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[JimTasty]

Don't you think with all the societies except Tevinter imprisoning all the mages in Circles that some mages would escape and make their way to Tevinter? I know thats what I would do in that situation but there is almost little to no examples (besides Feynriel) of mages going to Tevinter for freedom. Maybe they will explain this in DA3.

[Emzamination]

I personally thought this thread was going to be about tevinter slaves from the title.

@Topic: I would too.I never understood why mages who escape their circles stay in their nations.

[JimTasty]

ha maybe the mages that escape to Tevinter would help the elven slaves out of Tevinter? Food for thought

[Potato Cat]

Fereldans are fiercely opposed to slavery, as are elves, which probably make up at least one third of all mages, never mind escaped apostates. The ones who do escape from the Circle, little the number may also oppose slavery on a personal basis. Furthermore, Templars are actually adept at hunting mages, we only hear of cases where they aren't that successful. Many would be executed or returned to the Circle before they reach the Imperium, or wherever they want to be. They might also not want to be involved with the Tevinters. Even Anders expresses desire to live in Tevinter in DAA, but for whatever reason doesn't go there. Maybe it's difficult. And remember we haven't been to Tevinter, maybe if we actually went there, there might be more escaped mages than we are aware of, but the important ones, the magisters, would most likely be born and raised in Tevinter.

So just because mages are free there, doesn't mean all mages want to live there.

[KainD]

Feynriel went to Tevinter in my playthrough, lives and prospers.

[JimTasty]

KainD wrote...

Feynriel went to Tevinter in my playthrough, lives and prospers.

i said except feynriel

[Josielyn]

Well, Tevinter Imperium isn't perfect, after all, it sounds like there are BIGGER predators there. Why would a Coyote want to move into the Wolves' side of the forest? I have wondered if there is some kind of faction of "nice mages" in Tevinter who would smuggle out Apostates to not be sold into slavery but just because they felt a moral obligation to help those with magic persecuted in their home country.

[Emzamination]

Elfman wrote...

Fereldans are fiercely opposed to slavery, as are elves, which probably make up at least one third of all mages, never mind escaped apostates. The ones who do escape from the Circle, little the number may also oppose slavery on a personal basis. Furthermore, Templars are actually adept at hunting mages, we only hear of cases where they aren't that successful. Many would be executed or returned to the Circle before they reach the Imperium, or wherever they want to be.

Templars aren't adept at hunting mages. Mages are just really stupid.Take Da2 for example-- Both starkhaven and kirkwall had large amounts of phylacteries destroyed allowing mages to run free without pursuit, but what did they do? Each and every one of them with the exception of a few ran straight to their familys and were apprehended once again.

The mages just have no stomach for survival.If I was a mage who had just escaped the circle, the first order of business would be getting on to a ship and far out to sea.I'm not saying the templars can't requisition their own ship for pursuit but that's pretty much a death sentence on their end seeing as they can't get up close to use their nullifying powers and the mage could easily sink their ship with a conjured tempest or typhoon.

They might also not want to be involved with the Tevinters.

Then they deserve their chains. There is strength in numbers and like minded individuals with a common cause. To hell with religious indifferences when it comes down to base survival.

Even Anders expresses desire to live in Tevinter in DAA, but for whatever reason doesn't go there. Maybe it's difficult. And remember we haven't been to Tevinter, maybe if we actually went there, there might be more escaped mages than we are aware of, but the important ones, the magisters, would most likely be born and raised in Tevinter.

So just because mages are free there, doesn't mean all mages want to live there.

Anders doesn't go to tevinter because it's been hardwired in his mind that tevinter and the black divine are evil.

[JimTasty]

I wonder if some Tevinter mages or any high archons would "sell" the mages back into the custody for the profit so they could fund their war against the Qunari

[deuce985]

Emzamination wrote...

I personally thought this thread was going to be about tevinter slaves from the title.

@Topic: I would too.I never understood why mages who escape their circles stay in their nations.

Love interest? Family? Friends? Tradition? Home? Many reasons...

[Emzamination]

deuce985 wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

I personally thought this thread was going to be about tevinter slaves from the title.

@Topic: I would too.I never understood why mages who escape their circles stay in their nations.

Love interest? Family? Friends? Tradition? Home? Many reasons...

Those things mean absolutely little in the face of pursuers who intend to jail you or kill you.

If someone escapes a maximum security 'prison' they were sentenced to life in, do you think it truly wise they keep in touch with family and friends? Or should they shed the old life and start anew far far away from their troubles?

Only a fool would go for the former, imo.

Modifié par Emzamination, 04 novembre 2012 - 09:31 .

[Potato Cat]

Emzamination wrote...

