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bad move .. if mrfob would get only one cent, bioware and ea would shut this mod down without a second thought.


the voice actors might help out for free - but only, if they are allowed to do so. they have contracts with bioware.


Yeah, no talking about money guys.   Don't give em reason to release the hounds.

Should probably not even bring the VAs into this.  Though maybe if some fans that can sound like the characters can be brought on board, that would be both easier and less sticky legally.

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iakus wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

bad move .. if mrfob would get only one cent, bioware and ea would shut this mod down without a second thought.


the voice actors might help out for free - but only, if they are allowed to do so. they have contracts with bioware.


Yeah, no talking about money guys.   Don't give em reason to release the hounds.

Should probably not even bring the VAs into this.  Though maybe if some fans that can sound like the characters can be brought on board, that would be both easier and less sticky legally.


Exactly this. Once money is involved, it leaves this project vulnerable to legal repercussions, meaning this thread could be shut down. Anything done here must be done for free, and fan sound-a-likes are the best bet since the actual VAs may be tied by red tape, assuming they want to get involved in the first place.

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So, should we hold tryouts for sound-alikes?

Vote for your favorite on "Mass Effect Idol" coming soon to a forum near you.

(In all seriousness, I like the idea, but the sound-alikes need to be near perfect matches, else wise we enter a Uncanny Valley for the ears)

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we can cover it up with some radio static and editing ..

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wwinters99 wrote...

So, should we hold tryouts for sound-alikes?

Vote for your favorite on "Mass Effect Idol" coming soon to a forum near you.

(In all seriousness, I like the idea, but the sound-alikes need to be near perfect matches, else wise we enter a Uncanny Valley for the ears)


well we'd only be talking about a few lines.  MEHEM isn't exactly dialogue intensive apart from hackett's speech :D

As far as ME characters goes, it would just need:

MaleShep (for the message to Joker)
FemShep (ditto)
Joker (probably the biggest role)
Maybe Traynor for the "We've got Shepard" line?

Otherwise it's just a couple of voices for original characters, especially if the rescue on the Citadel gets integrated into the mod

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Dr_Extrem wrote...

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It's the best if you can ask those voice actors to help you with this.
No offense, but piecing audio speeches together just wouldn't have the same kick.


that would be great.

but the voice actors are busy making money and i am not sure, if they are alowed to join this kind of project. i would really like to hear mark meer and jennifer hale, to give us an evacuation request wih their beaten and weak voice - i think, everybody would like this.


What about let's start a fund raiser.
Ask all fans who want a happy ending to donate for the mod. We can show Bioware how much money towards sale are they missing out by denying us a happy end  ;)


bad move .. if mrfob would get only one cent, bioware and ea would shut this mod down without a second thought.


the voice actors might help out for free - but only, if they are allowed to do so. they have contracts with bioware.


Hold on, are you sure that will not be legal?? Because you are not saling anything. We give you money out of our own free will to ask you to build a mod. For example, let's say I am selling my house (just a example lol, I am not doing it) and give you all the money. Those money are not earned by sale, but my gift to you. Would that be illegal?

bioware made some bad choices and rush the ME3 prematurely, that doesn't mean we have to be happy about it. And now they try to save their face by not admit their decision was a bad one, and refuse to do anything about it. and whoever trying to point thing out the facts, they will not acknowledge it just to save their face. "No, our decision was the right one!"   ----------- this behaviour is so immature and irresponsible.

If they do want to shut down it, that only shows how much they affaird of the truth, refuse to acknowledge that their bad decision has cost them. They are better off by providing a good ending. The fund raiser will show the customers' willness to pay for the better ending and their lost by denying us 1.

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It sucks that people have to get upset over there being an optional mod that replaces the endings. This is my cannon, and if that means I'm not "artsy" or "deep" then so be it. Considering how many people are upset at this mod I'm amazed people didn't get mad with Shepard surviving the first two games. Mass Effect had Hollywood style action to begin with, why is it all of the sudden bad now? Because Bioware said their ending was "artsy"? Well any way don't mean to rant, I love this mod. I just want the sad ending lovers and the happy ending lovers to co-exist peacefully.

