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MEHEM - the Mass Effect (3) Happy Ending Mod - No more star kid, no more deaths and a reunion


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Kylenne wrote...

I'm finally getting around to trying this, but I'm having some issues. I used the installer, and everything looked like it was patched correctly. I loaded up my old pre-Cronos Station save and played through to the end but when I got to the Citadel sure enough, the little brat still showed up. :( Does the new ending only kick in with a brand new save? I have all the DLCs installed and I'm running Win 7, if that makes a difference. Any help would be appreciated, I'm not terribly PC savvy and it's super frustrating since I was really looking forward to trying this mod.


As far as I know, it should work on a save that's set before the attack on Cronos station (just like EC).  You should know it's working when Harbringer speaks to you just before the beam run.

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iakus wrote...

wwinters99 wrote...

Speculations are good if you have an emotionally positive starting point (MEHEM ending), your imagination can continue down that positive path.

If your mind starts in a dark place (exploding Relays, crash landing, complete destruction of an allied race) your thoughts tend to spiral deeper into the abyss.


Dang, I'm gonna hafta steal this next time someone says the rubble scene fine for "speculations" :lol:



Feel free to use it. I was pretty deep into the abyss before I found MEHEM.

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@ Dr_Extrem
I have been toying with the "editing the stargazer scene" idea myself. I have been thinking that I could take a custom vid I made with Shep and Liara (since I am a Liara-mancer) and replace the stargazer scene with it instead. Problem is, I gotta make the vid .bik, remove the default VO, etc :P

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cfs3corsair wrote...

@ Dr_Extrem
I have been toying with the "editing the stargazer scene" idea myself. I have been thinking that I could take a custom vid I made with Shep and Liara (since I am a Liara-mancer) and replace the stargazer scene with it instead. Problem is, I gotta make the vid .bik, remove the default VO, etc :P


Just a FYI, you can make Bink Videos (.bik) for free, using the official Rad Tools:
http://www.radgameto...com/bnkdown.htm

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Far as I know, PKchu played around with a Tali scene instead of the stargazer scene. There was even a video of it somewhere at some point. Not sure if the modded version is available by now.
The main problem is that I am trying to keep MEHEM working for everyone, no matter what they did in game (I admit, the geth-quarian add-in is already a compromise on that). Adding scenes for everyone's LIs requires modding capabilities that were not yet available the last time I tried things.

That said, about 6 weeks ago, before I had to leave, I started working on v0.3 which included modding conditionals and adding scenes for the non-crew LIs etc. I made good progress but still encountered some issues that I'll have to work out when I get back. I'd say you can definitely expect progress on the Miranda/Jack situation for v0.3. As for more LI related stuff, I am not great with cutscenes and also this would require quite a few additions. Those additions were always a problem in the past but it looks like we got some new code for this in the mean time (can't wait to test it). With any luck, we'll see progress in that area in one of the next versions. I'll try to work on the technical implementation ASAP but again, my last attempt didn't work yet so I can't promise anything. Sorry for the delay in any real news, all I can say is that I am looking forward on getting back on things myself and hopefully, we'll get result sooner rather than later. While I couldn't work, I noted down a few new ideas which I am eager to try out.

@Kylenne & wavion: Hope you can figure things out. Let us know how it works out and what the problem was in case it may help others as well. Thanks!

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MrFob wrote...
@Kylenne & wavion: Hope you can figure things out. Let us know how it works out and what the problem was in case it may help others as well. Thanks!


I think we got it worked out; I think it was a hard drive space issue. I've updated the post where the installer is linked to let people know how much space is required before installation.
I'll also try to put some additional checks in the installer - hopefully will be ready by the time you have v0.3 ready.

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Yeah, it was a drive space issue. I was able to play through it just fine after freeing up more room, and got the new content without issues.

Thanks so much for the help, and for such a great mod. I really loved the changes, this saves the game for me, considering it's pretty much exactly how my headcanon went. :) Kudos to MrFob and the folks who have put so much hard work into this.

