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[Asari Goddess]

Rubios wrote...

- Tech Armor.
- Warp.
- Not Kasumi.

who said she looks like Kasumi ??? >

Modifié par lmysterie, 05 novembre 2012 - 10:17 .

[capn233]

Valkyrie can stack more debuffs against armor, while having damage protection to make it easier to dance around the bosses. That's basically the best argument.

Fury is more hit and run and you probably need to know what you are doing with the teleport dodge to get the most out of her.

[K_Os2]

Tallgeese_VII wrote...

I want some good tips on how to kill praetorian with Valkyrie nit banshee. Banshee often goes down in 5 sec once stopped and get focus fire from team, I find praetorians both laser and claw to be major obstacle of being good boss killer Valkyrie.. Is there a good tip or we just have to be more careful and better.. Damn those collectors can be annoying.

When it's in 'Eat Lazor' mode

1. rush in Warp/BE
2. Gun
3. ????
4. Profit

When it's flying around,  just gun+more gun
When it's walking around, from safe distance warp + gun

Easy.

Modifié par K_Os2, 05 novembre 2012 - 10:18 .

[Asari Goddess]

Well when i play as my fury i usually pop in and out when i see a boss. when the boss has barriers on is i use my acolyte to disable the sheilds fast as possible. After that i just pop in and out inffecting the boss with my annihilation field and start throwing and shooting it with my hurricane. Also im furys are great to count on when every ones takin down.

[CmnDwnWrkn]

Xaijin wrote...

and probably you don't know how to play Fury to maximum effectiveness.

No one has stated that Warp is the sole purveyor of awesomeness. The Fury has a much larger and longer attack of opportunity zone, and can cause more rapid explosions and telecheese through obstacles.

It has nothing to with on paper theoretical effectiveness and everything to do with damage ceiling and utility versus durability.

We also haven't covered damage locking, stagger, and stun; wherein the Valkyrie rules the roost pretty unilaterally at higher difficulties.

The main point is the Valkyrie's scaling model through the various difficulties is a flat straight line consisting of pwn the things and not give a ****, and the Fury's is a very definite curve of run around a lot in a mandatorily dictated fashion while potentially having to carry a staggering weapon or rely on arbitrary choke points.

If you want to talk about "mandatorily dictated" play styles, then please then tell me an effective way of playing the Valkyrie that doesn't involve spamming Warp.

[K_Os2]

capn233 wrote...

Valkyrie can stack more debuffs against armor, while having damage protection to make it easier to dance around the bosses. That's basically the best argument.

Fury is more hit and run and you probably need to know what you are doing with the teleport dodge to get the most out of her.

Hey, I ended up in a few matches with you last night. After playing the two there is really no comparision, one's a sent and the other an adept. This entire arguement it like comparing the Turian sent to the Asari Adept simply because they both have warp.

Modifié par K_Os2, 05 novembre 2012 - 10:29 .

[Locutus_of_BORG]

The Valkyrie is easier to use and is better vs. single targets, whereas the Fury really needs to utilize all 3 offensive powers in different combinations, at different ranges against mulitple enemies to see the most benefit. Otherwise, they are both fast, evasive, hit-n-run characters.

[Asari Goddess]

K_Os2 wrote...

capn233 wrote...

Valkyrie can stack more debuffs against armor, while having damage protection to make it easier to dance around the bosses. That's basically the best argument.

Fury is more hit and run and you probably need to know what you are doing with the teleport dodge to get the most out of her.

Hey, I ended up in a few matches with you last night. After playing the two there is really no comparision, one's a sent and the other an adept. This entire arguement it like comparing the Turian sent to the Asari Adept simply because they both have warp.

lol i just noticed that lol they should be argueing if the asari sentinel or the turian sentinel is better not about how the asar sentinel is so much better then the fury wich is not

[corporal doody]

why are we still comparing the two?

they are different characters.

omfg...they both have AF....so they must be the same!!!

[Ashen One]

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

Xaijin wrote...

and probably you don't know how to play Fury to maximum effectiveness.

No one has stated that Warp is the sole purveyor of awesomeness. The Fury has a much larger and longer attack of opportunity zone, and can cause more rapid explosions and telecheese through obstacles.

It has nothing to with on paper theoretical effectiveness and everything to do with damage ceiling and utility versus durability.

We also haven't covered damage locking, stagger, and stun; wherein the Valkyrie rules the roost pretty unilaterally at higher difficulties.

The main point is the Valkyrie's scaling model through the various difficulties is a flat straight line consisting of pwn the things and not give a ****, and the Fury's is a very definite curve of run around a lot in a mandatorily dictated fashion while potentially having to carry a staggering weapon or rely on arbitrary choke points.

If you want to talk about "mandatorily dictated" play styles, then please then tell me an effective way of playing the Valkyrie that doesn't involve spamming Warp.

If you're actually playing to the Valkyrie's strengths, you wouldn't be "spamming" Warp anyway. Anything that got hit by both damage taken debuffs in Warp and AF should be dead or mostly dead before the power even finishes it's cooldown.

[Asari Goddess]

corporal doody wrote...

why are we still comparing the two?

they are different characters.

omfg...they both have AF....so they must be the same!!!

Fail!!!!!
only becuase they both have AF doesnt mean that the do the same thing only an amature would think that. If play and asari valkryie the same way as a fury with the AF you'll fail big time. They both have AF but they both have completely different play styles.

[ToaOrka]

Road Wulf wrote...

The Valkyrie is not the Explosion Engine that the Fury is, but is up there for Armor Debuffing and close range weapons combat.

You can't compare the two because of one Power, because the two classes should not be played the same.

QFT.

[K_Os2]

lmysterie wrote...

corporal doody wrote...

why are we still comparing the two?

they are different characters.

omfg...they both have AF....so they must be the same!!!