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Michael_M88 wrote...

It sucks that people have to get upset over there being an optional mod that replaces the endings. This is my cannon, and if that means I'm not "artsy" or "deep" then so be it. Considering how many people are upset at this mod I'm amazed people didn't get mad with Shepard surviving the first two games. Mass Effect had Hollywood style action to begin with, why is it all of the sudden bad now? Because Bioware said their ending was "artsy"? Well any way don't mean to rant, I love this mod. I just want the sad ending lovers and the happy ending lovers to co-exist peacefully.


Bolded part!

And good to see this project updated. I'm still more in favor of the EC endings but more options are always neat.

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Zhen-Lin wrote...

Hold on, are you sure that will not be legal?? Because you are not saling anything. We give you money out of our own free will to ask you to build a mod. For example, let's say I am selling my house (just a example lol, I am not doing it) and give you all the money. Those money are not earned by sale, but my gift to you. Would that be illegal?

bioware made some bad choices and rush the ME3 prematurely, that doesn't mean we have to be happy about it. And now they try to save their face by not admit their decision was a bad one, and refuse to do anything about it. and whoever trying to point thing out the facts, they will not acknowledge it just to save their face. "No, our decision was the right one!"   ----------- this behaviour is so immature and irresponsible.

If they do want to shut down it, that only shows how much they affaird of the truth, refuse to acknowledge that their bad decision has cost them. They are better off by providing a good ending. The fund raiser will show the customers' willness to pay for the better ending and their lost by denying us 1.


It does not matter. MrFob has previously declined any gifts offered and has politely requested that we don't talk about it.

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iakus wrote...

wwinters99 wrote...

So, should we hold tryouts for sound-alikes?

Vote for your favorite on "Mass Effect Idol" coming soon to a forum near you.

(In all seriousness, I like the idea, but the sound-alikes need to be near perfect matches, else wise we enter a Uncanny Valley for the ears)


well we'd only be talking about a few lines.  MEHEM isn't exactly dialogue intensive apart from hackett's speech :D

As far as ME characters goes, it would just need:

MaleShep (for the message to Joker)
FemShep (ditto)
Joker (probably the biggest role)
Maybe Traynor for the "We've got Shepard" line?

Otherwise it's just a couple of voices for original characters, especially if the rescue on the Citadel gets integrated into the mod


Can we still hold tryouts? I kind of like that idea now. ^_^

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Hey guys,
Sorry for my absence. I finally got some time to post again.
I am especially sorry about not responding to Ironfistjustice and his video edit here:
Damn fine work. Pretty impressive what can be done with video editing, to put a rescue scene together. I'd be happy to make a version for you with this video, once it is refined.
I have to admit though, for the general MEHEM as such, I think it's a bit of an overkill. The main problem IMO is the following. We already have about 20 minutes of video at this point. This would add another 3 or so. However, while the fighting and everything is pretty cool, we now would also tell the story of this storm team that rescues Shep (obviously without ever seeing Shep because it's all static). The thing is that here we'd suddenly focus on a different group of characters no one has ever seen before or even knows about. The fighting is cool but I think it cannot stand without the context of known characters (like Joker in the Normandy scene and this could already be considered too much). If we could use the squad mates for this, it would be great, then we'd have this connection. Unfortunately, since we don't know who is still alive at the time, we can't do that either.
Therefore, I think the solution is very simple: "Less is more" in this regard. E.g. I really like the little shot you pulled from the ow EMS epilogue where we see the soldier remove some rubble (with the implication that Shepard is lying underneath). I think this in combination with a very short custom shuttle scene would be enough already. The main goal here is to get the point across, not to tell another story. As I said, that's just my opinion and I am happy to help out with another version where the extraction is fleshed out more.
In any case, I can't do much until February anyway, so let's iron out a concept in the meantime.

Oh btw: You may not have noticed but one of the onlibne hosters has been locked because of a copy rights complaint. I am looking into it and I hope it's just a misunderstanding but I haven't gotten any responses (from BW or otherwise), probably because of all the christmas/new year hollydays. I'll update this thread as soon as I know more.