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@Kyleene Glad to hear that you managed to fix the problem! Keep an eye out for future versions of MEHEM.
@ MrFob
While the Quarian/Geth slide you are referring to may have been a compromise, it was necessary IMO. Because since many players managed to broker alliances (and saw this MEHEM mod) they would especially be looking to see if the Geth or Quarians were mentioned at all in the mod. So in the end, I think it served to fill a good part of the ending storyline :) I loved the slide anyway.
Nice to hear about the intentions and stuff for v0.3, hopefully that new code doesn't give you any problems. Wish you the best of luck, and will be looking forward to v0.3, LI scenes or not :)

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well to me slides for love interests explaining what happens after defeating the reapers and shepard being with the person he or she loves to me would be great ^^

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LiarasShield wrote...

well to me slides for love interests explaining what happens after defeating the reapers and shepard being with the person he or she loves to me would be great ^^


donno - you're not going to begin to cover everyone's head canon y'know,  - somethings is best left to "speculation"... what if Shep and Tali have a falling out for instance. ....

Shep:  "...if I hear 'My Soup!' every time we try something different,  I'm gonna scream..." 
Tali:   "How'd you like your very own brand new emergency induction port..??!!"

or for the liaramancers, fr'instance 

Just as thing seem to be settling into dull domesticity, Feron shows up with a bit more spring in his step...Liara decides that venerated asari custom - the threesome - would add some spice to the mix - Shepard is not at all cool with this but one must be modern these days, soo.....after a suitable interval its discovered their eldest is a budding - you guessed it - Ardat Yakshi - Shep blames Feron for the bad seed, Liara insists she's his but wants to send her to the monastery - Shep kicks Feron out and parent-knaps the kid, thinking he'll raise her himself.  Liara sends the Asari constabulary after the pair - meanwhile Aethyta sues for visitation rights...

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@ someone else.
Hahaha that made me laugh. Seriously though, considering the LI is still interested in Shep after possibly 3 games and going through hell and back, I doubt a split or threesome would happen, just my opinion

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someone else wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

well to me slides for love interests explaining what happens after defeating the reapers and shepard being with the person he or she loves to me would be great ^^


donno - you're not going to begin to cover everyone's head cannon y'know,  - somethings is best left to "speculation"... what if Shep and Tali have a falling out for instance. ....

Shep:  "...if I hear 'My Soup!' every more time we try something different,  I'm gonna scream..." 
Tali:   "How'd you like your very own brand new emergency induction port..??!!"

or for the liaramancers, fr'instance 

Just as thing seem to be settling into dull domesticity, Feron shows up with a bit more spring in his step...Liara decides that venerated asari custom - the threesome - would add some spice to the mix - Shepard is not at all cool with this but one must be modern these days, soo.....after a suitable interval its discovered their eldest is a budding - you guessed it - Ardat Yakshi - Shep blames Feron for the bad seed, Liara insists she's his but wants to send her to the monastery - Shep kicks Feron out and parent-knaps the kid, thinking he'll raise her himself.  Liara sends the Asari constabulary after the pair - meanwhile Aethyta sues for visitation rights...


If you can get that entire scenario into 1 ending slide, I'd vote for it out of principle.

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...i love the smell of headcanons in the morning...

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I've replaced the installer with a new version 02a (same link as the original). There is no reason to download it if you already have MEHEM working correctly. But it might help out first-timers, since I've added several error checking features (disk space checks, source file verification, etc). It also changes the back-up file extension from .bak to .bup, as mentioned previously. It makes it harder to screw up installation.

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I am still kinda with LiarasShield that a couple LI slides might be nice. But only if the slides are really good. Like, they have to feel right and pull at those heartstrings. Otherwise it is certainly best left to speculation. On a serious note, deviant art may already have some good pictures that would functions as great slides... maybe
@Wavion Excellent! Will save hundreds of hours of time in the end, considering how many people are gonna use it

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iakus wrote...

Oh, I admit it would be nice. I certainly wouldn't say "no" to it. And like I said, I think Miranda and Jack-mancers actually need something extra.

The problem is I'm not so sure how feasible it is. There's so many possible paths that could be taken. I mean, one Shepard might like the home on Thessia, blue babies, etc. Another might prefer Shepard staying a Spectre and Liara the Shadow Broker, just the two of them against the galaxy. No settling down for them!

For me the game ends with Shepard hugging Ash. Beyond that I'm happy speculating.


I think the main problem here would be (correct me if I'm wrong), the slides depicted are based upon other decisions and not your LI, so you'd have to re-program the game to use your LI decision at the end.  I don't think that's something modders can do.