Elfman wrote...

Fereldans are fiercely opposed to slavery, as are elves, which probably make up at least one third of all mages, never mind escaped apostates. The ones who do escape from the Circle, little the number may also oppose slavery on a personal basis. Furthermore, Templars are actually adept at hunting mages, we only hear of cases where they aren't that successful. Many would be executed or returned to the Circle before they reach the Imperium, or wherever they want to be.

Templars aren't adept at hunting mages. Mages are just really stupid.Take Da2 for example-- Both starkhaven and kirkwall had large amounts of phylacteries destroyed allowing mages to run free without pursuit, but what did they do? Each and every one of them with the exception of a few ran straight to their familys and were apprehended once again.

The mages just have no stomach for survival.If I was a mage who had just escaped the circle, the first order of business would be getting on to a ship and far out to sea.I'm not saying the templars can't requisition their own ship for pursuit but that's pretty much a death sentence on their end seeing as they can't get up close to use their nullifying powers and the mage could easily sink their ship with a conjured tempest or typhoon.

They might also not want to be involved with the Tevinters.

Then they deserve their chains. There is strength in numbers and like minded individuals with a common cause. To hell with religious indifferences when it comes down to base survival.

Even Anders expresses desire to live in Tevinter in DAA, but for whatever reason doesn't go there. Maybe it's difficult. And remember we haven't been to Tevinter, maybe if we actually went there, there might be more escaped mages than we are aware of, but the important ones, the magisters, would most likely be born and raised in Tevinter.

So just because mages are free there, doesn't mean all mages want to live there.

Anders doesn't go to tevinter because it's been hardwired in his mind that tevinter and the black divine are evil.

Yes, because you wouldn't want to see any friends or family, and you'd be able to board this ship with all the money you get paid with as a mage in the tower. I bet you are one of the people who plan their moves in the event of a zombie apocalypse, without considering the effects seeing your loved ones eaten and infected would have on you're mental health. You will have been apart from your family for a long time, however you feel about them, you would want to see them, or let them know you're safe.

And religion has nothing to do with it. It's about personal morals. I'm an atheist, yet I know for a fact I have my own strong moral code. And in my book, regular blood rituals involving the sacrifice of countless innocents is wrong. I don't need some deity to tell me that, and neither would these mages, who wouldn't care for seeing these acts performed openly, or the cruel treatment of slaves.

[Emzamination]

Elfman wrote...

Yes, because you wouldn't want to see any friends or family, and you'd be able to board this ship with all the money you get paid with as a mage in the tower. I bet you are one of the people who plan their moves in the event of a zombie apocalypse, without considering the effects seeing your loved ones eaten and infected would have on you're mental health. You will have been apart from your family for a long time, however you feel about them, you would want to see them, or let them know you're safe.

Sentimentality and Survival don't usually go hand and hand, Elfman.In your weakness in being unable to let go, you've quite possibly made your loved ones targets and leverage your pursurers can use to draw you out.Also I never said I'd pay to board the ship.Who needs to pay when they can summon lightning from their finger tips? That's a waste of money or did you think I'd let morals dampen my resolve when my life is on the line?

Love and family mean absolutely nothing in the face of life and freedom.

And religion has nothing to do with it. It's about personal morals. I'm an atheist, yet I know for a fact I have my own strong moral code. And in my book, regular blood rituals involving the sacrifice of countless innocents is wrong. I don't need some deity to tell me that, and neither would these mages, who wouldn't care for seeing these acts performed openly, or the cruel treatment of slaves.

/exasperated sigh

In a live or die situation, morals go out the window.

I hope you're never in a situation where you're responsible for people's lives.

On a side note: During a zombie apocalypse weakness like yours trying to
save everyone still breathing, man, woman and child instead of sealing
the doors and battering the hatches would just get everyone in your group killed with
the high likelyhood that you let in some ***** too scared of death to
mention they might be infected.

Your weakness, petty morals and inability to do what must be done for survival just proves how much those mages deserve their chains,  Elfman.

Modifié par Emzamination, 04 novembre 2012 - 09:47 .

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

IIRC, the Tevinters enforce a system basically identical to the Chantry-run Circles, except that the priests are the very strongest and most ruthless mages instead of mundanes. They aren't interested in accepting huge numbers of refugees from the White Chantry's system, and they certainly don't try to be better for the average mage than the non-mage run chantries.

In fact, in at least one way the average mage is worse off: if memory serves the Tevinter Templars can't do that anti-magic thing. The White Chantry makes use of it to enforce an unjust system, but when a mage of moderate to low power sees an abomination form, they at least have the templars to protect them. And while I've heard questions about how useful they are in that regard, how much more useless would they be if they didn't have their anti-magic?

