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[andyx1205]

 Hey, I was wondering what you considered to be the best gear for a Warrior Tank, overall.

Also, for my sustained abilities I use Shield Wall and Threaten and Precise Striking. Should I drop Precise Striking for Rally?

Rally wouldn't help my teamates since I got Wynne, Morrigan, and Leliana. 

[gx99-nq9y]

Jugernaut armour set

[swk3000]

Drop Threaten. It's useless. Just pop Taunt whenever it's available for use and you're set.

[ash the rpgamer]

blood dragon armor i'd say

[uberman409]

Best tank equipment? A 105mm cannon. Oh yes.

[Gecon]

swk3000 wrote...

Drop Threaten. It's useless. Just pop Taunt whenever it's available for use and you're set.

:huh::huh::huh:

Threaten no less than doubles the aggression of your attacks.

How on earth would that be optional ?

Its the only way to keep aggro if you arent on the top of the dps list.

And nope, Taunt isnt enough. Taunt can only be cast once its up, and it has a quite long recast timer. And its worse: Taunt doesnt scale at all. Its 300 aggro, 400 with frightening presence, no bonus from any stat whatsoever.

In any case, really ANY help which increases your aggro is highly desireable, especially if you have Mag maxed Mages with you.

Modifié par Gecon, 02 janvier 2010 - 11:59 .

[andyx1205]

Gecon, for my 3rd sustained ability would you go for rally over precise striking?



Precise Striking - +10 Attack Rating, +10% Crit Rate, Slower speed (dps is 39 while w/o precise striking it is 42)



Rally is +10 attack rating, +10 defence, +10 missile defence (and the damage is more in long term since i dont lose attack speed unlike precise striking)



My tank is a champion/templar if that matters (haven't invested any points in templar yet).

[sinosleep]

I've probably logged around 250 hours into this game and I never use threaten. I rarely ever lose threat. The fact that the cheap tactic of running into a group, taunting, having a mage force field you, and then aoe everything into oblivion works at all is all the proof you need that threaten is in no way shape or form necessary. Hell, people have used this junk to kill the high dragon and similar mobs while have the tank essentially do NOTHING and manage to not lose threat. I hate the tactic and even tried it myself just to see if it would work and it works flawlessly.



Taunt is obscenely powerful.

[Leon Zweihander]

Oghren as a sword and shield build( with respec mod) since dwarves imo make the best tanks with their passive ability to ignore hostile spells, as well as their bonuses to constitution and strength
Armor: Juggernaut set
Shield: Howe's Shield
Main: Keening Blade
Belt: Oghren's belt
Rings: Lifegiver and Ring of Ages
Amulet: Spellward

For sustained just keep Shield Wall up at all times having him be the first in battle.  If someone else gets aggro use taunt and all the enemies will stick to him.

Modifié par Leon Zweihander, 03 janvier 2010 - 07:55 .

[andyx1205]

What would you say is a better build for a tank:



Focusing on resistances by using juggernaut set/ring of ages/etc (that have high res)



or



Focusing on getting 100% spell resistance with knight commanders templar armor, key of city (over ring of ages) ,etc?

[BlackVader]

Seriously, why is everyone such a big fan of the juggernaut set? Even with the complete set you don't get anything exceptionally useful from it. 20% to all resistances and +3 constitution and strength? It's a nice bonus, sure, but there are definitely better armors around.

Most elemental damage comes from enemy spells, so why lower the damage when you can use the knight commander's plate to ignore it completely? Ok, you must be a templar to use it but most tanks are probably gonna be templars for the AoE attack anyway.
And even if you are no templar, Wade's Superior Plate is still much better than Juggernaut. Wade's got +25 Stamina which means almost free threaten. And the additional Stamina regeneration and huge Fire resistance doesn't hurt either.

For gloves, I think the Gloves of Digilence with their +4 armor are as good as it gets.

And Boots? Digilence has +6 defence and +2 armor. That's better than 5% resistance, if you ask me.

And yes, I even ignored overpowered DLC items. Otherwise items like the warden commander set or the Cadash stompers would be listed here as well.

So, despite costing no money at all, what's the big deal about Juggernaut? Am I missing something?