What I mean is, you can't simply replace the Krogan baby scene or the Zaeed slide with Liara and blue babies.  The two are unrelated. 

And since the ending doesn't take into account an ME2 LI, but then defaults to "best friend" this would cause other problems. 

Would a post-ending happy life scene be fun, sure thing.  I think this mod helps to lead you to the conclusion that it's very possible if you have the "right" LI, but I do agree the game itself did a ******-poor job of handling ME2 LIs.

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3DandBeyond wrote...

I think the main problem here would be (correct me if I'm wrong), the slides depicted are based upon other decisions and not your LI, so you'd have to re-program the game to use your LI decision at the end.  I don't think that's something modders can do.

What I mean is, you can't simply replace the Krogan baby scene or the Zaeed slide with Liara and blue babies.  The two are unrelated. 

And since the ending doesn't take into account an ME2 LI, but then defaults to "best friend" this would cause other problems. 

Would a post-ending happy life scene be fun, sure thing.  I think this mod helps to lead you to the conclusion that it's very possible if you have the "right" LI, but I do agree the game itself did a ******-poor job of handling ME2 LIs.


Miranda and Jack are two LIs that I know are taken into account, as they have seperate LI slides from their usual ones (both have them gazing up at the sky)  My concern is the sheer number of ideas people have for what adventures they have with their LI afterwards.

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Based on my observations, this is MEHEM. By that I mean if the player is using this mod, their mindset will be geared to seeing a happy ending regarding their LI, regardless of whether they settle down or seek new galactic adventure. Perhaps a slide that shows Shep and the LI together while still keeping the majority of what Shep decided to do with his/her life (be it settle down or continue to fight for the galaxy) a bit vague. For example, while I would absolutely be ok with a slide showing Shepard building a house for Tali on Rannoch, but maybe people would think that too specific. So maybe a better picture would be to show Tali and Shepard holding hands and looking up at the stars or something. That type of slide would add a bit more to the LI thing while being compatible with every plausible scenario a player might come up with.

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I don't see how slides can take into account all the different custom Shepards. If you only show the back, there's hair color to consider. Plus you would have to distinguish between male and female Shepards. And if you go beyond that, you won't be able to tell that's even Shepard.

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Pick a color wrote...

I don't see how slides can take into account all the different custom Shepards. If you only show the back, there's hair color to consider. Plus you would have to distinguish between male and female Shepards. And if you go beyond that, you won't be able to tell that's even Shepard.


That's the thing.  You'd have a custom scene for everyone if it includes Shepard.  Now, BW could have done this with a cutscene or something.  Just a MEHEM shows how Shepard can take the place of another character.  It seems to me like the slides are not as customizable.

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Sorry I should have been more specific. Regarding the customizable variables regarding Shepard... Silhouettes are good. That way no matter what the face or hair colour or style... It all fits. Now the only problem with that is the male vs female Shep problem. In the end I see 2 ways to deal with that. 1: Have 2 different slides that are identical except one is for femshep and the other for maleshep, and the player decides which to install. But again, this makes MEHEM less crowd friendly than maybe it should be. I dont know. Problem is defining the line of what is too much know what I mean? So if one was to add a slide, option 2 is to have the slide IMPLY the presence of Shepard without actually showin too much of Shepard himself/herself. Such is totally plausible when it comes to art, all it requires is a little more creativity. In the end I am absolutely ok with adding an additional LI slide, but I also absolutely support that MEHEM needs to be crowd friendly.

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What would be optimal, of course, would be a cutscene that shows Shepard with the LI, and the scene takes whatever Shep and LI the player chose. But I doubt that's quite possible yet... :S

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cfs3corsair wrote...

Sorry I should have been more specific. Regarding the customizable variables regarding Shepard... Silhouettes are good. That way no matter what the face or hair colour or style... It all fits. Now the only problem with that is the male vs female Shep problem. In the end I see 2 ways to deal with that. 1: Have 2 different slides that are identical except one is for femshep and the other for maleshep, and the player decides which to install. But again, this makes MEHEM less crowd friendly than maybe it should be. I dont know. Problem is defining the line of what is too much know what I mean? So if one was to add a slide, option 2 is to have the slide IMPLY the presence of Shepard without actually showin too much of Shepard himself/herself. Such is totally plausible when it comes to art, all it requires is a little more creativity. In the end I am absolutely ok with adding an additional LI slide, but I also absolutely support that MEHEM needs to be crowd friendly.


