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[Isichar]

dreman9999 wrote...

Isichar wrote...

Seival wrote...

Isichar wrote...

You know OP, you have a good topic, you make some good points. But its buried in such pro-ender opinionated BS that its a bit hard to read which is too bad.

May as well change the topic name to "More reasons why the people who dislike the ending are wrong" and it would basically hold the same value.

I think that name you suggested would be incorrect. I'm not going to tell anyone "you are wrong" in this thread. I'd rather make an assumption that any good sci-fi writer would love ME Story, and especially its ending.

Thats perfectly fine, again I think the topic you have made in itself is a good discussion, but theres a clear feeling I get from this and I know many others will that you are going out of your way to challange the anti-enders rather then actually discuss the topic of Sci-fiction writers opinions and how traditional sci-fi's have ended in comparison to ME3, since it is true ME3 gained much inspirations from such works.

I get the impression you genuinely believe what you are saying and not just trolling, but again your entire post just wreaks of the intent to challange the anti-enders and argue that you are going to attract much more flaming in your topic then actual discussion on the topic. Just saying I think you took a good topic and turned it into another flame thread.

The entire poitn of these types of topic is to challenge any one who doe snot like the ending to look at it in another perspective.
If the issue with the topic is that it will cause conflict , then you need to take in mind that conflict does cause progression.

Not when people are spending more effort in arguing then actual discussion, seems like more people are interested in stagnation then progression.

[dreamgazer]

A lot of writers would appreciate the ideology, the mystical quality of it, and the discussion that the ending sparked.

They wouldn't appreciate the slapdash execution.

[Fireblader70]

A good sci-fi writer would not be making such gaping plot holes...

[MegaSovereign]

Seival you're not gonna change anyone's mind.

[dreman9999]

Grubas wrote...

It dosn't make sense. It feels forced. If you leave out as many things as have been dumped in ME3 the audience at last deserves an epic conclusion story and gameplaywise.
Its a bad idea to suddenly go on the art train, just because its cheaper and creates less work.
If so, bw should have kept up the style the whole game long.

1.Th efact that the choice feels droppedon you lap is irrelivent. Not every choice you have the time to plan out and prep for before hand.
2. Added, the issues in the ending were decused well before anyway. In many converstions with Garrus, Liara, and Hackett you question if the crucible could be a double edge sword and what you would do in that case.

This is a game of hyptheticals, how and when the questions are asked to you does not change that no go ageins the themes of the story. The grand question form ME1 is what you would do and sacrifice to stop an unstoppable force. The final question in the game does no contradict that question.

The last question does make sense, you just don't like the question.

Modifié par dreman9999, 04 novembre 2012 - 04:39 .

[dreman9999]

Fireblader70 wrote...

A good sci-fi writer would not be making such gaping plot holes...

..What? Sci stories have many plot holes.

[dreman9999]

dreamgazer wrote...

A lot of writers would appreciate the ideology, the mystical quality of it, and the discussion that the ending sparked.

They wouldn't appreciate the slapdash execution.

The slap dash execution was with the orginal endings.

[Mcfly616]

Isichar wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

Isichar wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

Ironhandjustice wrote...

Obviously he did not remember that is "very similar" to Asimov's foundation cuatrilogy... right?

-Support the first foundation and kill second foundation and the IA's
-Support the second foundationd and control first foundation and destroy Ia's
-Support the IA's and make a synthesis with first and second foundations.

Very... "similar".

the ending of Foundations Edge (the options you just listed) is the direct inspiration for the ME3 ending.


And OP: I agree. ME3 was given a classic ending of the sci fi genre. Inspired by such writers as you listed. Seems people that say they know sci fi, really just mean Star Wars and Star Trek. I'll take the classic sci fi ending over Ewoks any day of the week.

So in other words:

Anyone who dislikes the ending does not know classic Sci-fi and anyone who likes it does?

did I say that? No, I didn't. I said "some people". Though, it would seem that those that dont like the ending, wouldn't really be satisfied by the majority of classic sci fi novels written in the last 50 years.

