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Harry Harrison would love ME3 ending. As would any genius sci-fi writer.


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Seival wrote...
Harry Harrison might be little known only to the ones who don't know what the sci-fi really means.

Star Wars title is just silly adventure without any good story. Just action, action, more action, and overhyped popularity. Completely empty and useless universe.

:crying:
Bioware writers did KotOR a while back, which they built within the SW universe...

It was maybe silly and action-packed, but tbh it was also by far one of my favourite videogame stories...

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...I'm glad that BioWere writers were inspired by true sci-fi

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Correct...

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Seival wrote...
Harry Harrison might be little known only to the ones who don't know what the sci-fi really means.

Star Wars title is just silly adventure without any good story. Just action, action, more action, and overhyped popularity. Completely empty and useless universe.


No, you sir, are no true scotsman.

Modifié par Greylycantrope, 06 novembre 2012 - 07:56 .


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Seival wrote...

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Seival wrote...


...I'm glad that BioWere writers were inspired by true sci-fi, and not by Star Wars.


You're glad BioWare were (allegedly) inspired by some little-known sci-fi conceptualist, rather than the most popular science fiction franchise in history? 

Seival's made up rules about fiction are hilarious. 


Harry Harrison might be little known only to the ones who don't know what the sci-fi really means.


Your made up rules about science fiction are irrelevant. 

Star Wars title is just silly adventure without any good story. Just action, action, more action, and overhyped popularity. Completely empty and useless universe.


All opinion, lacking in any sort of credibility or factual backing. If it's so 'empty and useless' explain why it's so popular. Without saying anything about simple minded people just liking the action and adventure side, because that's all Mass Effect is as well. 

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Davik Kang wrote...
:crying:
Bioware writers did KotOR a while back, which they built within the SW universe...

It was maybe silly and action-packed, but tbh it was also by far one of my favourite videogame stories...

LOL you always died in it :lol:

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Davik Kang wrote...

Seival wrote...
Harry Harrison might be little known only to the ones who don't know what the sci-fi really means.

Star Wars title is just silly adventure without any good story. Just action, action, more action, and overhyped popularity. Completely empty and useless universe.

:crying:
Bioware writers did KotOR a while back, which they built within the SW universe...

It was maybe silly and action-packed, but tbh it was also by far one of my favourite videogame stories...


To say I dislike everything about Star Wars is to say nothing. That silly universe deserved to end up in MMO, and to be sold to Disney...

...No offence.

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Not sure if OP is more Obtuse than Blueprotoss or is simply the same person.

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Greylycantrope wrote...
LOL you always died in it [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/lol.png[/smilie]

Huh?
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To say I dislike everything about Star Wars is to say nothing. That silly universe deserved to end up in MMO, and to be sold to Disney...
...No offence.

?  None taken... (?)

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One is entitled to opinions after all...

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Greylycantrope wrote...
LOL you always died in it [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/lol.png[/smilie]

Huh?
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so ,.. mass effect was not inspried by star wars .. mhmm ...

what was that strange thing that made the galaxy go? was it eezo or the force .. cant tell the difference.

mass effect is fantasy in space - just like star wars - not hardcore scifi. people like that, because it responds to our technical and mystical side.

plot twists and strange endings are wonderfull - in short stories and twilight zone episodes. you can not end a story with a different tone, than you were telling it for almost three parts - this goes against basic rules of writing a story.

http://www.writersdi...f-novel-endings

Modifié par Dr_Extrem, 06 novembre 2012 - 08:04 .


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Davik Kang, he's dead, always.


OHHHHHHHHHHHHH.

Whoops I really should've got that.

However, it's not true!!!  I live!!!

Modifié par Davik Kang, 06 novembre 2012 - 08:03 .


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@Seival

I am pretty sure the person who gave us the Character of James DiGriz would not condone the enforced conformity and acceptance at gunpoint a choice such as oh, Synthesis.

For one to quote an author and use one of his works as the basis of your "proof", isn't it rather pretentious to ignore his OTHER works and claim that the author would support *your* view point, contrary to what his other works would suggest?

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Davik Kang wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...
Davik Kang, he's dead, always.


OHHHHHHHHHHHHH.

Whoops I really should've got that.

However, it's not true!!!  I live!!!

Space Zombie! :o

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@Seival

I am pretty sure the person who gave us the Character of James DiGriz would not condone the enforced conformity and acceptance at gunpoint a choice such as oh, Synthesis.

For one to quote an author and use one of his works as the basis of your "proof", isn't it rather pretentious to ignore his OTHER works and claim that the author would support *your* view point, contrary to what hus other works would suggest?


You didn't get it, did you? OP was not used to approve or disprove Synthesis, Control, or Destroy. It was used to show that any good sci-fi story has deep philosophical meaning, and different people might have different points of view on that meaning.

