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[NovaBlastMarketing]

I have to disagree with op on almost all points . .

ME2 is vastly superior in to ME3 form a story ending character interaction replay value entertain ment ...........etc

Even if you just compare the endings .. ME2 is still a better game than ME3

You cant compare the two I replayed Me2 many many times ..To this date i have only 1 full play though of ME3


ME2 Ending

- great boss fight

- great scene with Miranda ..." consider this my resignation " is one of the best ending  lines in the serise

- If  you did it properly and everyone survived the final sequence was awesome build up to ME3 since you knew there was going to be another

Unfortunately ME3 under delivered and was a disappointment with very little replay value


ME3 Ending

There  really isnt anything good you can say about it .

All the endings ME3 suck they have no redeeming qualities what so ever ..

and not only that but actually put a stain on the entire series.

Modifié par NovaBlastMarketing, 06 novembre 2012 - 12:23 .

[KingZayd]

jstme wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

jstme wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

jstme wrote...

Yate wrote...

IT'S OK TO NOT LIKE ME3'S ENDING

IT'S NOT OK TO PRETEND THAT ME3'S ENDING WAS UNIVERSALLY OBJECTIVELY BAD

Well, it was bad.
Universally and objectively.
The proof is that they had to make an extended cut.

Agreed on the Original Endings. They were atrocious.

But the Extended Cut does not apply to your statement

Extended cut was better then the original. Bitter parts were covered with industrial amounts of syrup ,effort was made to stitch the numerous plot holes , wtf moments were (sort of) explained and there was that cool memorial scene and those ok-ish slides. Even new easter egg ending was added.
But the main theme remained. Syrup with bitter stuff still tastes bad. Shepard is still out of character. Catalyst still runs the show. New ending serves to show that it is Bioware story,nothing more.All choices have horrible consequences. Playing past Anderson scene is something that needs to be forced  instead of looking forward to it.
So to me it is still bad. Not as bad as original - well it is not that hard,frankly.  

Agreed on the original endings. They WERE atrocious. But the Extended cut actually made things worse: While attempting to explain some of the nonsense, they added more contradictions

Well ,EC did not made things worse for me. See, i understood that all those red blips in destroy end are relays blowing like in arrival. I actually though that i just blew all galactical centers with that choice. Whether it was what grimdark writer intended or not, it was changed in EC and for this i am really thankfull.
In comparison EC Normandy thing (only contradiction it added i am aware of) just made me laugh. I imagined  poor EC writers trying to find excuse for original enidng teleporting squad for hours without any success and in the end simply giving up.

How about the fact that now with the EC, the Crucible was just a glorified battery all along? This means all those cycles, their secret plan to stop the Reapers was to build a giant battery and then attach it to the Giant Reaper base. What idiots came up with that plan? Also, this means that the destroy option comes from the Starchild itself. Why offer you the power to destroy the Reapers and undo all its work?

And why did the Starchild fear this battery so much that he tried to have the plans for it erradicated?

Modifié par KingZayd, 06 novembre 2012 - 12:22 .

[Yate]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Yate wrote...


actually they were

sure he was indoctrinated

but he pretty much just told you everything about synthesis

Not from what I heard. He talks about the combining organic and synthetic, purely physically, as opposed to what Synthesis does, which is the granting of a unique understanding of the other form of life, without changing either.

not really

[Yate]

why the hell does everyone act like the catalyst ruined all the choices you made?

I made those choices because I wanted to, not because I thought I'd get a cheesy cutscene at the end.

[The Night Mammoth]

Yate wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Yate wrote...


actually they were

sure he was indoctrinated

but he pretty much just told you everything about synthesis

Not from what I heard. He talks about the combining organic and synthetic, purely physically, as opposed to what Synthesis does, which is the granting of a unique understanding of the other form of life, without changing either.

not really

 
Oh boy, consider me a convert, your argument is so convincing.

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 06 novembre 2012 - 12:22 .

[Yate]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Yate wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Yate wrote...


actually they were

sure he was indoctrinated

but he pretty much just told you everything about synthesis

Not from what I heard. He talks about the combining organic and synthetic, purely physically, as opposed to what Synthesis does, which is the granting of a unique understanding of the other form of life, without changing either.

not really

 
Oh boy, consider me a convert, your argument is so convincing.

it's pretty explicitly shown that synthesis has some physical change

and the difference is effectively minimal anyway

[KingZayd]

Yate wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Yate wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Yate wrote...


actually they were

sure he was indoctrinated

but he pretty much just told you everything about synthesis

Not from what I heard. He talks about the combining organic and synthetic, purely physically, as opposed to what Synthesis does, which is the granting of a unique understanding of the other form of life, without changing either.

not really

 
Oh boy, consider me a convert, your argument is so convincing.

it's pretty explicitly shown that synthesis has some physical change

and the difference is effectively minimal anyway

Better examples of earlier Reaper synthesis are the Reapers themselves, the Keepers, the Collectors and all the other husks.

