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[Chaotic-Fusion]

Seival wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

while reading your last post, i think i had a stroke.


well we are the "apex race", because of two genetic defects.

the first is a muscle defect, who slowly moved our thumb into the position, where it is now

th second is a muscle defect, who caused our masticatory muscle degenerate - this led to our hightened skull volume, increasing brain matter.

as a chemical lab technician, i can tell you that dna is acid - in a precise, chemical way.

we are a sum of our defects.

So I suppose that as a chemical lab technician you don't care about what exactly are you doing, just "mixing the reagents, like school teached me, and boss told me". Correct? I wonder why you "mad scientists" didn't manage to blow up the Earth already... But, some particular scientists were quite close to that with all those barbaric nuclear experiments...

...That what happens when people think about words themselves more than about their meanings.

Also. Defects which provided advantages are not defects. Humanity is a product of Evolution, and we are superior on this planet.

Wow. I can't wrap my head around so much ignorance. Not only have you managed to show your obvious lack of biological knowledge, but with the "mad scientists" I just... really can't believe someone can be so idiotic. Without people like him, Seival, you would have had a 50% chance of dying at birth, among other things.

[Seival]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

Seival wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

while reading your last post, i think i had a stroke.


well we are the "apex race", because of two genetic defects.

the first is a muscle defect, who slowly moved our thumb into the position, where it is now

th second is a muscle defect, who caused our masticatory muscle degenerate - this led to our hightened skull volume, increasing brain matter.

as a chemical lab technician, i can tell you that dna is acid - in a precise, chemical way.

we are a sum of our defects.

So I suppose that as a chemical lab technician you don't care about what exactly are you doing, just "mixing the reagents, like school teached me, and boss told me". Correct? I wonder why you "mad scientists" didn't manage to blow up the Earth already... But, some particular scientists were quite close to that with all those barbaric nuclear experiments...

...That what happens when people think about words themselves more than about their meanings.

Also. Defects which provided advantages are not defects. Humanity is a product of Evolution, and we are superior on this planet.

without people like me, you would still boil out willow bark to cure your headache (and puke afterwards).


a genetic defect maybe useful - but still, its a defect. too weak masticatory muscles could also have lead to our death by starvation.

I think that without "mad scientists" it would just require more time to reach current technological level, and nuclear bomb would never exploded within Earth atmosphere or underground or underwater. It would be tested elswhere.

Look around. Did humanity die? No. Something useful is not a defect. I think you should call it "an anomaly", if you don't want to call useful defect "an advantage".

Modifié par Seival, 07 novembre 2012 - 09:55 .

[EnvyTB075]

I redact my previous assessment and put forth a new one.

ITT: Seival going full retard.

[Dr_Extrem]

Seival wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

Seival wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

while reading your last post, i think i had a stroke.


well we are the "apex race", because of two genetic defects.

the first is a muscle defect, who slowly moved our thumb into the position, where it is now

th second is a muscle defect, who caused our masticatory muscle degenerate - this led to our hightened skull volume, increasing brain matter.

as a chemical lab technician, i can tell you that dna is acid - in a precise, chemical way.

we are a sum of our defects.

So I suppose that as a chemical lab technician you don't care about what exactly are you doing, just "mixing the reagents, like school teached me, and boss told me". Correct? I wonder why you "mad scientists" didn't manage to blow up the Earth already... But, some particular scientists were quite close to that with all those barbaric nuclear experiments...

...That what happens when people think about words themselves more than about their meanings.

Also. Defects which provided advantages are not defects. Humanity is a product of Evolution, and we are superior on this planet.

without people like me, you would still boil out willow bark to cure your headache (and puke afterwards).


a genetic defect maybe useful - but still, its a defect. too weak masticatory muscles could also have lead to our death by starvation.

I think that without "mad scientists" it would just require more time to reach current technological level, and nuclear bomb would never exploded within Earth atmosphere or underground or underwater. It would be tested elswhere.