[Aseya]

and I thought blood dragon armor has such nice benefit I never bothered with juggernaut. I never had problems keeping alisatir alive and on my first playthrough I only had morigan with first heal spell and pots



I also always used threaten ability up becaus eiwthout it mobs would go after my rogue like mice to cheese

[swk3000]

Gecon: My problem with Threaten is simple: It only works on the enemy that is actually being attacked by the Tank. It's good for keeping one enemy focused on you, yes, but a Tank doesn't want *one* enemy focused on them; they want *all* enemies focused on them. Since Taunt is an AoE Talent, it wins out.



BlackVader: Honestly, I've never seen the point to the Juggernaut set. Sure, it's a nice +20 to all Elemental Resistances, but frankly, I'd rather have the Wade's Superior Dragonscale Plate Gloves and Boots (the Heavy stuff) with the Evon the Great's Mail. That's just me, though.

[swk3000]

Killing the High Dragon gets you armor that makes it easier to kill Flemeth. Other than that, yes, I agree that it's wierd.

[borelocin]

For equipment I use :

Wade's Superior Dragonbone ( full set )
The Spellward
Ring of Ages
Lifegiver
Andruil's Blessing
Sword and Shield ( the best I can get, with the ulitmate aim being Keening Blade and Fade Wall )

The fire resist is awesome ( especially if you have other resistance gear equipped as well) and the other resistances quite good. 
 
I use the following toggles (bear in mind I have a bard singing Song of Valor) - Rally, Shield Wall and Threaten.

With the decreased Stamina cost of the Wade's and Song of Valor topping up stamina I can maintain 3 toggles and still have enough stamina for Taunt and some shield attacks. Aggro is nice and sticky.  

Modifié par borelocin, 04 janvier 2010 - 11:06 .

[Chains-Gore]

I just use Shale as my tank. Keeps all Aggro with no issues, still hits like a truck, passive regen, tons of health. Stoneheart + Threaten and Shale will hold everything. Generally equipped with Nature or Spirit Crystals. Oh a Dragon you say? Well equip some Fire Crystals. I had Shale solo the High Dragon it was pretty funny.

[Gaidren]

I admit Shale is an amazing dragon tank due to immunity to grab (and decent fire resistance, if you use the right crystal).



Late game I find Shale's horrible defense rating (since you need to have some points in Con, and therefore can't really pump Dex with her) becomes a liability.

[stillnotking]

I've never had any trouble with Shale as long as I have healer in the group and occasionally pop a potion. Fully equipped Warrior tanks probably overtake her very late in the game... but who cares? Most of the toughest fights are over by then.



I find it strange that most of the theorycrafting here assumes ultra-high-level (20+) characters with access to all gear. At that point the game is essentially over.

[Koralis]

Evon's mail is great.  Good armor, health and stamina regen. The dodge is the biggest deal though.    By not being in a set, you can pick and choose other pieces on their merits instead of being forced to consider set bonuses.   The only downside is the expense.

Anyone know if there's a maximum Dodge value allowed byh the scripts?

[Taritu]

evon's mail can be used with the heavy dragonbone armor and get the set bonus, btw. My current plan for my 2 hander run through.

[Gaidren]

One thing I've always wondered about Shale....does she have some sort of passive AoE threat? The description of her Stoneheart form is very....unclear. Does she just have a small amount of initial passive aggro, like people wearing massive armor do....or does she have constant passive AoE threat generation?



I only used Shale for a short time, and it *did* seem like multiple mob packs stuck to her better than other tanks but it may have been my imagination..../shrug

[tetracycloide]

Gaidren wrote...

Late game I find Shale's horrible defense rating (since you need to have some points in Con, and therefore can't really pump Dex with her) becomes a liability.

The primary advantage of having Shale tank is that she gets 2 AoE stuns very quickly while warriors only get two fairly late in the game and only if they take templar and champion and max both out.

Shale can shore up her weakness in defense with a Large Brilliant Lightning Crystal which gives her a 15% chance to dodge melee attacks.  I am unsure of the exact mechanics of this stat but if it's anything like the rogue skill evasion this makes her a much better tank against super high attack targets or targets that debuff defense, like revenants.  Coupled with her high Constitution this makes for a very effective tank.

Honestly her greatest weakness is her inability to stack spell resist gear like warrior tanks.  Even warriors without templar specialization can stack as much as 72% spell resistance compared to Shale's maximum of 16%.  This is mitigated somewhat by her greater ability to stack damage specific resists but this requires inventory micromanagement.

[-Conspirator]

Wades Superior Heavy Dragonscale set with Evon the Great's Mail for the chest. The setbonus still works then.