Very few people understood what I meant here. And if the rest can't understand that simple OP, then how can they understand ME3 ending in first place?

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Seival wrote...

Archonsg wrote...

@Seival

I am pretty sure the person who gave us the Character of James DiGriz would not condone the enforced conformity and acceptance at gunpoint a choice such as oh, Synthesis.

For one to quote an author and use one of his works as the basis of your "proof", isn't it rather pretentious to ignore his OTHER works and claim that the author would support *your* view point, contrary to what hus other works would suggest?


You didn't get it, did you? OP was not used to approve or disprove Synthesis, Control, or Destroy. It was used to show that any good sci-fi story has deep philosophical meaning, and different people might have different points of view on that meaning.

Very few people understood what I meant here. And if the rest can't understand that simple OP, then how can they understand ME3 ending in first place?


A good comparison would be a mental house and one of the residents saying "What if we're the sane ones?".

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Deep philosophical concept implies having a certain theme run through the entirety of the work, weigh in on the positive and negative perspectives of both sides of the issue presented and than present a resolution that shows the the author's view point or leave a question to be resolved by the audience. It's not throwing random concepts out and hoping they stick, which is the case with ME3.

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@Seival
And you apparently didn't understand mine.

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Greylycantrope wrote...
Deep philosophical concept implies having a certain theme run through the entirety of the work, weigh in on the positive and negative perspectives of both sides of the issue presented and than present a resolution that shows the the author's view point or leave a question to be resolved by the audience. It's not throwing random concepts out and hoping they stick, which is the case with ME3.

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Greylycantrope wrote...

Deep philosophical concept implies having a certain theme run through the entirety of the work, weigh in on the positive and negative perspectives of both sides of the issue presented and than present a resolution that shows the the author's view point or leave a question to be resolved by the audience. It's not throwing random concepts out and hoping they stick, which is the case with ME3.


ME3 never throw any random concepts. The ending and everything we learned before are the organic whole.

Organic-vs-synthetic problem was there from the very beginning. Everything was coming to what we've seen in ME3 ending. Ending was unpredictable, and it showed us what the story is about, and that was brilliant. Everything that happend before matters.

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It's useless, anyone that doesn't like the ending just doesn't get the deep meaningful (f)art of Bioware writers, you should all know by now.
Ignore that they themselves said they made up the story as they went along, and just pretend it was all planned as the trolling to end all trollings.

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Suspire wrote...
they themselves said they made up the story as they went along...

You mean that they took the time to craft the story over 8 years, rather than just spit the whole thing out in one all-nighter?

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Suspire wrote...

It's useless, anyone that doesn't like the ending just doesn't get the deep meaningful (f)art of Bioware writers, you should all know by now.
Ignore that they themselves said they made up the story as they went along, and just pretend it was all planned as the trolling to end all trollings.


The fact is that they didn't "made up the story as they went along". Untill the story isn't told to the very end - it's incomplete. You can't say what the story is about while it's incomplete. Only completely finished story can show you the whole picture that was intended.

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Davik Kang wrote...

Suspire wrote...
they themselves said they made up the story as they went along...

You mean that they took the time to craft the story over 8 years, rather than just spit the whole thing out in one all-nighter?

I mean that they had no idea how the following games in the sequel would be like, and they had a lot of different ideas for the ending, so they decided on what to write as they went along They had no ending planned from ME1. So "respect teh artistz intent, u didnt noe it!!" is bull****.

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ME3 never throw any random concepts. The ending and everything we learned before are the organic whole.

Organic-vs-synthetic problem was there from the very beginning. Everything was coming to what we've seen in ME3 ending. Ending was unpredictable, and it showed us what the story is about, and that was brilliant. Everything that happend before matters.

Right the Krogan arc had everything to do with the Synthetics organics conflict, as did our action agains the collectors/ sarcasm.
The conflcit being present, and resolved before hand I might add, doesn't make it the central theme. We've had machines standing with us against the Reapers since ME2, we might still be fighting Reapers but we're fighting them because they're a faction trying to kill us, not because they're synthetics and all synthetics are bad. Much like we're not fighting Cerberus because they're organic but because they're a faction trying to kill us.

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Davik Kang finds your lack of faith... disturbing...

He should frown louder, having trouble noticing with all that rumble on top of him.

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Seival wrote...

Suspire wrote...

It's useless, anyone that doesn't like the ending just doesn't get the deep meaningful (f)art of Bioware writers, you should all know by now.
Ignore that they themselves said they made up the story as they went along, and just pretend it was all planned as the trolling to end all trollings.


The fact is that they didn't "made up the story as they went along". Untill the story isn't told to the very end - it's incomplete. You can't say what the story is about while it's incomplete. Only completely finished story can show you the whole picture that was intended.


Yes they did and you're wrong, you can.