Otherwise, work on v 0.3 was paused since I am nowhere near my stuff. I am trying to do something in the next 2 days or so but after that I'll only have a mac book until February so it'll probably have to wait until then. Sorry.

Just read the VO discussion as well. I'd love nothing more than getting some sound-alikes to voice something. For MEEM, we got pretty close to FemShep, thanks to FC_Paragoin, who did some really good VO there). Back in the day, I even opened a thread in these forums to ask for people (see here. I never got any replies so I am not sure how many are truly out there. For MEHEM, I think it's not that important anyway, for MEEM on the other hand, it would be really really cool :). I also tried some stuff with voice editing but didn't really get far. shOtgUn JULIA tells me that there are incredible programs out there for this sort of thing but they are a bit out of the price range I am willing to invest into this (although it is tempting). Also, I am not sure what the legal situation would be if we were to reproduce the voice of a living person (seriously, no idea).

As for the whole money issue, I don't want any, I said it before and I'll say it again. A fund raiser and "public unrest" and all this didn't work when the ending outrage was at it's peak and I doubt it would work now. Also, It's not really something I want to do. The whole "create a fuss and hope to be noticed" phase of the controversy is long gone. I just want to continue this project for the fun of it. If anyone wants to try something like this once again, by all means, go ahead but it might be the easiest and clearest to do so in a separate thread in order to keep things organized and bring attention to the real issue at hand for both topics.

Well, I tried to keep up as best I could with the thread but I am sure I forgot/overlooked some stuff, I hope I get more chances to post after new year. Thanks for keeping this thread lively and productive. Alsways makes my day to read this even if I can't reply.Cheers!

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happy you are still alive .. how was your x-mas? eating til you explode i guess.

i would like to look over the current video footage and try to find a possibility to hint the rescue scene with slide-like flashes. (just like the flashbacks on alchera). or maybe we could reuse the breahte scene and overlay it with a catchy "we have found commander" or "the commander is here" .. imo, we should keep it simple and flesh it out - soften up the edges.

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MrFob wrote...

Hey guys,
Sorry for my absence. I finally got some time to post again.
I am especially sorry about not responding to Ironfistjustice and his video edit here:
Damn fine work. Pretty impressive what can be done with video editing, to put a rescue scene together. I'd be happy to make a version for you with this video, once it is refined.
I have to admit though, for the general MEHEM as such, I think it's a bit of an overkill. The main problem IMO is the following. We already have about 20 minutes of video at this point. This would add another 3 or so. However, while the fighting and everything is pretty cool, we now would also tell the story of this storm team that rescues Shep (obviously without ever seeing Shep because it's all static). The thing is that here we'd suddenly focus on a different group of characters no one has ever seen before or even knows about. The fighting is cool but I think it cannot stand without the context of known characters (like Joker in the Normandy scene and this could already be considered too much). If we could use the squad mates for this, it would be great, then we'd have this connection. Unfortunately, since we don't know who is still alive at the time, we can't do that either.
Therefore, I think the solution is very simple: "Less is more" in this regard. E.g. I really like the little shot you pulled from the ow EMS epilogue where we see the soldier remove some rubble (with the implication that Shepard is lying underneath). I think this in combination with a very short custom shuttle scene would be enough already. The main goal here is to get the point across, not to tell another story. As I said, that's just my opinion and I am happy to help out with another version where the extraction is fleshed out more.
In any case, I can't do much until February anyway, so let's iron out a concept in the meantime.

Oh btw: You may not have noticed but one of the onlibne hosters has been locked because of a copy rights complaint. I am looking into it and I hope it's just a misunderstanding but I haven't gotten any responses (from BW or otherwise), probably because of all the christmas/new year hollydays. I'll update this thread as soon as I know more.

Otherwise, work on v 0.3 was paused since I am nowhere near my stuff. I am trying to do something in the next 2 days or so but after that I'll only have a mac book until February so it'll probably have to wait until then. Sorry.