For so many people that are calling the OP "ignorant", I find it funny that they're getting upset. Hell, if anything Pro-Enders have some catching up to do in the ignorance department. That's a fact. Every thread I've seen that praises the end, or simply tries to discuss it, turns into a bashfest once the Anti-Enders see it. Troll after troll, jumping in simply to post: "NO. The Ending SUCKS!" or "its a pile of crap" or "its nonsensical and doesn't go with the themes of Mass Effect!".....Riiiight.

The term "ignorant" is a moot and hypocritical point on these forums.....well, if you're asking me atleast. You yourself are doing a fine job of sounding entitled

Orly?

Maybe you should read what you typed before you proceed to retell me.

And if you want to be perfectly honest Mcfly your basically on the top of my list of people that will mindlessly bash others beliefs you disagree with and that list includes both pro-enders and anti-enders. You have the exact same problem as the people you complain about, except your on the other side.

same difference. My point still stands. I in no way directed it towards anybody specific. Thanks for injecting yourself into it though. It's clear you want to be one of the "people" I was speaking of lol

Carry on

[Ajensis]

dreman9999 wrote...

Fireblader70 wrote...

A good sci-fi writer would not be making such gaping plot holes...

..What? Sci stories have many plot holes.

I think you're reading the wrong stories, then

[crimzontearz]

oh the ipse dixit argument


idiocy at its finest

[dreman9999]

Isichar wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Isichar wrote...

Seival wrote...

Isichar wrote...

You know OP, you have a good topic, you make some good points. But its buried in such pro-ender opinionated BS that its a bit hard to read which is too bad.

May as well change the topic name to "More reasons why the people who dislike the ending are wrong" and it would basically hold the same value.

I think that name you suggested would be incorrect. I'm not going to tell anyone "you are wrong" in this thread. I'd rather make an assumption that any good sci-fi writer would love ME Story, and especially its ending.

Thats perfectly fine, again I think the topic you have made in itself is a good discussion, but theres a clear feeling I get from this and I know many others will that you are going out of your way to challange the anti-enders rather then actually discuss the topic of Sci-fiction writers opinions and how traditional sci-fi's have ended in comparison to ME3, since it is true ME3 gained much inspirations from such works.

I get the impression you genuinely believe what you are saying and not just trolling, but again your entire post just wreaks of the intent to challange the anti-enders and argue that you are going to attract much more flaming in your topic then actual discussion on the topic. Just saying I think you took a good topic and turned it into another flame thread.

The entire poitn of these types of topic is to challenge any one who doe snot like the ending to look at it in another perspective.
If the issue with the topic is that it will cause conflict , then you need to take in mind that conflict does cause progression.

Not when people are spending more effort in arguing then actual discussion, seems like more people are interested in stagnation then progression.

True, noise does get in the way....Which is the ops point.

[Mcfly616]

Fireblader70 wrote...

A good sci-fi writer would not be making such gaping plot holes...

I would love to hear what "plotholes" you speak of....

[Mathias]

Melinda M. Snodgrass, one of the writers for Star Trek TNG, most known for her episode "Measure of Man", actually weighed in on the ending and talked about how bad it was. So i guess she no longer qualifies as a "genius sci fi writer".

As an ending hater, i agree i need to get over the ending, but Pro-Enders like the OP really need to get over their pretentious attitude towards haters as well.

EDIT: Also what about Joss Whedon who also commented on the ending. I guess he isn't a good Sci Fi writer either.

Modifié par Mdoggy1214, 04 novembre 2012 - 04:39 .

[ghost9191]

everyone has their right to their opinion. no point in trying to force yours on them . they want to hate it . so be it. you want to like it great.

least bioware did a good job at splitting the community

[Isichar]

Mcfly616 wrote...

Isichar wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

Isichar wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

Ironhandjustice wrote...

Obviously he did not remember that is "very similar" to Asimov's foundation cuatrilogy... right?

