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[Chaos Lord Malek]

BouncyFrag wrote...

p.s. whenever I encounter the same voice actor in other video games (most notably in the Mass Effect games), I pretend it is Loghain for added epicness.

You don't know the voice actor of Loghain? What kind of heresy is this! You don't know the awesome, magnificient and best voice actor of all times - the Simon *Godlike* Templeman !?!?!


  - Learn and repent, imidietely !

[KingRoxas]

samgurl775 wrote...

Agreed, and I want to see Queen Anora.

and King Cousland 

[Ulathar]

Kingroxas wrote...

samgurl775 wrote...

Agreed, and I want to see Queen Anora.

and King Cousland 

Yes, this! However, with changing the engine and because of that most likely the character creator, I doubt we'd actually *see* one of our previous characters ingame. Anora could certainly talk about how King Cousland is doing and what's been happening in Ferelden lately.

As for Loghain, I would really like meeting him again. Perhaps, as has been mentioned in this thread before, as Commander of a small group of Wardens. Of course he'd also have to talk about how he likes/liked being in Orlais, I'm sure he'd have some nice comments about that.

[PorcelynDoll]

Oh yes please. I love Loghain. I've adored him since before DA:O was released and we just had a trailer. I save him in 2 of my 3 cannons. Anora I could do without. I was really annoyed I couldn't have her head lopped off.
In awakening he said he was reassigned to Orlais. I'd take him any day over Cullen.

[sylvanaerie]

He's dead in all but one of my games, because I hate the bastard, but for those who kept him alive a cameo not affecting the main game would be a nice 'nod' to the old general.

I believe I read though that the older the grey warden is the faster the taint moves through them. So Loghain would probably be on his way to his Calling if he survived till the events in DA3 and we did see him. Come to think of it...that would make an interesting side quest...

Plus, I don't want every DA game to be a 'who's who' of Thedas where we encounter every previous companion and their little dog too.

[Doctoglethorpe]

sylvanaerie wrote...
Plus, I don't want every DA game to be a 'who's who' of Thedas where we encounter every previous companion and their little dog too.

Well said.

People need to learn to accept when characters have finished playing their roles and need to be left at rest.  You start trying to appease everyone by tossing their favorite character into unnessisary roles for the sake of giving them some spotlight and you end up with Star Wars' Clone Wars cartoons. 

[Quill74Pen]

JimTasty wrote...

If you read the Stolen Throne and The Calling your perspective of him will change greatly.

I've read both novels and, no, my opinion of him really hasn't changed. He has died in all but one of my playthroughs, and that playthrough was for metagaming purposes only. (I wanted to see his commentary in the "Return to Ostgar" DLC.)

I continue to view Loghain as a once-great man whose downfall damn near put Feraldan under the darkspawn boot.

[Doctoglethorpe]

Quill74Pen wrote...

JimTasty wrote...

If you read the Stolen Throne and The Calling your perspective of him will change greatly.

I've read both novels and, no, my opinion of him really hasn't changed. He has died in all but one of my playthroughs, and that playthrough was for metagaming purposes only. (I wanted to see his commentary in the "Return to Ostgar" DLC.)

I continue to view Loghain as a once-great man whose downfall damn near put Feraldan under the darkspawn boot.

I hardly even see him as a "once great man." 

He was vital in Fereldan's independance, yes.  But his method of achieving that importance made me hate him.  For much of the first book I actually warmed up to liking him more, to an extent at least.  But the ending of Stolen Throne got ****ing depressing as hell and mostly at his fault.  I can understand why he did what he did, I can understand even that it was probably nessisary to do it.  But that doesn't mean I have to like it or say I would of even could of doen the same.  He's a cold ruthless bastard to the bone and by the time DAO takes place its obvious he's completely insane with his paranoia and nationalism.  He diserved death greatly.  Before I read the books I thought Alistar was being an unreasonable crybaby when I conscripted Loghain, but now I see he's completely right.  **** Loghain. 

[Sacred_Fantasy]

The only Warden Commander in my book is my Orlesian Warden Commander from Awakening. And he has return to Orlais never to be seen again.

[Doctoglethorpe]

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...

The only Warden Commander in my book is my Orlesian Warden Commander from Awakening. And he has return to Orlais never to be seen again.

You of course mean the dalish warden commander from Origins AND Awakening who disappeared during his search for the witch of the wilds some years later, never to be seen again. 

