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[Davik Kang]

Suspire wrote...
In other words, you don't understand or want to talk about any of the points I brought up,

Strange because I thought it was you who started the trend of ignoring the points that I brought up... you know, like, you don't write endings at the end of the writing process, and that the success of ME is mainly due to the overall excellence of the writing, which is accepted by most actual fans until the ending...

But let's see...

Suspire wrote...
the games have more inconsistancies than my grandma's skin. So fail anyway...
Like it's any secret that BW games have been getting worse with each release lol...
pure bad decision making combined with rushed deadline...
over ambition and swollen egos...
being more and more out of touch with your fans...
wanting to do something "different" (er, just not different from Deus Ex and the Matrix) just for the sake of being edgy and cool etc. 

I will admit defeat, I really haven't got the energy to argue with the juvenile efforts at rationale listed here.  How about you pop into a generic ending hate thread... you'll get plenty of supprt for saying things like "bad writing LOL".  You'll have a really fun time, I promise.  Go play now.

Modifié par Davik Kang, 06 novembre 2012 - 11:35 .

[Redbelle]

Seival wrote...

sAxMoNkI wrote...

Seival wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

Seival wrote...

StarcloudSWG wrote...

... DNA is a rule? A RULE? Did you even pass biochemistry 101? Did you even *attend* biochemistry 101?

Of cource it is. You don't have to be a scientist to know that.

Such scientific terms describe the mechanics of some particular processes, not "createting a picture of microscopical fraction".

This post hurt my biology

I assume you see DNA as just "an acid which stores genetic information"? Just like you see Reapers as Spaceship Armada hostile to Galactic Civilization... And don't even realize that they both are "rules". The first describes how "genetic information storage" works, and the second - how Catalyst's solution works...

...You don't see the meaning of the things, so how can you probably like or dislike story you don't actually understand?

*Speechless at the lunacy*

You realise that *what* something is, *how* it functions and *why* it performs its functions are completely separate concepts right?

You realize that "how it functions?" and "why it performs its functions?" are much more important questions than "what it is?". "How" and "why" are "rules". "What" - is a "picture". You never judge something by "picture", you only judge something by "why" and "how". "Pictures" are only a titles which you use to categorise your knowledge.

What you are also implying is that what is it has no bearing on the understanding of how and why it works.

Or to put it another way. If someone said the lens and iris control the light levels and focus. To what is being referred to?

An eyeball? Or a camera?

The amount of how and what I put into the explanation would eventually tell us if it was organic or synthetic, but it's so much easier to say What is being discussed so the information can be placed into context.

[TheRealJayDee]

StarcloudSWG wrote...

Synthesis comes down to two things: Either it allows conflict, which means conflict can be between synthetics and organics, or organics and organics, or synthetics and synthetics, in which case the Catalyst FAILS and Synthesis is NOT a solution; or it does NOT allow conflict, in which case everyone is *mind-controlled* into being peaceful, at least until life arises that is outside the mind-control network.

Needs to be repeated...!

[Seival]

Davik Kang wrote...

Seival wrote...

...To stop being Alien is to remove the most dangerous differences.

Seival, I know it's a 2nd-language thing but you do need to be careful about the way you phrase things in general.  This is another "Final Solution" moment...

I doubt you actually intend the implications of some of the things you say, but you would do well to make your position very clear on things like facism and eugenics before you continue.  Am being serious btw.

I think it's clear, that differences can be removed without any violence. Did I ever suggested to genocide one of parts  of the conflict? No, that what Destroyers suggest to do. I never liked Destroy and never will. "Nobody else dies today" is one of my favorite quotes in the game, and that is one of the main reasons I support Control and Synthesis.

[dreamgazer]

Whoa. This thread went ... interesting places, didn't it?

[GreyLycanTrope]

Seival wrote...

I think it's clear, that differences can be removed without any violence. Did I ever suggested to genocide one of parts  of the conflict? No, that what Destroyers suggest to do. I never liked Destroy and never will. "Nobody else dies today" is one of my favorite quotes in the game, and that is one of the main reasons I support Control and Synthesis.

You certain it won't be violent? Just becuase you don't want to see it doesn't mean it won't occur. Some people are attached to their differences. I certianly am.

[Seival]

Sauruz wrote...

Seival wrote...

...To stop being Alien is to remove the most dangerous differences.

Wow. I have not read something that is so misanthropic in a long while. This is Troper Tales-stuff.
To stop being alien means to accept each other's differences, not to remove them. What the ****. What the ****. What the ****.

