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Seival, let me present you someone with very similar beliefs:
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"The unity will bring about the master race. [...] As long as there are differences, we will tear ourselves apart fighting each other. We need one race! One goal! One people... to move forward to our destiny."
Upon being asked "You mean to change all the others into mutants, as well":
"All that resist, yes. All those that are required for the Unity as well. The remainder will be allowed to live out their days, but under Unity control and protection."
Reservations, anyone?
Oh, wait... he later realizes his plans were madness.
"It was madness. I can see that now."

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Maimh wrote...

Seival wrote...

Archonsg wrote...

Seival wrote...

Sauruz wrote...

Seival wrote...

I don't have to be a writer to talk about ME Story, and I don't have to be a scientist to talk about Evolution...

You don't have to be a scientist, you only have to know about Evolution - which clearly, you don't, at all.





...I can see and analize what I see and hear around. Something benefitial can't be called "defect". A feature - yes, an anomaly - yes, but not a defect.


That is literally what they are called! DEFECT! BECAUSE THEY WERE MUSCLE GROWTH ERRORS THAT TURNED OUT TO BE BENEFICIAL IN THE LONG RUN!
Do you even understand what we are talking about? If your muscles don't grow properly, that most likely means you're terribly, terribly sick!


You clearly can't just look around and see that only Humans are superior on the Earth. Everything that brought us to this stage was an advantage...

...No other beings on this planet were so successful. Which proves that Evolution's destination is the end of diversity.


Perspective is such a wonderful thing.
Allow me to introduce you to E. Coli A rather elegant and "simple" in genetic terms, strain if Bacteria. It lives in us, all of us, and we are all host to it. It is also parasitic. In other words, it feeds off us. We can't get rid of it, in fact if we get rid of enough of them in our body, we'd very likely die, So perspectively speaking, who is tge more "successful", the one doing the feeding or the host unable to function without the parasite?


A human plus all beneficial bacteria inside him is one persistent entity...

...Human can't live without skin, so you will call skin more superior than human it belongs to? That's silly.


Er, no, your skin shares your own DNA, the bacteries in your innard does not. That is not a single entity, that is a symibiotic relationship.


Do you know that more than a half of human's body total weight is actually water, which of course doesn't share the human's own DNA? But still that water is the organic whole with the human...

...Air you breath, also doesn't share your own DNA. It's a part of the environment human requires to survive. Benefitial bacteria are also parts of this environment. Air/food/water human is consuming to survive, and all benefitial bacteria inside him are parts of the human, just like "body water".

This only proves that everything in the nature is deeply connected. And it doesn't disprove the assumption about Evolution's destination is the end of diversity, when someone eventually becomes superior.

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Seival wrote...

Do you know that more than a half of human's body total weight is actually water, which of course doesn't share the human's own DNA? But still that water is the organic whole with the human...



And? Your point?

Modifié par A Bethesda Fan, 08 novembre 2012 - 11:18 .


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Sauruz wrote...

Seival, let me present you someone with very similar beliefs:
Image IPB
"The unity will bring about the master race. [...] As long as there are differences, we will tear ourselves apart fighting each other. We need one race! One goal! One people... to move forward to our destiny."
Upon being asked "You mean to change all the others into mutants, as well":
"All that resist, yes. All those that are required for the Unity as well. The remainder will be allowed to live out their days, but under Unity control and protection."
Reservations, anyone?
Oh, wait... he later realizes his plans were madness.
"It was madness. I can see that now."


Uplift everyone without any violence involved = Nice Idea.
Uplift everyone with violence involved = Bad Idea.
Uplift some particular race by killing everyone else = Insane Idea.

Modifié par Seival, 08 novembre 2012 - 11:42 .


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A Bethesda Fan wrote...

Seival wrote...

Do you know that more than a half of human's body total weight is actually water, which of course doesn't share the human's own DNA? But still that water is the organic whole with the human...



And? Your point?


My point is inside the part of my reply, which you removed from the quote.

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Seival wrote...

Maimh wrote...

Seival wrote...

Sauruz wrote...

Seival wrote...

I don't have to be a writer to talk about ME Story, and I don't have to be a scientist to talk about Evolution...

You don't have to be a scientist, you only have to know about Evolution - which clearly, you don't, at all.






...I can see and analize what I see and hear around. Something benefitial can't be called "defect". A feature - yes, an anomaly - yes, but not a defect.