-Support the first foundation and kill second foundation and the IA's
-Support the second foundationd and control first foundation and destroy Ia's
-Support the IA's and make a synthesis with first and second foundations.

Very... "similar".

the ending of Foundations Edge (the options you just listed) is the direct inspiration for the ME3 ending.


And OP: I agree. ME3 was given a classic ending of the sci fi genre. Inspired by such writers as you listed. Seems people that say they know sci fi, really just mean Star Wars and Star Trek. I'll take the classic sci fi ending over Ewoks any day of the week.

So in other words:

Anyone who dislikes the ending does not know classic Sci-fi and anyone who likes it does?

did I say that? No, I didn't. I said "some people". Though, it would seem that those that dont like the ending, wouldn't really be satisfied by the majority of classic sci fi novels written in the last 50 years.

For so many people that are calling the OP "ignorant", I find it funny that they're getting upset. Hell, if anything Pro-Enders have some catching up to do in the ignorance department. That's a fact. Every thread I've seen that praises the end, or simply tries to discuss it, turns into a bashfest once the Anti-Enders see it. Troll after troll, jumping in simply to post: "NO. The Ending SUCKS!" or "its a pile of crap" or "its nonsensical and doesn't go with the themes of Mass Effect!".....Riiiight.

The term "ignorant" is a moot and hypocritical point on these forums.....well, if you're asking me atleast. You yourself are doing a fine job of sounding entitled

Orly?

Maybe you should read what you typed before you proceed to retell me.

And if you want to be perfectly honest Mcfly your basically on the top of my list of people that will mindlessly bash others beliefs you disagree with and that list includes both pro-enders and anti-enders. You have the exact same problem as the people you complain about, except your on the other side.

same difference. My point still stands. I in no way directed it towards anybody specific. Thanks for injecting yourself into it though. It's clear you want to be one of the "people" I was speaking of lol

Carry on

Funny I take that as more of a compliment then anything else coming from you.

Modifié par Isichar, 04 novembre 2012 - 04:41 .

[jstme]

Seival, do not use other people that did not express (and some sadly can no longer express) their opinions on ME3 endings to justify your own preferences.
You know what, find as many real sci-fi author that played the ME trilogy as possible and ask them. Then your title will have any meaning.
And endings are written badly. They do not belong to ME narrative,they are depressing and yet despite all those downsides they fail to bring any original ideas - the only thing that could give writers some credit for problems i mentioned above.
Not really related to your post so sorry for off topic,but what sci-fi writers you have read you consider genius?
Besides Harry Harrison,that is.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

I have a feeling that most good writers would say that you should not tape an ending that would fit into 2001:  A space odyssey onto a series that had for the most part had been a heroic sci-fi akin to Star wars or Star Trek. Or vice versa for that matter.

[Fireblader70]

dreman9999 wrote...

Fireblader70 wrote...

A good sci-fi writer would not be making such gaping plot holes...

..What? Sci stories have many plot holes.

Every story has plot holes. But Mass Effect 3's are so... massive... it boggles the mind

[dreman9999]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

Melinda M. Snodgrass, one of the writers for Star Trek TNG, most known for her episode "Measure of Man", actually weighed in on the ending and talked about how bad it was. So i guess she no longer qualifies as a "genius sci fi writer".

As an ending hater, i agree i need to get over the ending, but Pro-Enders like the OP really need to get over their pretentious attitude towards haters as well.

EDIT: Also what about Joss Whedon who also commented on the ending. I guess he isn't a good Sci Fi writer either.

She was taking about the  original endings and she was taking the catalystasthe voice of bw...Which it is not. She missed the fact that this was a machine doing what it was programmed to do. It thatit was an issue with shackled machines.

[Fireblader70]

Mcfly616 wrote...

Fireblader70 wrote...

A good sci-fi writer would not be making such gaping plot holes...

I would love to hear what "plotholes" you speak of....

Well tough I am not getting myself into a long, heated argument again... sorry!