I'm afraid that differences can't be accepted. You can hide the hostility, and can even convince yourself the hostility is gone, but that is a delusion. Sooner or later that hidden bomb will blow...

...It's better to remove the bomb, than keep it armed in a museum.

Modifié par Seival, 06 novembre 2012 - 11:45 .

[Davik Kang]

Seival wrote...

Davik Kang wrote...

Seival wrote...

...To stop being Alien is to remove the most dangerous differences.

Seival, I know it's a 2nd-language thing but you do need to be careful about the way you phrase things in general.  This is another "Final Solution" moment...

I doubt you actually intend the implications of some of the things you say, but you would do well to make your position very clear on things like facism and eugenics before you continue.  Am being serious btw.

I think it's clear, that differences can be removed without any violence. Did I ever suggested to genocide one of parts  of the conflict? No, that what Destroyers suggest to do. I never liked Destroy and never will. "Nobody else dies today" is one of my favorite quotes in the game, and that is one of the main reasons I support Control and Synthesis.

Listen, I'm trying to help you out here.  Violence is not the issue.  You need to look up fascism and eugenics and make it very clear what you think about these issues, or this thread could go very bad, very quickly.  

I'm not trying to make you look silly or anything like that, I promise.  I just think you need to look them up and make it clear that you understand what people are getting worried about here.

[ShepnTali]

OP practicing for stand-up comedy career.

[M Hedonist]

Wanting to remove people's differences, whether with violence or without, is a detestable idea in either case. And I shudder at the term "dangerous differences".
Differences aren't dangerous. People who use terms like "dangerous differences" are dangerous.

Modifié par Sauruz, 06 novembre 2012 - 11:49 .

[GreyLycanTrope]

We're already there Davik, not for the first time either. "Unsynthesised reservations" all I'm saying.

[Applepie_Svk]

Seival wrote...

Sauruz wrote...

Seival wrote...

...To stop being Alien is to remove the most dangerous differences.

Wow. I have not read something that is so misanthropic in a long while. This is Troper Tales-stuff.
To stop being alien means to accept each other's differences, not to remove them. What the ****. What the ****. What the ****.

I'm afraid that differences can't be accepted. You can hide the hostility, and can even convince yourself the hostility is gone, but that is a delusion. Sooner or later that hidden bomb will blow...

...It's better to remove the bomb, than keep it armed in a museum.

Then you can´t blame people for ignoring you... people with this kind of mentality lost world war 2...

[dreamgazer]

Seival wrote...

...It's better to remove the bomb, than keep it armed in a museum.

Heh.  Plenty of people would say that very thing about the Reapers.

[dreamgazer]

Strange forum double-post.

Modifié par dreamgazer, 06 novembre 2012 - 11:58 .

[GreyLycanTrope]

IReuven wrote...
The Diversity is strenght. Not a weakness. Even the evolution proved that... The DNA we were talking about earlier proved that... Also proved that the mistake is not always a bad thing.

THIS. Sevial you know the difference between the facinating difference between a purebreed dog and mutt? Their genetic code is the same but their alleles vary to different degrees. Mutts tend to be healthier and have less genetic ailments as a result. Mutation is also how we adapt and evolve. It is the inherant and sometimes random allelic difference which causes change within an individual or population and  from time to time is highly benificial to the species.

Modifié par Greylycantrope, 07 novembre 2012 - 12:03 .

[Seival]

Davik Kang wrote...

Seival wrote...

Davik Kang wrote...

Seival wrote...

...To stop being Alien is to remove the most dangerous differences.

Seival, I know it's a 2nd-language thing but you do need to be careful about the way you phrase things in general.  This is another "Final Solution" moment...

I doubt you actually intend the implications of some of the things you say, but you would do well to make your position very clear on things like facism and eugenics before you continue.  Am being serious btw.

I think it's clear, that differences can be removed without any violence. Did I ever suggested to genocide one of parts  of the conflict? No, that what Destroyers suggest to do. I never liked Destroy and never will. "Nobody else dies today" is one of my favorite quotes in the game, and that is one of the main reasons I support Control and Synthesis.

Listen, I'm trying to help you out here.  Violence is not the issue.  You need to look up fascism and eugenics and make it very clear what you think about these issues, or this thread could go very bad, very quickly.  

I'm not trying to make you look silly or anything like that, I promise.  I just think you need to look them up and make it clear that you understand what people are getting worried about here.