Just read the VO discussion as well. I'd love nothing more than getting some sound-alikes to voice something. For MEEM, we got pretty close to FemShep, thanks to FC_Paragoin, who did some really good VO there). Back in the day, I even opened a thread in these forums to ask for people (see here. I never got any replies so I am not sure how many are truly out there. For MEHEM, I think it's not that important anyway, for MEEM on the other hand, it would be really really cool :). I also tried some stuff with voice editing but didn't really get far. shOtgUn JULIA tells me that there are incredible programs out there for this sort of thing but they are a bit out of the price range I am willing to invest into this (although it is tempting). Also, I am not sure what the legal situation would be if we were to reproduce the voice of a living person (seriously, no idea).

As for the whole money issue, I don't want any, I said it before and I'll say it again. A fund raiser and "public unrest" and all this didn't work when the ending outrage was at it's peak and I doubt it would work now. Also, It's not really something I want to do. The whole "create a fuss and hope to be noticed" phase of the controversy is long gone. I just want to continue this project for the fun of it. If anyone wants to try something like this once again, by all means, go ahead but it might be the easiest and clearest to do so in a separate thread in order to keep things organized and bring attention to the real issue at hand for both topics.

Well, I tried to keep up as best I could with the thread but I am sure I forgot/overlooked some stuff, I hope I get more chances to post after new year. Thanks for keeping this thread lively and productive. Alsways makes my day to read this even if I can't reply.Cheers!


Good to read you!

It was a concept only. Don't worry about the lenght, if you prefer only to take some scenes from it, i can easily send them to you. Will writte a PM with the list, so you can take the ones you like.

The version 4 adds only a minute of video, so is not too long. Still, if you like some scenes, just make the shuttle insertion, disembarking, founding, leaving. It will add only about 20 or 25 seconds.

By the way, I'll give you my email in order to coordinate ;)

Regards!

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Michael_M88 wrote...

It sucks that people have to get upset over there being an optional mod that replaces the endings. This is my cannon, and if that means I'm not "artsy" or "deep" then so be it. Considering how many people are upset at this mod I'm amazed people didn't get mad with Shepard surviving the first two games. Mass Effect had Hollywood style action to begin with, why is it all of the sudden bad now? Because Bioware said their ending was "artsy"? Well any way don't mean to rant, I love this mod. I just want the sad ending lovers and the happy ending lovers to co-exist peacefully.


I've been gone a long time from this section of BSN. Are people really upset because there's an ending mod?That makes no sense to me, why should it matter to others what we want to see as an ending. Nobody is changing their endings. 

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Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

Michael_M88 wrote...

It sucks that people have to get upset over there being an optional mod that replaces the endings. This is my cannon, and if that means I'm not "artsy" or "deep" then so be it. Considering how many people are upset at this mod I'm amazed people didn't get mad with Shepard surviving the first two games. Mass Effect had Hollywood style action to begin with, why is it all of the sudden bad now? Because Bioware said their ending was "artsy"? Well any way don't mean to rant, I love this mod. I just want the sad ending lovers and the happy ending lovers to co-exist peacefully.


I've been gone a long time from this section of BSN. Are people really upset because there's an ending mod?That makes no sense to me, why should it matter to others what we want to see as an ending. Nobody is changing their endings. 


yes .. they are upset .. to an extent, that they visit this forum just to bash the work. i dont know why.

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Michael_M88 wrote...

It sucks that people have to get upset over there being an optional mod that replaces the endings. This is my cannon, and if that means I'm not "artsy" or "deep" then so be it. Considering how many people are upset at this mod I'm amazed people didn't get mad with Shepard surviving the first two games. Mass Effect had Hollywood style action to begin with, why is it all of the sudden bad now? Because Bioware said their ending was "artsy"? Well any way don't mean to rant, I love this mod. I just want the sad ending lovers and the happy ending lovers to co-exist peacefully.

Some of the same people who "loved the original ending" are the same ones defending the lore errors in the Paragon Lost movie. They don't so much loved the ending as they love Bioware. If BW made poop on a stick, they would have loved it.

Modifié par Pick a color, 29 décembre 2012 - 05:26 .


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Dr_Extrem wrote...

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

Michael_M88 wrote...