Modifié par KingZayd, 06 novembre 2012 - 12:30 .

[The Night Mammoth]

Yate wrote...

it's pretty explicitly shown that synthesis has some physical change

That's not the purpose of it though, whilst with Saren it would have been. 

and the difference is effectively minimal anyway

The difference is huge. Saren wants all weaknesses eliminated, by physically combining the advantages of the organic and the machine, to achieve perfection. 

Synthesis isn't about that at all. It's supposed to solve a conflict by forcing understanding on everyone, without sacrificing what makes an organic, organic, and a synthetic, synthetic.

[RKB28]

Binary_Helix 1 wrote...

TROLL ALERT.

Yep, pretty much this. If ME3´s ending was half as epic as ME2´s ending, it woul have been 10 times better then it is...

[MegaSovereign]

The purpose of Synthesis is two-pronged. It physically upgrades organics so that they can keep up with synthetics in terms of evolution and it grants synthetics a new kind of organic perspective.

Modifié par MegaSovereign, 06 novembre 2012 - 12:46 .

[tvman099]

Yate wrote...

ME2:

- unexpected twist ending that shatters our concept of the plot
ME2's finale had no surprises
- final decision has few consequences
That's the fault of ME3 for tossing aside everything in ME2 that wasn't TIM.
- two possible endings, one of which is actually a game over
If there's a point here, you're failing to make it.
- ends with a blatant sequel hook
Second game in a trilogy setting things up for the final chapter? You don't say.
- contains a boring boss fight
Sure does. But at least there was one.
- no implications of the ending are explained or shown
Second game in a trilogy setting things up for the final chapter? You don't say.
- no memorable dialogue
Well now you're just lying.
- a lot of fans didn't like it
I suppose there was a small minority, but even "a lot" is an overstatement.

ME3:

- unexpected twist ending that shatters our concept of the plot
Calling it a twist is giving it too much credit. It was an asspull, pure and simple.
- final decision has major consequences
If you're suggesting that alone makes it good, you're quite mistaken.
- four possible endings, one of which is actually a game over
If you're suggesting that this also makes it good, you're mistaken again.
- gives a sense of closure
So much closure they had to add DLC in order to upgrade it from incomprehensible mess to still bad but at least mostly coherent, right? A triumph in storytelling indeed.
- no boss fight
And we see how well that worked out.
- various implications of the ending are shown
And that makes it all good, right? Wait...
- some of the best dialogue and voice acting in the game
Again with the lying, why are you doing this?
- a lot of fans don't like it
And by "a lot" you mean almost everyone.

Obvious troll post, but still throwing in my two cents regardless.

[Texhnolyze101]

I'm never going to change my mind about both priority earth and the ending since they both suck to me and always will.

[Mcfly616]

NovaBlastMarketing wrote...

I have to disagree with op on almost all points . .

ME2 is vastly superior in to ME3 form a story ending character interaction replay value entertain ment ...........etc

Even if you just compare the endings .. ME2 is still a better game than ME3

You cant compare the two I replayed Me2 many many times ..To this date i have only 1 full play though of ME3


ME2 Ending

- great boss fight

- great scene with Miranda ..." consider this my resignation " is one of the best ending  lines in the serise

- If  you did it properly and everyone survived the final sequence was awesome build up to ME3 since you knew there was going to be another

Unfortunately ME3 under delivered and was a disappointment with very little replay value


ME3 Ending

There  really isnt anything good you can say about it .

All the endings ME3 suck they have no redeeming qualities what so ever ..

and not only that but actually put a stain on the entire series.

Hahaha obvious Troll

Demonstrated by: "Great boss fight". Lmao....and then the rest you did a nice job of underlining.

Modifié par Mcfly616, 06 novembre 2012 - 01:12 .

[Mcfly616]

KingZayd wrote...

jstme wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

jstme wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

jstme wrote...

Yate wrote...

IT'S OK TO NOT LIKE ME3'S ENDING

IT'S NOT OK TO PRETEND THAT ME3'S ENDING WAS UNIVERSALLY OBJECTIVELY BAD

Well, it was bad.
Universally and objectively.
The proof is that they had to make an extended cut.

Agreed on the Original Endings. They were atrocious.

But the Extended Cut does not apply to your statement

Extended cut was better then the original. Bitter parts were covered with industrial amounts of syrup ,effort was made to stitch the numerous plot holes , wtf moments were (sort of) explained and there was that cool memorial scene and those ok-ish slides. Even new easter egg ending was added.
But the main theme remained. Syrup with bitter stuff still tastes bad. Shepard is still out of character. Catalyst still runs the show. New ending serves to show that it is Bioware story,nothing more.All choices have horrible consequences. Playing past Anderson scene is something that needs to be forced  instead of looking forward to it.
So to me it is still bad. Not as bad as original - well it is not that hard,frankly.  