[Sacred_Fantasy]

Doctor Moustache wrote...

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...

The only Warden Commander in my book is my Orlesian Warden Commander from Awakening. And he has return to Orlais never to be seen again.

You of course mean the dalish warden commander from Origins AND Awakening who disappeared during his search for the witch of the wilds some years later, never to be seen again. 

Nope. I said, ORLESIAN Warden Commander. A fresh character created at Awakening's character Creation since I refuse to retcon my deceased Cousland. 

[Yalision]

I have to say, taking all things into consideration I agree with Loghain's decision. Cailan truly was a fool. Not only did Cailan refuse to wait for the aid of more Grey Wardens, he went into a battle he knew he could not win. If Loghain had stayed and fought, the outcome would have been the same, only another Teryn's men would have been lost.

Cailan was going to betray everything that had built Ferelden to claim itself as an independent nation by courting the empress of Orlais. Loghain made the hard decision, and he wasn't morally in the right, but strategically he made the correct call. It was just unfortunate that he cost the Wardens so dearly before he finally realized that it was a true Blight on his doorstep.

So glad I kept him alive knowing all I know about him now. I also really enjoyed his conversations in Return of Ostagar,

Modifié par Yalision, 05 novembre 2012 - 09:40 .

[Doctoglethorpe]

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...

Doctor Moustache wrote...

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...

The only Warden Commander in my book is my Orlesian Warden Commander from Awakening. And he has return to Orlais never to be seen again.

You of course mean the dalish warden commander from Origins AND Awakening who disappeared during his search for the witch of the wilds some years later, never to be seen again. 

Nope. I said, ORLESIAN Warden Commander. A fresh character created at Awakening's character Creation since I refuse to retcon my deceased Cousland. 

I know of no such Orlesian Commander ever existing, the Warden I know was dalish and all the orlesians sent to his command perished in a darkspawn raid.  And who is this Cousland you speak of? 

[Yalision]

Doctor Moustache wrote...

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...

Doctor Moustache wrote...

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...

The only Warden Commander in my book is my Orlesian Warden Commander from Awakening. And he has return to Orlais never to be seen again.

You of course mean the dalish warden commander from Origins AND Awakening who disappeared during his search for the witch of the wilds some years later, never to be seen again. 

Nope. I said, ORLESIAN Warden Commander. A fresh character created at Awakening's character Creation since I refuse to retcon my deceased Cousland. 

I know of no such Orlesian Commander ever existing, the Warden I know was dalish and all the orlesians sent to his command perished in a darkspawn raid.  And who is this Cousland you speak of? 

You do realize it isn't a retcon to use your dead character in Awakening and further DLC right? Proof I worked hard to gain.

[Sacred_Fantasy]

Doctor Moustache wrote...

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...

Doctor Moustache wrote...

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...

The only Warden Commander in my book is my Orlesian Warden Commander from Awakening. And he has return to Orlais never to be seen again.

You of course mean the dalish warden commander from Origins AND Awakening who disappeared during his search for the witch of the wilds some years later, never to be seen again. 

Nope. I said, ORLESIAN Warden Commander. A fresh character created at Awakening's character Creation since I refuse to retcon my deceased Cousland. 

I know of no such Orlesian Commander ever existing, the Warden I know was dalish and all the orlesians sent to his command perished in a darkspawn raid.  And who is this Cousland you speak of? 

Do not import your character and a start a new one in Awakening. You'll notice that you have an Orlesian background. Your background will be acknowledged by  Mhairi once you start the game. 

Refer to http://dragonage.wik...ins_-_Awakening

For more information on Orlesian Warden Commander.

And Cousland?

She's my Hero of Ferelden, sacrificying herself in order to let Alistair live. Her tale ended when she struck the archdemon but her memories will always be with me.

[Doctoglethorpe]

Yalision wrote...

I have to say, taking all things into consideration I agree with Loghain's decision. Cailan truly was a fool. Not only did Cailan refuse to wait for the aid of more Grey Wardens, he went into a battle he knew he could not win. If Loghain had stayed and fought, the outcome would have been the same, only another Teryn's men would have been lost.

Cailan was going to betray everything that had built Ferelden to claim itself as an independent nation by courting the empress of Orlais. Loghain made the hard decision, and he wasn't morally in the right, but strategically he made the correct call. It was just unfortunate that he cost the Wardens so dearly before he finally realized that it was a true Blight on his doorstep.