It sucks that people have to get upset over there being an optional mod that replaces the endings. This is my cannon, and if that means I'm not "artsy" or "deep" then so be it. Considering how many people are upset at this mod I'm amazed people didn't get mad with Shepard surviving the first two games. Mass Effect had Hollywood style action to begin with, why is it all of the sudden bad now? Because Bioware said their ending was "artsy"? Well any way don't mean to rant, I love this mod. I just want the sad ending lovers and the happy ending lovers to co-exist peacefully.


I've been gone a long time from this section of BSN. Are people really upset because there's an ending mod?That makes no sense to me, why should it matter to others what we want to see as an ending. Nobody is changing their endings. 


yes .. they are upset .. to an extent, that they visit this forum just to bash the work. i dont know why.


Any reason as to why they do this? What exactly do they hope to accomplish?

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Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

Michael_M88 wrote...

It sucks that people have to get upset over there being an optional mod that replaces the endings. This is my cannon, and if that means I'm not "artsy" or "deep" then so be it. Considering how many people are upset at this mod I'm amazed people didn't get mad with Shepard surviving the first two games. Mass Effect had Hollywood style action to begin with, why is it all of the sudden bad now? Because Bioware said their ending was "artsy"? Well any way don't mean to rant, I love this mod. I just want the sad ending lovers and the happy ending lovers to co-exist peacefully.


I've been gone a long time from this section of BSN. Are people really upset because there's an ending mod?That makes no sense to me, why should it matter to others what we want to see as an ending. Nobody is changing their endings. 


yes .. they are upset .. to an extent, that they visit this forum just to bash the work. i dont know why.


Any reason as to why they do this? What exactly do they hope to accomplish?


i dont have the faintest idea. i mean .. this mod offered people revelation - it made them happy and they replay the game. this is something good.

Modifié par Dr_Extrem, 29 décembre 2012 - 05:56 .


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Insecurity would be my guess. Us enjoying something else other than what they did somehow makes their decision invalid. It's the same reason we still have threads about which ending is better.

Either that or they see us as some sort of kabal determined to take away and replace their options with our preferences. Which is ridiculus since we want the opposite.

Modifié par Greylycantrope, 29 décembre 2012 - 06:58 .


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Dr_Extrem wrote...

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

Michael_M88 wrote...

It sucks that people have to get upset over there being an optional mod that replaces the endings. This is my cannon, and if that means I'm not "artsy" or "deep" then so be it. Considering how many people are upset at this mod I'm amazed people didn't get mad with Shepard surviving the first two games. Mass Effect had Hollywood style action to begin with, why is it all of the sudden bad now? Because Bioware said their ending was "artsy"? Well any way don't mean to rant, I love this mod. I just want the sad ending lovers and the happy ending lovers to co-exist peacefully.


I've been gone a long time from this section of BSN. Are people really upset because there's an ending mod?That makes no sense to me, why should it matter to others what we want to see as an ending. Nobody is changing their endings. 


yes .. they are upset .. to an extent, that they visit this forum just to bash the work. i dont know why.


Any reason as to why they do this? What exactly do they hope to accomplish?


i dont have the faintest idea. i mean .. this mod offered people revelation - it made them happy and they replay the game. this is something good.


I don't pick fights with people but I've seen many other websites uncluding this one where people bash this mod. There are several reasons that they come up with. The most common one I see is that Shepard surviving is for some reason selfish and not heroic. Another is because people felt we are spoiled brats that don't understand sacrifice that Bioware was trying to teach us. There were many but I've seen a couple of forums created on other sites specifically to tell us we're whiners and this mod has no reason to exist (Google MEHEM and look at the articles about it on other sites, there are some there). In the end, it all boils down to "artistic integrety". If people are satisfied with the EC, then that's cool, no fault there. But some just have to come attack us with the "Artisitic inegrety" crap.

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MrFob, the thread is pretty long so I apologise if this has been brought up but you should tweak Shepard at the end. If he/she has enough time to put on his/her dress blues, he/she would have scrubbed the blood from his/her face. I can buy there still being cuts visible or even bandages/stitches but a bloodied face makes no sense for the final scene.

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Michael_M88 wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

Michael_M88 wrote...