Look around. Did humanity die? No. Something useful is not a defect. I think you should call it "an anomaly", if you don't want to call useful defect "an advantage".

well geneticists say they are defects - it fits the discription of a defect - and we all have them.

are you a geneticists or at least a scientist? if not, stop talking about things you dont understand .. its ridiculous.

[Seival]

Redbelle wrote...

Seival wrote...

Redbelle wrote...

Seival wrote...

Redbelle wrote...

You know. A man once held up an apple and said. "What is this?"

"It's an apple". Said the other man.

The man with the apple looked disappointed. "That is what you call it. But what it is, is this." And with that he ate it.

The other man looked on till he finished and asked. "Can I have an apple too"? The other man gave him an apple. Before he took a bite however the other man smiled. "I am glad you also think this is an apple as well".

Which only proves that "what" is just a word which helps you to categorise an object, nothing more.

Any object with a meaning (and active involvement in some events of course) can be called a "rule" for those events.

Fine, next time you ask for an apple I'll throw paint.

Cause dem der rules now. YAY!

As Popeye once said. "I am what I am what I am what I am"

And that is a quite precise explanation of why some people didn't manage to understand ME3 ending. A confusion caused by shock of knowing the truth in the end.

What we saw was not truth, but an interpretation of truth, in a mutilated form

What we saw in game is the truth within the game, unless the game itself states clearly that it shows lie. The endings have no indication of lies. So you are free to discuss them as they are.

[Applepie_Svk]

Seival wrote...

I think that without "mad scientists" it would just require more time to reach current technological level, and nuclear bomb would never exploded within Earth atmosphere or underground or underwater. It would be tested elswhere.

Look around. Did humanity die? No. Something useful is not a defect. I think you should call it "an anomaly", if you don't want to call useful defect "an advantage".

So you are calling Eintstein and Project Manhattan full of mad sciencists? 

Whoa... did you even read Enstein´s list to president with full of regret that he ever gave his help in this matter?

As the realization of nuclear weapons grew near, Einstein looked beyond the current war to future problems that such weapons could bring. He wrote to physicist Niels Bohr in December 1944, "when the war is over, then there will be in all countries a pursuit of secret war preparations with technological means which will lead inevitably to preventative wars and to destruction even more terrible than the present destruction of life."


In November 1954, five months before his death, Einstein summarized his feelings about his role in the creation of the atomic bomb: "I made one great mistake in my life... when I signed the letter to President Roosevelt recommending that atom bombs be made; but there was some justification - the danger that the Germans would make them."

Modifié par Applepie_Svk, 07 novembre 2012 - 10:05 .

[Seival]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

Seival wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

Seival wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

while reading your last post, i think i had a stroke.


well we are the "apex race", because of two genetic defects.

the first is a muscle defect, who slowly moved our thumb into the position, where it is now

th second is a muscle defect, who caused our masticatory muscle degenerate - this led to our hightened skull volume, increasing brain matter.

as a chemical lab technician, i can tell you that dna is acid - in a precise, chemical way.

we are a sum of our defects.

So I suppose that as a chemical lab technician you don't care about what exactly are you doing, just "mixing the reagents, like school teached me, and boss told me". Correct? I wonder why you "mad scientists" didn't manage to blow up the Earth already... But, some particular scientists were quite close to that with all those barbaric nuclear experiments...

...That what happens when people think about words themselves more than about their meanings.

Also. Defects which provided advantages are not defects. Humanity is a product of Evolution, and we are superior on this planet.

without people like me, you would still boil out willow bark to cure your headache (and puke afterwards).


a genetic defect maybe useful - but still, its a defect. too weak masticatory muscles could also have lead to our death by starvation.

I think that without "mad scientists" it would just require more time to reach current technological level, and nuclear bomb would never exploded within Earth atmosphere or underground or underwater. It would be tested elswhere.