Fail!!!!!
only becuase they both have AF doesnt mean that the do the same thing only an amature would think that. If play and asari valkryie the same way as a fury with the AF you'll fail big time. They both have AF but they both have completely different play styles.

Yet, we have another 5-page Fury vs Valkyrie thread..so

[corporal doody]

lmysterie wrote...

corporal doody wrote...

why are we still comparing the two?

they are different characters.

omfg...they both have AF....so they must be the same!!!

Fail!!!!!
only becuase they both have AF doesnt mean that the do the same thing only an amature would think that. If play and asari valkryie the same way as a fury with the AF you'll fail big time. They both have AF but they both have completely different play styles.

that was my point

[corporal doody]

K_Os2 wrote...

lmysterie wrote...

corporal doody wrote...

why are we still comparing the two?

they are different characters.

omfg...they both have AF....so they must be the same!!!

Fail!!!!!
only becuase they both have AF doesnt mean that the do the same thing only an amature would think that. If play and asari valkryie the same way as a fury with the AF you'll fail big time. They both have AF but they both have completely different play styles.

Yet, we have another 5-page Fury vs Valkyrie thread..so

cuz this is the BSN....and some folks think certain things and are inflexible...so then they think EVERYONE thinks the same as they do and cant understand how others think differently.

To try and play the Valkyrie the same way as SOME play the Fury....is a waste of awesomeness!!!

i for one never subscribed to that RUSH IN AND BLOW UM UP playstyle of the fury. Doesnt always turn out so well on gold for alot of awesome RAMBOS i have seen try it.

[Ashen One]

ITT: People still convincing themselves the only reason to ever play a biotic is to spam biotic explosions.

If you want your character to play like this you have the Fury.

If you want to drop a boss unit in seconds, you have the Valkyrie.

The similarities begin and end with AF, and even then AF would be set up differently than it would be on a Fury if you're trying to play the Valkyrie to it's full potential.

[CmnDwnWrkn]

Ashen Earth wrote...

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

Xaijin wrote...

and probably you don't know how to play Fury to maximum effectiveness.

No one has stated that Warp is the sole purveyor of awesomeness. The Fury has a much larger and longer attack of opportunity zone, and can cause more rapid explosions and telecheese through obstacles.

It has nothing to with on paper theoretical effectiveness and everything to do with damage ceiling and utility versus durability.

We also haven't covered damage locking, stagger, and stun; wherein the Valkyrie rules the roost pretty unilaterally at higher difficulties.

The main point is the Valkyrie's scaling model through the various difficulties is a flat straight line consisting of pwn the things and not give a ****, and the Fury's is a very definite curve of run around a lot in a mandatorily dictated fashion while potentially having to carry a staggering weapon or rely on arbitrary choke points.

If you want to talk about "mandatorily dictated" play styles, then please then tell me an effective way of playing the Valkyrie that doesn't involve spamming Warp.

If you're actually playing to the Valkyrie's strengths, you wouldn't be "spamming" Warp anyway. Anything that got hit by both damage taken debuffs in Warp and AF should be dead or mostly dead before the power even finishes it's cooldown.

I was mostly responding to the assertion that the Fury requires a "mandatorily dictated" play style, because it seemed to infer that the Valkyrie was somehow more versatile, with a wider variety of play styles.

[Asari Goddess]

Ok let me just finish this by saying that the are both different classes and just like what Roadwolf stated we cant compare them only becuase of Annihilation Field. It would be different if they were both from the same class. Im surprise about how the asari valkyrie isnt compared to the turian sentinal?

Modifié par lmysterie, 05 novembre 2012 - 11:07 .

[Ashen One]

lmysterie wrote...

Im surprise about how the asari valkyrie isnt compared to the turian sentinal?

It would make more sense because she shares 2 abilities with the human/turian sentinels, but I think it's just something about AF that compels people to equip a crappy weapon and do nothing aside from spamming biotic explosions.

I'm surprised people can't put 1 and 1 together since all of her powers are recycled anyway, you would think people would know how to use them by now.

[Asari Goddess]

The only reason they compareing both of them is because both of them are new cool characters. Watch after the new pack comes they going to forget this bc if they really want to compare stuff go compare the human and the turian sentinal becuase compareing the fury and the asari valkyrie is actually hopeless

[Asari Goddess]

[quote]lmysterie wrote...

The only reason they compareing both of them is because both of them are new cool characters. Watch after the new pack comes they going to forget this. if they really want to compare stuff go compare the human and the turian sentinal becuase compareing the fury and the asari valkyrie is actually hopeless 

i press quote instead of edit -.-

Modifié par lmysterie, 05 novembre 2012 - 11:30 .

[Blissey1]

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

The arguments I see being made for the Valkyrie being better is that she has Warp. Well, that's great, but so do a lot of other characters. If you think the Valkyrie is better, that just means you're a fan of Warp, and probably you don't know how to play Fury to maximum effectiveness.

I must conclude that you haven't actually read any of the arguments in this thread.

[masleslie]

Why are we still comparing these two characters after weeks because they share one power?
I love them both but i'ts a bit like comparing a Tank & a Porsche. They both excel at what they do but they are both very different despite some similarities in there.

[Deerber]

I guess I'll post here since...

I cannot seem to find Ashen's thread about the Valkyrie. I wanted to take another look since Ashen mentioned he might update it, but... I can't find it with the search function :/ Anyone know how to find it?

[BanditGR]

Deerber wrote...

I guess I'll post here since...

I cannot seem to find Ashen's thread about the Valkyrie. I wanted to take another look since Ashen mentioned he might update it, but... I can't find it with the search function :/ Anyone know how to find it?

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