You know what fascism means in reality - violence. And that topic is prohibited, just like the fascism symbols... At least in my country.

What I'm saying has nothing to do with the fascism or anything similar. Because there is nothing bad about removing differences without hurting anyone.

Army gives you uniform to remove differences in clothing between soldiers. Is that fascism? It is not. School gives the same education to different people, and that also isn't a fascism. And Synthesis is as harmless as giving new uniform and the same education, but achieves much more.

[M Hedonist]

Seival, do you actually have any grasp on science?
As in, did you finish High School? Elementary school? Anything?

[Applepie_Svk]

Seival wrote...


You know what fascism means in reality - violence. And that topic is prohibited, just like the fascism symbols... At least in my country.

What I'm saying has nothing to do with the fascism or anything similar. Because there is nothing bad about removing differences without hurting anyone.

Army gives you uniform to remove differences in clothing between soldiers. Is that fascism? It is not. School gives the same education to different people, and that also isn't a fascism. And Synthesis is as harmless as giving new uniform and the same education, but achieves much more.

You are talking about difference as about dangerous things, with some education you would never say that...

What you are saying is one of the reason of holocaust... maybe worst crime created by war when war itself is crime... just because they were different, successful, ritch - they were sent to death.

Modifié par Applepie_Svk, 07 novembre 2012 - 12:09 .

[Davik Kang]

I...

am...

outta here

[The Night Mammoth]

Davik Kang wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...
Lets see...

For Control, we have the Illusive Man and Cerberus going on about it in the third game, but all we did was fight against that idea. It wasn't always about control, and its pressence is minor at best. Pretty sh*tty support for one of the apparent three pillars of the game. 

For Synthesis, Saren kind of said something similar to it that one time before he dies, but then it's forgotten about for the rest of the game. 

For destoy, I guess that was pretty much just the third game, but then the third game is all about destorying them. Stopping them was more correct, but stopping them never involved cooperation, or anything like control or synthesis. 

Organics versus Synthetics was part of the Geth and Quarian relationship, never the main conflict, never said to be a galaxy defining problem, unsolvable, or the cause of organic extinction. 

I'll take it that you're being serious?  Seriously serious?

Control is something that wasn't alluded to?  

OF COURSE we fight against it the whole game.  THAT'S THE POINT.  YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO THINK "hmm, where have I heard this before?"  AND THEN THINK "is this a good idea?"  IT'S BEEN SMASHED IN YOUR FACE FOR THE WHOLE OF ME2 AND ME3.  USING YOUR OPPONENT'S WEAPONS AGAINST THEM.  USING THE TECHNOLOGY LEFT BY THE PROTHEANS AND THE REAPERS.  IS THIS A GOOD IDEA?

The idea of using your enemies technology and the moral implications of it, utilizing knowledge in general (Maleon's data, for example), is not the same as Control. Control is the Illusive Man using the Reapers for Cerberus's ends. We fight the idea of doing this through the entire game, and for it to suddenly become an option five minutes after the f*cker dies thanks to you taking objection to his plans, is seriously f*cking funny. In a bad way. 

Saren said something similar to Synthesis?  DID YOU MISS THE REPEATED CONVERSATIONS ABOUT LIFE ASCENDING TO A PEAK OF EVOLUTION?  SPIECES BEING UPLIFTED AND BEING UNABLE TO HANDLE IT BECUASE THEY WEREN'T READY?  LEGION TALKING ABOUT REACHING A FINAL STATE OF EVOLUTION WHERE THEY WERE ALL CONNECTED TO A CENTRAL FRAMEWORK?  HARBINGER AND SOVERIEGN BANGING ON ABOUT THE INEVITABILITY OF GENETIC DESTINY AND BEING THE HARBINGER OF OUR PERFECTION?

Certainly not, it's just that none of its relevant to the idea of Synthesis. 

Oh, Destroying them didn't involve cooperating?  OH REALLY?  ARE YOU SURE?  HOLY CRAP.  I THOUGHT THEY ALWAYS WANTED US TO WIPE THEM OUT.  YOU MAKE IT SOUND AS IF DESTROY IS SOMEHOW OPPOSED TO SYNTHESIS AND CONTROL.

Not entirely sure what any of that means. 

Did you just smash the buttons every time a character started talking?  WERE WE EVEN PLAYING THE SAME GAME?

From this caps-fileld rant of irrelevancy; seems like it. Obviously what you gleaned from the story is different from what I did.