Look around. Did humanity die? No. Something useful is not a defect. I think you should call it "an anomaly", if you don't want to call useful defect "an advantage".

well geneticists say they are defects - it fits the discription of a defect - and we all have them.

are you a geneticists or at least a scientist? if not, stop talking about things you dont understand .. its ridiculous.

I don't have to be a writer to talk about ME Story, and I don't have to be a scientist to talk about Evolution...

...I can see and analize what I see and hear around. Something benefitial can't be called "defect". A feature - yes, an anomaly - yes, but not a defect.

[Redbelle]

Seival wrote...

Redbelle wrote...

Seival wrote...

Redbelle wrote...

Seival wrote...

Redbelle wrote...

You know. A man once held up an apple and said. "What is this?"

"It's an apple". Said the other man.

The man with the apple looked disappointed. "That is what you call it. But what it is, is this." And with that he ate it.

The other man looked on till he finished and asked. "Can I have an apple too"? The other man gave him an apple. Before he took a bite however the other man smiled. "I am glad you also think this is an apple as well".

Which only proves that "what" is just a word which helps you to categorise an object, nothing more.

Any object with a meaning (and active involvement in some events of course) can be called a "rule" for those events.

Fine, next time you ask for an apple I'll throw paint.

Cause dem der rules now. YAY!

As Popeye once said. "I am what I am what I am what I am"

And that is a quite precise explanation of why some people didn't manage to understand ME3 ending. A confusion caused by shock of knowing the truth in the end.

What we saw was not truth, but an interpretation of truth, in a mutilated form

What we saw in game is the truth within the game, unless the game itself states clearly that it shows lie. The endings have no indication of lies. So you are free to discuss them as they are.

So you admit that what we witnessed was a lie told by the catalyst to try and manipulate another to violate the forms of every living and non living form in creation to conform to it's programmed sensibilities of what life ought to be like.

[HellbirdIV]

Seival wrote...

I don't have to be a writer to talk about ME Story, and I don't have to be a scientist to talk about Evolution...

Which would go a long way to explaining how you completley fail to understand both.

[Tritium315]

Anyone who actually understands basic logic and/or who dislikes it when stories contain massive retcons would hate this ending.

[Redbelle]

Seival wrote...

I don't have to be a writer to talk about ME Story, and I don't have to be a scientist to talk about Evolution...

...I can see and analize what I see and hear around. Something benefitial can't be called "defect". A feature - yes, an anomaly - yes, but not a defect.

If only your idea's weren't based on a flawed premise they might actually be discussed rather than rejected.

Modifié par Redbelle, 07 novembre 2012 - 10:14 .

[Dr_Extrem]

Seival wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

Seival wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

Seival wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

while reading your last post, i think i had a stroke.


well we are the "apex race", because of two genetic defects.

the first is a muscle defect, who slowly moved our thumb into the position, where it is now

th second is a muscle defect, who caused our masticatory muscle degenerate - this led to our hightened skull volume, increasing brain matter.

as a chemical lab technician, i can tell you that dna is acid - in a precise, chemical way.

we are a sum of our defects.

So I suppose that as a chemical lab technician you don't care about what exactly are you doing, just "mixing the reagents, like school teached me, and boss told me". Correct? I wonder why you "mad scientists" didn't manage to blow up the Earth already... But, some particular scientists were quite close to that with all those barbaric nuclear experiments...

...That what happens when people think about words themselves more than about their meanings.

Also. Defects which provided advantages are not defects. Humanity is a product of Evolution, and we are superior on this planet.

without people like me, you would still boil out willow bark to cure your headache (and puke afterwards).


a genetic defect maybe useful - but still, its a defect. too weak masticatory muscles could also have lead to our death by starvation.

I think that without "mad scientists" it would just require more time to reach current technological level, and nuclear bomb would never exploded within Earth atmosphere or underground or underwater. It would be tested elswhere.