It sucks that people have to get upset over there being an optional mod that replaces the endings. This is my cannon, and if that means I'm not "artsy" or "deep" then so be it. Considering how many people are upset at this mod I'm amazed people didn't get mad with Shepard surviving the first two games. Mass Effect had Hollywood style action to begin with, why is it all of the sudden bad now? Because Bioware said their ending was "artsy"? Well any way don't mean to rant, I love this mod. I just want the sad ending lovers and the happy ending lovers to co-exist peacefully.


I've been gone a long time from this section of BSN. Are people really upset because there's an ending mod?That makes no sense to me, why should it matter to others what we want to see as an ending. Nobody is changing their endings. 


yes .. they are upset .. to an extent, that they visit this forum just to bash the work. i dont know why.


Any reason as to why they do this? What exactly do they hope to accomplish?


i dont have the faintest idea. i mean .. this mod offered people revelation - it made them happy and they replay the game. this is something good.


I don't pick fights with people but I've seen many other websites uncluding this one where people bash this mod. There are several reasons that they come up with. The most common one I see is that Shepard surviving is for some reason selfish and not heroic. Another is because people felt we are spoiled brats that don't understand sacrifice that Bioware was trying to teach us. There were many but I've seen a couple of forums created on other sites specifically to tell us we're whiners and this mod has no reason to exist (Google MEHEM and look at the articles about it on other sites, there are some there). In the end, it all boils down to "artistic integrety". If people are satisfied with the EC, then that's cool, no fault there. But some just have to come attack us with the "Artisitic inegrety" crap.


well if they have enough time to bash this mod, its up to them.

i certainly dont need bioware to know what sacrifice and suffering is. i have my share of scars. who in the world can be this .. i dont find the right word for it. in my experience, people who tell stuff like this, have not seen anything.

i surfed the net to find negative responses on the mod .. i found 2 negative articles - both written by dave walsh. the rest was positive to very positive.
bigger communities like steam and moddb showed a mostly positive view on this mod as well. i visited some german sites as well .. the mehem was seen as a possitive addition by most people. some said, that this one is nod dark enough - but thats ok.

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Michael_M88 wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

Michael_M88 wrote...

It sucks that people have to get upset over there being an optional mod that replaces the endings. This is my cannon, and if that means I'm not "artsy" or "deep" then so be it. Considering how many people are upset at this mod I'm amazed people didn't get mad with Shepard surviving the first two games. Mass Effect had Hollywood style action to begin with, why is it all of the sudden bad now? Because Bioware said their ending was "artsy"? Well any way don't mean to rant, I love this mod. I just want the sad ending lovers and the happy ending lovers to co-exist peacefully.


I've been gone a long time from this section of BSN. Are people really upset because there's an ending mod?That makes no sense to me, why should it matter to others what we want to see as an ending. Nobody is changing their endings. 


yes .. they are upset .. to an extent, that they visit this forum just to bash the work. i dont know why.


Any reason as to why they do this? What exactly do they hope to accomplish?


i dont have the faintest idea. i mean .. this mod offered people revelation - it made them happy and they replay the game. this is something good.


I don't pick fights with people but I've seen many other websites uncluding this one where people bash this mod. There are several reasons that they come up with. The most common one I see is that Shepard surviving is for some reason selfish and not heroic. Another is because people felt we are spoiled brats that don't understand sacrifice that Bioware was trying to teach us. There were many but I've seen a couple of forums created on other sites specifically to tell us we're whiners and this mod has no reason to exist (Google MEHEM and look at the articles about it on other sites, there are some there). In the end, it all boils down to "artistic integrety". If people are satisfied with the EC, then that's cool, no fault there. But some just have to come attack us with the "Artisitic inegrety" crap.


A lot of the bashers don't play the PC version....

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RocShemp wrote...

MrFob, the thread is pretty long so I apologise if this has been brought up but you should tweak Shepard at the end. If he/she has enough time to put on his/her dress blues, he/she would have scrubbed the blood from his/her face. I can buy there still being cuts visible or even bandages/stitches but a bloodied face makes no sense for the final scene.


already done.