Agreed on the original endings. They WERE atrocious. But the Extended cut actually made things worse: While attempting to explain some of the nonsense, they added more contradictions

Well ,EC did not made things worse for me. See, i understood that all those red blips in destroy end are relays blowing like in arrival. I actually though that i just blew all galactical centers with that choice. Whether it was what grimdark writer intended or not, it was changed in EC and for this i am really thankfull.
In comparison EC Normandy thing (only contradiction it added i am aware of) just made me laugh. I imagined  poor EC writers trying to find excuse for original enidng teleporting squad for hours without any success and in the end simply giving up.

How about the fact that now with the EC, the Crucible was just a glorified battery all along? This means all those cycles, their secret plan to stop the Reapers was to build a giant battery and then attach it to the Giant Reaper base. What idiots came up with that plan? Also, this means that the destroy option comes from the Starchild itself. Why offer you the power to destroy the Reapers and undo all its work?

And why did the Starchild fear this battery so much that he tried to have the plans for it erradicated?

lol ummm because it worked?! ....that's the answer to nearly every question you just raised. Simple enough genius

[Nightwriter]

Yate wrote...

most common rebuttal seems to be "but it's the end of the series!"

which of course is just a different way of saying "FAILED TO LIVE UP TO EXPECTATIONS"

WHICH DOES NOT MEAN BAD

No, it means a lack of closure in the middle of a story isn't as bad as a lack of closure at the end of a story.

Is that really all that hard to understand?

[N7 Assass1n]

HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. WAIT... I'm not done yet... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

[KingZayd]

Mcfly616 wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

jstme wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

jstme wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

jstme wrote...

Yate wrote...

IT'S OK TO NOT LIKE ME3'S ENDING

IT'S NOT OK TO PRETEND THAT ME3'S ENDING WAS UNIVERSALLY OBJECTIVELY BAD

Well, it was bad.
Universally and objectively.
The proof is that they had to make an extended cut.

Agreed on the Original Endings. They were atrocious.

But the Extended Cut does not apply to your statement

Extended cut was better then the original. Bitter parts were covered with industrial amounts of syrup ,effort was made to stitch the numerous plot holes , wtf moments were (sort of) explained and there was that cool memorial scene and those ok-ish slides. Even new easter egg ending was added.
But the main theme remained. Syrup with bitter stuff still tastes bad. Shepard is still out of character. Catalyst still runs the show. New ending serves to show that it is Bioware story,nothing more.All choices have horrible consequences. Playing past Anderson scene is something that needs to be forced  instead of looking forward to it.
So to me it is still bad. Not as bad as original - well it is not that hard,frankly.  

Agreed on the original endings. They WERE atrocious. But the Extended cut actually made things worse: While attempting to explain some of the nonsense, they added more contradictions

Well ,EC did not made things worse for me. See, i understood that all those red blips in destroy end are relays blowing like in arrival. I actually though that i just blew all galactical centers with that choice. Whether it was what grimdark writer intended or not, it was changed in EC and for this i am really thankfull.
In comparison EC Normandy thing (only contradiction it added i am aware of) just made me laugh. I imagined  poor EC writers trying to find excuse for original enidng teleporting squad for hours without any success and in the end simply giving up.

How about the fact that now with the EC, the Crucible was just a glorified battery all along? This means all those cycles, their secret plan to stop the Reapers was to build a giant battery and then attach it to the Giant Reaper base. What idiots came up with that plan? Also, this means that the destroy option comes from the Starchild itself. Why offer you the power to destroy the Reapers and undo all its work?

And why did the Starchild fear this battery so much that he tried to have the plans for it erradicated?

lol ummm because it worked?! ....that's the answer to nearly every question you just raised. Simple enough genius

The Starchild feared the battery, because it would help him do his job? Wow that really is simple isn't it?

The Starchild lets you destroy his solution and not replace it, because that works as a solution to his problem? So simple!

And the cycles had faith in this battery because whenever something's trying to kill you, the solution is always to give it a battery. So obvious now!

Modifié par KingZayd, 06 novembre 2012 - 01:23 .

[Yate]

saying the crucible is a battery is like saying a nuclear power plant is a potato

[KingZayd]

Yate wrote...

saying the crucible is a battery is like saying a nuclear power plant is a potato

It's what the Starchild suggests: "it's little more than a power source". It might be a big battery, but it's still a battery.

[Ithurael]

5 pages...really ppl!?

sometimes I think people indulge the trolls just to yell at each other...

[apascone]

kratos0294 wrote...

When i finished ME2, i had sweaty palms and a tingly feeling in my stomach because of the overload of epicness.
When i finished ME3, .........i had only one thought in my mind.........."lol wat" ?

With the EC, things got much better, but it "only" raised a terrible ending to an acceptable one.

This

[GreyLycanTrope]

Yate wrote...

saying the crucible is a battery is like saying a nuclear power plant is a potato

All those things supply energy, what's your point?