Look around. Did humanity die? No. Something useful is not a defect. I think you should call it "an anomaly", if you don't want to call useful defect "an advantage".

well geneticists say they are defects - it fits the discription of a defect - and we all have them.

are you a geneticists or at least a scientist? if not, stop talking about things you dont understand .. its ridiculous.

I don't have to be a writer to talk about ME Story, and I don't have to be a scientist to talk about Evolution...

...I can see and analize what I see and hear around. Something benefitial can't be called "defect". A feature - yes, an anomaly - yes, but not a defect.

i give up ...

look .. it is obvous, that you dont know anything about genetics and genetic defects and you dont know anything about hte basic rules of how to write a story.

[M Hedonist]

Seival wrote...

I don't have to be a writer to talk about ME Story, and I don't have to be a scientist to talk about Evolution...

You don't have to be a scientist, you only have to know about Evolution - which clearly, you don't, at all.

...I can see and analize what I see and hear around. Something benefitial can't be called "defect". A feature - yes, an anomaly - yes, but not a defect.

That is literally what they are called! DEFECT! BECAUSE THEY WERE MUSCLE GROWTH ERRORS THAT TURNED OUT TO BE BENEFICIAL IN THE LONG RUN!
Do you even understand what we are talking about? If your muscles don't grow properly, that most likely means you're terribly, terribly sick!

[Seival]

Paulomedi wrote...

Applepie_Svk wrote...

Seival wrote...

I think that without "mad scientists" it would just require more time to reach current technological level, and nuclear bomb would never exploded within Earth atmosphere or underground or underwater. It would be tested elswhere.

Look around. Did humanity die? No. Something useful is not a defect. I think you should call it "an anomaly", if you don't want to call useful defect "an advantage".

So you are calling Eintstein and Project Manhattan full of mad sciencists? 

Whoa... did you even read Enstein´s list to president with full of regret that he ever gave his help in this matter?

Interesting enough, there was a thread comparing the WW2 with ME3, regarding the construction of the atomic bomb.

So, my lads, it begs the question: If the atomic bomb could "synthetise" or "control" everyone in Japan, would it still be ethical to drop it?

This analogy is completely incorrect. Japan is not an overpowered tool developed to perform some important task of planetary scale, and not the entire humanity as well.

[M Hedonist]

It's like we're giving Seival Biology 101, but he still simply refuses to understand!

[N7Gold]

Redbelle wrote...

Seival wrote...

Redbelle wrote...

Seival wrote...

Redbelle wrote...

Seival wrote...

Redbelle wrote...

You know. A man once held up an apple and said. "What is this?"

"It's an apple". Said the other man.

The man with the apple looked disappointed. "That is what you call it. But what it is, is this." And with that he ate it.

The other man looked on till he finished and asked. "Can I have an apple too"? The other man gave him an apple. Before he took a bite however the other man smiled. "I am glad you also think this is an apple as well".

Which only proves that "what" is just a word which helps you to categorise an object, nothing more.

Any object with a meaning (and active involvement in some events of course) can be called a "rule" for those events.

Fine, next time you ask for an apple I'll throw paint.

Cause dem der rules now. YAY!

As Popeye once said. "I am what I am what I am what I am"

And that is a quite precise explanation of why some people didn't manage to understand ME3 ending. A confusion caused by shock of knowing the truth in the end.

What we saw was not truth, but an interpretation of truth, in a mutilated form

What we saw in game is the truth within the game, unless the game itself states clearly that it shows lie. The endings have no indication of lies. So you are free to discuss them as they are.

So you admit that what we witnessed was a lie told by the catalyst to try and manipulate another to violate the forms of every living and non living form in creation to conform to it's programmed sensibilities of what life ought to be like.