That is literally what they are called! DEFECT! BECAUSE THEY WERE MUSCLE GROWTH ERRORS THAT TURNED OUT TO BE BENEFICIAL IN THE LONG RUN!
Do you even understand what we are talking about? If your muscles don't grow properly, that most likely means you're terribly, terribly sick!


You clearly can't just look around and see that only Humans are superior on the Earth. Everything that brought us to this stage was an advantage...

...No other beings on this planet were so successful. Which proves that Evolution's destination is the end of diversity.



.....Actually the reason why humanity is successful is our ability to adapt. Diversity is the very key to our survival. Without diversity a race will stagnate and die out.


Diversity is the very key to survival only on early stages of evolution, like I already said.

Modern humanity has no natural competitors anymore. We are competitors to ourselves, so early stage rules are not working for us anymore. And please, don't tell me that different skin color is a "diversity". We are all just humans. And we are superior on this planet.


I honestly couldn't believe what I read here.

Seival, are you saying that Diversity is a bad thing? That's it now, we don't need it anymore? Seriously? There have been many ignorant things said on this thread (and these forums) but Jesus Christ.

And who are you to say Diversity is only the key to survival in early stages of evolution? We ARE still evolving. In more ways than you can fathom in all probability. Diversity is still everywhere and plays an important role.

Look at genetics: I agree that all races are pretty much equal and should be treated as such, that doesn't make us all exactly the same. Sickle cell disease primarily affects people of african decent (or places where malaria were rampant), Type 2 diabetes is more prominent in people of Scandinavian decent. Why? Genetics. And genetic diversity means people of other gentic decent will be less likely to be affected. There are many more examples too. If we were all the same, as someone else said, these things would be much more rampant.

And as for beliefs and ideals etc: if we all had the same belief's and ideas, then there would be no variety, we would stagnate and all head down the same path. What do we really learn there? Diversity allows for differences and learning from them.

Diversity is a good thing. It's only when it is used as a basis for hate that there are problems, but that is down to the people.

When people and creatures of all different backgrounds, and diversities if you will, pool and work together, that is when we overcome the greatest challanges.

Wait a minute, wasn't THAT the major theme from the first two ME games??? Holy poop, if only we had realised this before, then we could have informed Bioware to carry this theme through to the end of the series! This would have given us an overall story arc that made sense and was actually satisfying! Image IPB

Shame we were too slow on the uptake there as well, those themes resonated pretty well in todays world, were diversity is used to push unethical agendas.

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The water isn't sitting there like a huge puddle inside us, it is in our cells and blood and other bodily fluids that do contain our DNA. Water may account for a large portion of body weight, but without it we'd be a dessicated pile of dry chemicals.

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For someone who think he's analizing something you're quite blind Seival. And you dare to tell people that they fail to analize? You know - just because you think something is true, doesn't make it true.

I've seen not a bit of you analizing something said here. It's just you saying "I'm right.". You don't even question the sh*t you wrote here.

Wow, just wow. A pure one-track-minder, not able to look what's left and right.

If you're plan was to convince people that there is something good in the ME3 endings - you failed and made yourself an idiot. Plain and simple.
All you've shown is that some racist moron can really enjoy the endings by your interpretation (let's hope they're still stuck with the black/white/yellow-thing).

Was that your intention?

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Seival wrote...

A Bethesda Fan wrote...

Seival wrote...

Do you know that more than a half of human's body total weight is actually water, which of course doesn't share the human's own DNA? But still that water is the organic whole with the human...



And? Your point?


My point is inside the part of my reply, which you removed from the quote.


Then it's not much of a point at all, I must have removed it because it was a waste of pixels.
But alas, your theory is far fetched and based on no evidence or indication.

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Seival wrote...

Maimh wrote...

Seival wrote...

Archonsg wrote...

Seival wrote...

Sauruz wrote...

Seival wrote...

I don't have to be a writer to talk about ME Story, and I don't have to be a scientist to talk about Evolution...

You don't have to be a scientist, you only have to know about Evolution - which clearly, you don't, at all.





...I can see and analize what I see and hear around. Something benefitial can't be called "defect". A feature - yes, an anomaly - yes, but not a defect.


That is literally what they are called! DEFECT! BECAUSE THEY WERE MUSCLE GROWTH ERRORS THAT TURNED OUT TO BE BENEFICIAL IN THE LONG RUN!
Do you even understand what we are talking about? If your muscles don't grow properly, that most likely means you're terribly, terribly sick!


You clearly can't just look around and see that only Humans are superior on the Earth. Everything that brought us to this stage was an advantage...