[Potato Cat]

My weakness? Wow. And I thought Morrigan was a fictional character.

And to be honest, I hope you haven't been responsible for the lives of others. By the sounds of it, you'd murder them in a heartbeat if it meant you had the tiniest chance of survival. But I meant that they might just oppose what Tevinter Magisters do, which many people would, so would not even think about going there when there are other options available, like Rivain, where some mages live freely and help the community, and in return are protected. And with the event of their phylactery destroyed, they could feasibly live anywhere, provided they don't parade their magic openly in the street.

And in the event of a zombie apocalypse, I know that I, like many people, would kill myself rather than suffer  or become infected or see my loved ones become infected. Those that don't would be killed or go insane from the horrors you would witness, it wouldn't be like the films at all.  But that's not the point. The point is, it's not weakness to know one's limits, or to have some healthy form of emotion towards another, (besides the hate which makes my hair so perfect . If anything that's my weakness, my beautiful hair.).

[Shadow Fox]

Nice to see Emzamination is still her usual judgemental ,extremist and possibly psychotic self.

[Emzamination]

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Nice to see Emzamination is still her usual judgemental ,extremist and possibly psychotic self.

<3 

[JimTasty]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

IIRC, the Tevinters enforce a system basically identical to the Chantry-run Circles, except that the priests are the very strongest and most ruthless mages instead of mundanes. They aren't interested in accepting huge numbers of refugees from the White Chantry's system, and they certainly don't try to be better for the average mage than the non-mage run chantries.

In fact, in at least one way the average mage is worse off: if memory serves the Tevinter Templars can't do that anti-magic thing. The White Chantry makes use of it to enforce an unjust system, but when a mage of moderate to low power sees an abomination form, they at least have the templars to protect them. And while I've heard questions about how useful they are in that regard, how much more useless would they be if they didn't have their anti-magic?

I believe they have their own templars in tevinter

[Shadow Fox]

JimTasty wrote...

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

IIRC, the Tevinters enforce a system basically identical to the Chantry-run Circles, except that the priests are the very strongest and most ruthless mages instead of mundanes. They aren't interested in accepting huge numbers of refugees from the White Chantry's system, and they certainly don't try to be better for the average mage than the non-mage run chantries.

In fact, in at least one way the average mage is worse off: if memory serves the Tevinter Templars can't do that anti-magic thing. The White Chantry makes use of it to enforce an unjust system, but when a mage of moderate to low power sees an abomination form, they at least have the templars to protect them. And while I've heard questions about how useful they are in that regard, how much more useless would they be if they didn't have their anti-magic?

I believe they have their own templars in tevinter

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Emzamination wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Nice to see Emzamination is still her usual judgemental ,extremist and possibly psychotic self.

<3 

When I first met her, she was extremist in favor of the templars. Maybe she just enjoys creeping everyone out?

[Emzamination]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Nice to see Emzamination is still her usual judgemental ,extremist and possibly psychotic self.

<3 

When I first met her, she was extremist in favor of the templars. Maybe she just enjoys creeping everyone out?

I've always been in favor of templars, that will never change

I'm just merely offering my viewpoint from the other side of the tracks

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Emzamination wrote...

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Nice to see Emzamination is still her usual judgemental ,extremist and possibly psychotic self.

<3 

When I first met her, she was extremist in favor of the templars. Maybe she just enjoys creeping everyone out?

I've always been in favor of templars, that will never change

I'm just merely offering my viewpoint from the other side of the tracks

And you have a scary one. Why do I find this unsurprising?

[Shadow Fox]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Nice to see Emzamination is still her usual judgemental ,extremist and possibly psychotic self.

<3 

When I first met her, she was extremist in favor of the templars. Maybe she just enjoys creeping everyone out?

Well boys sounds like we got ourselves a troll here.

[Shadow Fox]

Emzamination wrote...

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Nice to see Emzamination is still her usual judgemental ,extremist and possibly psychotic self.

<3 

When I first met her, she was extremist in favor of the templars. Maybe she just enjoys creeping everyone out?

I've always been in favor of templars, that will never change

I'm just merely offering my viewpoint from the other side of the tracks

...Maybe not.

[Emzamination]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Nice to see Emzamination is still her usual judgemental ,extremist and possibly psychotic self.

<3 

When I first met her, she was extremist in favor of the templars. Maybe she just enjoys creeping everyone out?

I've always been in favor of templars, that will never change

I'm just merely offering my viewpoint from the other side of the tracks

And you have a scary one. Why do I find this unsurprising?

Cause that's just how I role.... play