[dreman9999]

Fireblader70 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Fireblader70 wrote...

A good sci-fi writer would not be making such gaping plot holes...

..What? Sci stories have many plot holes.

Every story has plot holes. But Mass Effect 3's are so... massive... it boggles the mind

What mind boggling plot holes? EC covered most of them. 

[dreamgazer]

dreman9999 wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

A lot of writers would appreciate the ideology, the mystical quality of it, and the discussion that the ending sparked.

They wouldn't appreciate the slapdash execution.

The slap dash execution was with the orginal endings.

No, the inherent problems with practicality and clarity of perspective are still there.

[Mcfly616]

Isichar wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

Isichar wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

Isichar wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

Ironhandjustice wrote...

Obviously he did not remember that is "very similar" to Asimov's foundation cuatrilogy... right?

-Support the first foundation and kill second foundation and the IA's
-Support the second foundationd and control first foundation and destroy Ia's
-Support the IA's and make a synthesis with first and second foundations.

Very... "similar".

the ending of Foundations Edge (the options you just listed) is the direct inspiration for the ME3 ending.


And OP: I agree. ME3 was given a classic ending of the sci fi genre. Inspired by such writers as you listed. Seems people that say they know sci fi, really just mean Star Wars and Star Trek. I'll take the classic sci fi ending over Ewoks any day of the week.

So in other words:

Anyone who dislikes the ending does not know classic Sci-fi and anyone who likes it does?

did I say that? No, I didn't. I said "some people". Though, it would seem that those that dont like the ending, wouldn't really be satisfied by the majority of classic sci fi novels written in the last 50 years.

For so many people that are calling the OP "ignorant", I find it funny that they're getting upset. Hell, if anything Pro-Enders have some catching up to do in the ignorance department. That's a fact. Every thread I've seen that praises the end, or simply tries to discuss it, turns into a bashfest once the Anti-Enders see it. Troll after troll, jumping in simply to post: "NO. The Ending SUCKS!" or "its a pile of crap" or "its nonsensical and doesn't go with the themes of Mass Effect!".....Riiiight.

The term "ignorant" is a moot and hypocritical point on these forums.....well, if you're asking me atleast. You yourself are doing a fine job of sounding entitled

Orly?

Maybe you should read what you typed before you proceed to retell me.

And if you want to be perfectly honest Mcfly your basically on the top of my list of people that will mindlessly bash others beliefs you disagree with and that list includes both pro-enders and anti-enders. You have the exact same problem as the people you complain about, except your on the other side.

same difference. My point still stands. I in no way directed it towards anybody specific. Thanks for injecting yourself into it though. It's clear you want to be one of the "people" I was speaking of lol

Carry on

Funny I take that as more of a compliment then anything else coming from you.

haha I could care less about your "list" lmao. Please show me a spexific post where I mindlessly bashed any individual, without them first bashing someone or some thing. Please do....I'll wait

[Mathias]

dreman9999 wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

Melinda M. Snodgrass, one of the writers for Star Trek TNG, most known for her episode "Measure of Man", actually weighed in on the ending and talked about how bad it was. So i guess she no longer qualifies as a "genius sci fi writer".

As an ending hater, i agree i need to get over the ending, but Pro-Enders like the OP really need to get over their pretentious attitude towards haters as well.

EDIT: Also what about Joss Whedon who also commented on the ending. I guess he isn't a good Sci Fi writer either.

She was taking about the  original endings and she was taking the catalystasthe voice of bw...Which it is not. She missed the fact that this was a machine doing what it was programmed to do. It thatit was an issue with shackled machines.

After the EC, there were some lines from the Catalyst that definitely sounded like it was coming from the mouth of the writers. Like i was being talked down to. So Melissa's point still stands with me.

[DrGunjah]

How can anyone expect to be taken seriously when stating "the ending makes perfect sense" ?
Liking or disliking it, ok. Though when you ignore all the flaws of the ending, that's by definition ignorance.