...No other beings on this planet were so successful. Which proves that Evolution's destination is the end of diversity.


Perspective is such a wonderful thing.
Allow me to introduce you to E. Coli A rather elegant and "simple" in genetic terms, strain if Bacteria. It lives in us, all of us, and we are all host to it. It is also parasitic. In other words, it feeds off us. We can't get rid of it, in fact if we get rid of enough of them in our body, we'd very likely die, So perspectively speaking, who is tge more "successful", the one doing the feeding or the host unable to function without the parasite?


A human plus all beneficial bacteria inside him is one persistent entity...

...Human can't live without skin, so you will call skin more superior than human it belongs to? That's silly.


Er, no, your skin shares your own DNA, the bacteries in your innard does not. That is not a single entity, that is a symibiotic relationship.


Do you know that more than a half of human's body total weight is actually water, which of course doesn't share the human's own DNA? But still that water is the organic whole with the human...

...Air you breath, also doesn't share your own DNA. It's a part of the environment human requires to survive. Benefitial bacteria are also parts of this environment. Air/food/water human is consuming to survive, and all benefitial bacteria inside him are parts of the human, just like "body water".

This only proves that everything in the nature is deeply connected. And it doesn't disprove the assumption about Evolution's destination is the end of diversity, when someone eventually becomes superior.


water is not organic.
humans are partly water, but water is not at all human. Humans contain lots of bacteria, but the bacteria are not human. Humans have skin, and the skin cells are human cells.

Modifié par KingZayd, 08 novembre 2012 - 01:03 .


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Leem_0001 wrote...

Seival wrote...


Diversity is the very key to survival only on early stages of evolution, like I already said.

Modern humanity has no natural competitors anymore. We are competitors to ourselves, so early stage rules are not working for us anymore. And please, don't tell me that different skin color is a "diversity". We are all just humans. And we are superior on this planet.


I honestly couldn't believe what I read here.

Seival, are you saying that Diversity is a bad thing? That's it now, we don't need it anymore? Seriously? There have been many ignorant things said on this thread (and these forums) but Jesus Christ.

And who are you to say Diversity is only the key to survival in early stages of evolution? We ARE still evolving. In more ways than you can fathom in all probability. Diversity is still everywhere and plays an important role.

Look at genetics: I agree that all races are pretty much equal and should be treated as such, that doesn't make us all exactly the same. Sickle cell disease primarily affects people of african decent (or places where malaria were rampant), Type 2 diabetes is more prominent in people of Scandinavian decent. Why? Genetics. And genetic diversity means people of other gentic decent will be less likely to be affected. There are many more examples too. If we were all the same, as someone else said, these things would be much more rampant.

And as for beliefs and ideals etc: if we all had the same belief's and ideas, then there would be no variety, we would stagnate and all head down the same path. What do we really learn there? Diversity allows for differences and learning from them.

Diversity is a good thing. It's only when it is used as a basis for hate that there are problems, but that is down to the people.

When people and creatures of all different backgrounds, and diversities if you will, pool and work together, that is when we overcome the greatest challanges.

Wait a minute, wasn't THAT the major theme from the first two ME games??? Holy poop, if only we had realised this before, then we could have informed Bioware to carry this theme through to the end of the series! This would have given us an overall story arc that made sense and was actually satisfying! Image IPB

Shame we were too slow on the uptake there as well, those themes resonated pretty well in todays world, were diversity is used to push unethical agendas.


One of the most ignorant things said by the OP ever.  Diversity is the key as is evolution to maintaining a vibrant existence for any species.  Examine the cheetah as well as studies into DNA similarity and the problems.  In fact, scientists have determined that even now a lot more change is going on within humans than they at first thought.  Similarity and evolutionary stagnation destroys species.

Seival, superior, now really?  So much of your posts now make me feel you'd be completely at home in control of some master race, so I can see why control suits you as well as why synthesis does.  That's messed up.  You have a total misunderstanding of the world.  The fact that we as humans are extremely capable of exterminating each other in any one of a multitude of ways without often maturely facing such things head on and trying to repudiate that ability, indicates a singular lack of total superiority.  Consider the lillies of the field, how they grow; they toil neither do they spin.  Ok, yes I just quoted the Bible and I'm sorry to do that here-this isn't about religion but is about the idea that we as humans are arrogant.  Whose the superior one here-my cat who lazes around and gets fed and housed by me or me, running around trying to earn money to get that food and housing?