I would argue that MEHEM is already as user-friendly as things get, really. With installer-files around to take care of the bulk of it even more so, at that.

Barring breakthroughs on inserting all-new variables, I believe choosing customised content in advance outside the game for LI-specific slides would already serve. Sure, it is not the most elegant of ways to go about it, but as of now, working outside the if-then-scripts already found in the game's epilogue, it's serviceable.
Slides, being pictures, are indeed one of the more malleable elements. I do not claim any grand skill in drawing any of those, but looking around at fans' artwork, I do believe it is very much possible to come up with something remarkable there.

Buzz Aldrin's cameo certainly does provide room for...more, something else, even. Greatly looking forward to updates coming up, at any rate.

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This mod isn't exactly my kind of thing but it's always great to see people creating something like this.

Couple of things from my mind, these may be know already known and/or there are already better methods to approach and it's very possible that I'm wrong but anyway:

If you plan to use custom slides, that might be doable because AFAIK they aren't slides per se, but bik video clips. What clips are shown depends probably from three things.
1. Save game before Cronos station.
2. EMS (multiplayer makes this bit complicated because galactic readiness value isn't stored in save file but game checks for it separately.
3. Ending choices.

Length of videos shown is tied to length of associated audio track.

Let's eliminate #2 and #3 for now and try with example with just #1 with scene where galactic fleet enters in Sol.

If save game says player made peace with Geth and Quarians are dead then bik video sequence about Geth fleet is loaded.
If save game says player made peace with Quarians and Geth are goners then bik video clip about Quarians is loaded.

Revealing factor here: If player achieved to make peace with both, only Quarian fleet bik video sequence is loaded. Why? It might be because there isn't long enough audio track that would synch with videos, if both, Quarian and Geth fleet bik videos were loaded in presentation that looks like one video to audience.

Solution would be adjusting the audio. I don't think those .bik videos take but few seconds, so just stretching audio track might work, if it won't then you can try pitch correction. There's free software that can do that, Audacity at least.

What comes to ending "slides", what is loaded depends again probably from save game and associated audio track. To be honest, I never cared that much what slides I got, my issues with ME3 are elsewhere, but I guess something like following might work:

Find from save file what triggers say Jack a or b slide and how it works. See if there are unused triggers like Liara is LI or Liara wasn't LI. If Liara = LI see if you can use that to load ltl_blu_babs,bik. slide.

If you can't, there might be other way to get slides to work. Simply edit one bik file to be longer, add what you want to include and that's it. Should work for at least something generic like slide from repopulated Citadel.

What comes to #2 I think there are already ways to manipulate EMS value via editing save game, so if you want to use EMS variables I would look how editing EMS value in save game works, what comes to galactic readiness, I wouldn't bother with that at all.

What comes to #3 I don't know if that's relevant in scope of this mod at all.

I think people who have made tools to manipulate save game and other editors could contribute information about how to trigger .bik files and perhaps after that you could come up with some sort of template and instructions and let community to toy with the videos, you could then have a vote or something what would be included.

And even if I was wrong about everything, everybody, don't be lazy old bastards like me! Support this guy! Toy with things, experiment and post what you find even if you can't make anything coherent with what you learned by yourself, doesn't matter because someone else may!

Edit:
Something that inspired me to write this: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/15654675

Modifié par ZLurps, 29 janvier 2013 - 07:44 .


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Well said. Fact of the matter is that tools for this have only developed so far, sadly. I mean don't get me wrong, the people who make the tools are good at what they do and if it wasn't for them this mod wouldn't exist. So Im really grateful to them and Mr Fob. But in the end, while I support new scenes/slides IF they are well picked, I am not sure if it is even possible to add-on at this point. I mean, part of the Anderson-Shepard conversation had to be cut out for the moment because of the technical issues. As far as I know, adding on is a tentative "plausible" at this point. I am not saying new slides couldn't be done (it could be done very well in fact), it just has to be planned.

Modifié par cfs3corsair, 31 janvier 2013 - 03:58 .