So glad I kept him alive knowing all I know about him now. I also really enjoyed his conversations in Return of Ostagar,

If he was right and just then why did you spend most of the game plotting to oust him from power through civil war if need be?  You should of just handed yourself in to the soldiers in Lothering.  I mean, according to Loghain you killed the king.  At the very least you should of stood back and let him work out his plot to stop the darkspawn himself. 

Also for the record, it was a battle they would of won if Loghain had fulfilled his crutial role in flanking the enemy.  Cailen didn't throw his life away, as arrogant as he was acting, Loghain threw it away in his insane sense of paranoia and nationalism. 

[Doctoglethorpe]

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...

Doctor Moustache wrote...

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...

Doctor Moustache wrote...

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...

The only Warden Commander in my book is my Orlesian Warden Commander from Awakening. And he has return to Orlais never to be seen again.

You of course mean the dalish warden commander from Origins AND Awakening who disappeared during his search for the witch of the wilds some years later, never to be seen again. 

Nope. I said, ORLESIAN Warden Commander. A fresh character created at Awakening's character Creation since I refuse to retcon my deceased Cousland. 

I know of no such Orlesian Commander ever existing, the Warden I know was dalish and all the orlesians sent to his command perished in a darkspawn raid.  And who is this Cousland you speak of? 

Do not import your character and a start a new one in Awakening. You'll notice that you have an Orlesian background. Your background will be acknowledged by  Mhairi once you start the game. 

Refer to http://dragonage.wik...ins_-_Awakening

For more information on Orlesian Warden Commander.

And Cousland?

She's my Hero of Ferelden, sacrificying herself in order to let Alistair live. Her tale ended when she struck the archdemon but her memories will always be with me.

I guess some people just never catch a joke. 

[Yalision]

Doctor Moustache wrote...

Yalision wrote...

I have to say, taking all things into consideration I agree with Loghain's decision. Cailan truly was a fool. Not only did Cailan refuse to wait for the aid of more Grey Wardens, he went into a battle he knew he could not win. If Loghain had stayed and fought, the outcome would have been the same, only another Teryn's men would have been lost.

Cailan was going to betray everything that had built Ferelden to claim itself as an independent nation by courting the empress of Orlais. Loghain made the hard decision, and he wasn't morally in the right, but strategically he made the correct call. It was just unfortunate that he cost the Wardens so dearly before he finally realized that it was a true Blight on his doorstep.

So glad I kept him alive knowing all I know about him now. I also really enjoyed his conversations in Return of Ostagar,

If he was right and just then why did you spend most of the game plotting to oust him from power through civil war if need be?  You should of just handed yourself in to the soldiers in Lothering.  I mean, according to Loghain you killed the king.  At the very least you should of stood back and let him work out his plot to stop the darkspawn himself. 

Also for the record, it was a battle they would of won if Loghain had fulfilled his crutial role in flanking the enemy.  Cailen didn't throw his life away, as arrogant as he was acting, Loghain threw it away in his insane sense of paranoia and nationalism. 

Oh no, my Warden definitely wanted to kill him at the Landsmeet, but my Warden was also of the mind that a murderer and an assassin would make great assets in the journey to do so as well. After taking Riordan's suggestion and putting Alistair on the throne with Anora  (keeping the king out of harm's way after he has his hissy fit anyway) my Warden learned a lot about Loghain and eventually cameto agree.

Given the size of the Darkspawn horde, especially in comparison to the army the Warden himself put together and the one seen at Ostagar, there was no chance that piddly force was going to win the day in the south. Loghain made the right call. Flank or no, that was only the tip of the iceberg. Did you not SEE the size of the horde in the Deep Roads alone? Nevermind what was at Ostagar. An endless sea of Darkspawn. The Battle of Denerim was nothing short of a miracle, and that wasn't going to happen at Ostagar in any case - no archdemon yet.

Loghain is an awesome villain because he was doing what he felt was necessary, and I agree in the end. Cailan was a naive fool and not only ignored the advice of Duncan, but also the advice of his greatest general. Put those two together and then read his letters - yep, Cailan was a child playing at war. What good is a Teryn's army if it is dead in a fool's errand of a battle?

Edit: Anyway, bed time. Fun debate.

Modifié par Yalision, 05 novembre 2012 - 09:57 .

[Sacred_Fantasy]

Yalision wrote...

Doctor Moustache wrote...

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...

Doctor Moustache wrote...

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...