And when we divide ourselves (as we always do) into whatever category we believe we belong to, we show our lack of superiority.  In fact, it's our inability to embrace our diversity and the often expressed belief that everyone should act and think just as "we" do that dashes any idea of our superiority and you have done just that here.

Read real stuff, Seival.  Crawl out of your cave and read.  Diversity is essential or we will die off long before some random asteroid hits us or the sun gives out.  Superiority comes from recognizing and appreciating that diversity.  And, no it's not about color although that is important as it is used by many to divide us.  We are more alike than we are different, but difference of consequence does exist within us and mutation and evolutionary alteration is persistant.  It is perhaps even more rampant today than it was in the recent past, because for the most part we don't go through a weeding out process as a society.  To be sure, some societies still do this, but it's not as persistant as it used to be.  And in many societies it is no longer survival of the fittest, adversity's way of creating evolution, but it is adapting to new things.

We need diversity and evolution.  Take a look just at sickle cell trait and malaria.  The trait doesn't always lead to sickle cell anemia, but can lead to protection against malaria.  As our lives change and our realities change, such things also adapt within us, to handle that.  And scientists are finding proof of that all over the place. 

The OP wants us all to adopt a WWII mentality apparently where diversity, unity, and self-determination are all thrown out of the galaxy.  I think that's why he agrees with the writers of ME3's endings, because they did that as well.  However, the game prior to all of that was about strength through diversity. 

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Seival wrote...

Sauruz wrote...

Seival, let me present you someone with very similar beliefs:
Image IPB
"The unity will bring about the master race. [...] As long as there are differences, we will tear ourselves apart fighting each other. We need one race! One goal! One people... to move forward to our destiny."
Upon being asked "You mean to change all the others into mutants, as well":
"All that resist, yes. All those that are required for the Unity as well. The remainder will be allowed to live out their days, but under Unity control and protection."
Reservations, anyone?
Oh, wait... he later realizes his plans were madness.
"It was madness. I can see that now."


Uplift everyone without any violence involved = Nice Idea.
Uplift everyone with violence involved = Bad Idea.
Uplift some particular race by killing everyone else = Insane Idea.

At its core, the Master's plan could've been executed without violence. Just catch everyone in their sleep - use sleeping gas or something. Then just collect them and throw them in the FEV vats...
Wouldn't have made his plan any less insane, though. Nor does the little fact that super mutants happened to be sterile make it insane. The fact that he forcibly wanted to change humanity forever - to eliminate racial differences - is what made his plan insane.
Interestingly, the game even allowed you to join his "Unity"...

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KingZayd wrote...

Seival wrote...


Do you know that more than a half of human's body total weight is actually water, which of course doesn't share the human's own DNA? But still that water is the organic whole with the human...

...Air you breath, also doesn't share your own DNA. It's a part of the environment human requires to survive. Benefitial bacteria are also parts of this environment. Air/food/water human is consuming to survive, and all benefitial bacteria inside him are parts of the human, just like "body water".

This only proves that everything in the nature is deeply connected. And it doesn't disprove the assumption about Evolution's destination is the end of diversity, when someone eventually becomes superior.


water is not organic.
humans are partly water, but water is not at all human. Humans contain lots of bacteria, but the bacteria are not human. Humans have skin, and the skin cells are human cells.


Seival, water is Hydrogen and Oxygen.  Organic material is made from carbon.  In chemistry, organic means it is composed of a carbon compound.

The water within the human body does not wholly combine within the bodily structure.  It is not used necessarily as a nutrient even in the same way food is used.  Water is used to transport materials in the body.  It is used to create reactions, to dissolve material, to create pressure, to aid digestion, to cool the body.

Evolution is not about someone becoming superior-it exists to create adaptation to adversity or species' killing things that exist within the environment.  The end of evolution is the death of a species, plain and simple because the only constant thing that exists within reality is that the environment will change.  The Earth's tilt will and always is changing as one example.  Some species surpassing others does naturally occur because of better adaptability, but evolution is only concerned about each species surviving.  Man just tends to make that really hard for all species, including Man.  Evolution is about survival, not superiority.  Survival requires even more diversity or the species lacks adaptability.  Evolution also seeks to create diversity.

From wikipedia, though wikipedia is not the only source for this-heck, I learned this in grade school and junior high and high school and college.

"Evolutionary processes give rise to diversity at every level of biological organisation, including species, individual organisms and molecules such as DNA and proteins."

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 08 novembre 2012 - 03:29 .


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