss out on that new slide. I think that would be fair enough because in that case, you just didn't care a lot anyway.
However, if the Miri slide contains something about the relays, that is actually interesting (also for those you might have gotten her killed). So I'd like to show something like that no matter if she is dead or alive.

And yea, as I said, I am up for changing Kasumi if we get a good slide for her.

I think I misunderstood.  I thought you were talking about getting Jacob killed in ME3.  I know not talking to Miranda in the Spectre office is enough to get her killed in ME3 (that idiotard character Leng) but had no idea about if you could get Jacob killed in ME3. 

I know how to get people killed off in ME2, that's easy - just don't do their loyalty mission or (for most of them) send them down the hot tube in the Collector base.  MOST people who get that mission get shot dead...except Kasumi and Legion for sure.  I also discovered that you do NOT put Zaeed in charge of the other squad.  He will get killed (my current ME3 import).  Jacob or Garrus are solid safe bets for leading the other squad in ME2.  I'm not sure I'll try anyone else in that role to see who dies...

[CommanderVyse]

MrFob wrote...

Miri (who usually should have this slide) can get one where she and other (multi species) scientists work on the relay issue.

Add a broken relay to the hologram table and change the humans to other species, you can practically use the same slide.

Yeah, about Jacob. As long as you finish all the side quests, the only way to have him die is to think during the suicide mission, "This looks like a job for Jacob!"

Highly unlikely that ever happened.

[MrFob]

@Getorex: Well for the slides, it doesn't really matter where you get them killed throughout the trilogy.

Modifié par MrFob, 06 avril 2013 - 02:20 .

[Iakus]

 For Jacob, pretty much the only way to get him killed in ME3 is either not do his mission (presumably) or get a low EMS ending and let him fry with the rest of Earth.

For Miranda, she can die if:

You didn't do her loyalty mission in ME2
You romanced her in ME2 and broke up with her in ME3
You don't warn her about Kai Leng when you talk to her in the Spectre office
You deny her Alliance resources when she asks for help.
Low EMS ending and she fries with the rest of Earth 

This is assuming you don't kill them off in ME2 as well.

While there's a lot more conditions for keeping Miranda alive in ME3, they're pretty easy to meet.  I can see someone getting one or the other killed in ME2 or ME3.  But bothe?  I would suspect deliberate sabotage, in which case they don't deserve to see new ending slides 

[MrFob]

I got some news for console players.
Looks like Exeider could use help with testing so please spread the word and head over to the ME3Explorer forums. Hopefully we can get this going.

[Iakus]

Interesting. Dunno what al that means, but I guess there's still hope for console users to experience MEHEM after all...

[aeryn333]

What about Jack and her students in there somewhere..
I rather see her and Miri, then Jacob..

[Iakus]

aeryn333 wrote...

What about Jack and her students in there somewhere..
I rather see her and Miri, then Jacob..

There are actually slides of Jack in  the EC.  Jack with students if you put them in support and Jack in front of a group of graves if you put them on the front lines.  They just don't appear due to a bug

[Saerwen]

at first almost cried, cause the manual install instructions are so long... the installer wasn't working until I pointed it directly at Mass Effect 3 folder. Now is installed just fine. Thank you so much for making this, as well as making it easier for us to install!

[Mr.House]

iakus wrote...

aeryn333 wrote...

What about Jack and her students in there somewhere..
I rather see her and Miri, then Jacob..

There are actually slides of Jack in  the EC.  Jack with students if you put them in support and Jack in front of a group of graves if you put them on the front lines.  They just don't appear due to a bug

They do appear, only if you pick control or merge, same with Miranda's lsides. She also has slides that are also not present in destroy.

I like the idea for the slides though Fob, would it be possible for one with Jack though for us that have her alive and did not romance her?

Modifié par Mr.House, 06 avril 2013 - 07:29 .