Its kinda like that Architect character from Matrix Reloaded, he experienced the same problems as the Catalyst, who was searching for the ideal goal. The Architect tried but couldn't create the perfect Matrix, the closest verison he could create was the beta version that gives humans the power of choice, even if they aren't aware of the long term consequences of their choices. He used that as an advantage to manipulate Neo onto choosing the door which does not lead to Zion's victory, but to using Neo's power to save the Matrix from shutting down. The Catalyst couldn't "force" the solution himself, so he needs to manipulate an organic like Shepard into choosing the ideal solution, knowing Shepard isn't aware of the long term consequences of the choices the Crucible offers.

[Chaotic-Fusion]

@Seival
Maybe something like this could help:
www.amazon.com/Genetics-Dummies-Math-Science/dp/0470551747/ref=sr_1_1

www.amazon.com/Evolution-Dummies-Greg-Krukonis-PhD/dp/0470117737/ref=sr_1_1

Right now you're embarrassing yourself and synthesis supporters in general. Please stop and think before you type.

[Seival]

Sauruz wrote...

Seival wrote...

I don't have to be a writer to talk about ME Story, and I don't have to be a scientist to talk about Evolution...

You don't have to be a scientist, you only have to know about Evolution - which clearly, you don't, at all.

...I can see and analize what I see and hear around. Something benefitial can't be called "defect". A feature - yes, an anomaly - yes, but not a defect.

That is literally what they are called! DEFECT! BECAUSE THEY WERE MUSCLE GROWTH ERRORS THAT TURNED OUT TO BE BENEFICIAL IN THE LONG RUN!
Do you even understand what we are talking about? If your muscles don't grow properly, that most likely means you're terribly, terribly sick!

You clearly can't just look around and see that only Humans are superior on the Earth. Everything that brought us to this stage was an advantage...

...No other beings on this planet were so successful. Which proves that Evolution's destination is the end of diversity.

Modifié par Seival, 07 novembre 2012 - 10:28 .

[Maimh]

Seival wrote...

Sauruz wrote...

Seival wrote...

I don't have to be a writer to talk about ME Story, and I don't have to be a scientist to talk about Evolution...

You don't have to be a scientist, you only have to know about Evolution - which clearly, you don't, at all.

...I can see and analize what I see and hear around. Something benefitial can't be called "defect". A feature - yes, an anomaly - yes, but not a defect.

That is literally what they are called! DEFECT! BECAUSE THEY WERE MUSCLE GROWTH ERRORS THAT TURNED OUT TO BE BENEFICIAL IN THE LONG RUN!
Do you even understand what we are talking about? If your muscles don't grow properly, that most likely means you're terribly, terribly sick!

You clearly can't just look around and see that only Humans are superior on the Earth. Everything that brought us to this stage was an advantage...

...No other beings on this planet were so successful. Which proves that Evolution's destination is the end of diversity.

.....Actually the reason why humanity is successful is our ability to adapt. Diversity is the very key to our survival. Without diversity a race will stagnate and die out.

[M Hedonist]

No.
Evolution simply does not work that way. Nevermind how often you say "x proves y", whereas x and y are two completely unrelated things.
I...
I mean... did you ever... hear of Ecological Niches?
Oh, who am I asking...

[Dr_Extrem]

Seival wrote...

Sauruz wrote...

Seival wrote...

I don't have to be a writer to talk about ME Story, and I don't have to be a scientist to talk about Evolution...

You don't have to be a scientist, you only have to know about Evolution - which clearly, you don't, at all.

...I can see and analize what I see and hear around. Something benefitial can't be called "defect". A feature - yes, an anomaly - yes, but not a defect.

That is literally what they are called! DEFECT! BECAUSE THEY WERE MUSCLE GROWTH ERRORS THAT TURNED OUT TO BE BENEFICIAL IN THE LONG RUN!
Do you even understand what we are talking about? If your muscles don't grow properly, that most likely means you're terribly, terribly sick!

You clearly can't just look around and see that only Humans are superior on the Earth. Everything that brought us to this stage was an advantage...

...No other beings on this planet were so successful. Which proves that Evolution's destination is the end of diversity.

success is relative ...