The only Warden Commander in my book is my Orlesian Warden Commander from Awakening. And he has return to Orlais never to be seen again.

You of course mean the dalish warden commander from Origins AND Awakening who disappeared during his search for the witch of the wilds some years later, never to be seen again. 

Nope. I said, ORLESIAN Warden Commander. A fresh character created at Awakening's character Creation since I refuse to retcon my deceased Cousland. 

I know of no such Orlesian Commander ever existing, the Warden I know was dalish and all the orlesians sent to his command perished in a darkspawn raid.  And who is this Cousland you speak of? 

You do realize it isn't a retcon to use your dead character in Awakening and further DLC right? Proof I worked hard to gain.

When the new character started with level 24+ and skill of a dead warden + Alistair strangely called the character as "My love" then it is retconning your dead character.

[Sabariel]

I would like to see Headless Corpse Loghain in DA3. Much more fun.

[Doctoglethorpe]

Yalision wrote...


Given the size of the Darkspawn horde, especially in comparison to the army the Warden himself put together and the one seen at Ostagar, there was no chance that piddly force was going to win the day in the south.

Piddly?  Loghain had thousands of men at his command and that was just on top of the kings forces. 

Yes the horde was grand but there was no evidense that it was all there at once, even if more returned later to continue fighting, the kings army also had its own steady supply of reinforcements from the likes of Redcliff and many more from Orlais.  Say what you will about Orlais being hard to trust, when the entire continent is at threat you swallow your pride and work with your rivals to avoid catastrophy.  Lohgain refused to swallow his pride, so he let the king die in order to take over the country and close its borders and insure the Orlesians couldn't come help.  He didn't want their help even if it ment watching his country be swallowed whole, which it damn nearly was if it hadn't been for the warden and the arl of redcliff overthrowing him at the last minute.  

He didn't make the right decision, clearly.  He made the selfish paranoid nationalist decision that lead to half his country falling to the blight including its king, and very nearly lead to the other half falling which was only averted by him being removed from helm. 

Modifié par Doctor Moustache, 05 novembre 2012 - 10:14 .

[Yalision]

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...

Yalision wrote...

Doctor Moustache wrote...

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...

Doctor Moustache wrote...

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...

The only Warden Commander in my book is my Orlesian Warden Commander from Awakening. And he has return to Orlais never to be seen again.

You of course mean the dalish warden commander from Origins AND Awakening who disappeared during his search for the witch of the wilds some years later, never to be seen again. 

Nope. I said, ORLESIAN Warden Commander. A fresh character created at Awakening's character Creation since I refuse to retcon my deceased Cousland. 

I know of no such Orlesian Commander ever existing, the Warden I know was dalish and all the orlesians sent to his command perished in a darkspawn raid.  And who is this Cousland you speak of? 

You do realize it isn't a retcon to use your dead character in Awakening and further DLC right? Proof I worked hard to gain.

When the new character started with level 24+ and skill of a dead warden + Alistair strangely called the character as "My love" then it is retconning your dead character.

Oh there are definitely inconsistencies involved when you're running around as a zombie to be sure. It just depends on if you can suck it up and move through it to raise the plot flags you want in the expansion and dlc to move onto Dragon Age 2. As you can see in the screenshots in the link I provided, the information translates very correctly into Dragon Age 2. My Warden is officially dead, did not perform the dark ritual, and still got the post-origins plot flags. So officially no, your decision was not retconned, because if it had, it wouldn't say my Warden is dead when importing to Dragon Age 2. =)

Dragon Age: Origins data takes precedent in expansion aand dlc flags. Spoke with Allan Schumacher about this in Pm's some time ago and that initially prompted the play through to confirm this. He was even kind enough to get Q&A involved with the matter. Was a nice chat.

Modifié par Yalision, 05 novembre 2012 - 10:14 .

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

When you King says strategy and boredom in the same sentence, the king is an idiot. Loghain made the right call. Unfortunately he blamed you for it. Making him a warden was good punishment. Alister decides he's going to whine and become a drunk.

Now to purge some Orlesians.

[Doctoglethorpe]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

When you King says strategy and boredom in the same sentence, the king is an idiot. Loghain made the right call. Unfortunately he blamed you for it. Making him a warden was good punishment. Alister decides he's going to whine and become a drunk.

Now to purge some Orlesians.

Nobody said the king wasn't an idiot.  That doesn't justify Loghains actions though.  You fools live in such a sad black and white world.