Bill Casey wrote...
Bzzt WRONG
Sovereign has improved him. Upgraded him. After Virmire, he's a vision of the future. The evolution of all organic life...
Modifié par Han Shot First, 06 novembre 2012 - 06:53 .
And that leads to open season for the Leviathans, or possibly the krogan. Ultimately, what I care about is stopping the harvest; if I may do so by making peace, then all the better.Control and Synthesis are stalemate endings that fail to achieve victory over the Reapers. As stalemates they also represent a partial failture of Shepard's mission.
Both end with the Reaper fleet still intact and capable of wiping out the galaxy. Refuse of course is an outright defeat. The only ending that truly guarantees that the space faring civilizations of the galaxy are saved from the Reapers for all time is Destroy.
Which is funny because I won't be standing in the ashes of any dead souls due to my decision. I would say that it's more an anti-Destroy quote, talking about asking the geth."You think you can win this war your honor intact? Stand in the ashes of
a trillion dead souls, and ask the ghosts if honor matters."
Modifié par Xilizhra, 06 novembre 2012 - 07:03 .
Xilizhra wrote...
And that leads to open season for the Leviathans, or possibly the krogan..Control and Synthesis are stalemate endings that fail to achieve victory over the Reapers. As stalemates they also represent a partial failture of Shepard's mission.
Both end with the Reaper fleet still intact and capable of wiping out the galaxy. Refuse of course is an outright defeat. The only ending that truly guarantees that the space faring civilizations of the galaxy are saved from the Reapers for all time is Destroy.
Modifié par Han Shot First, 06 novembre 2012 - 07:05 .
Nor will the Reapers be, once I'm through with them.Han Shot First wrote...
Xilizhra wrote...
And that leads to open season for the Leviathans, or possibly the krogan..Control and Synthesis are stalemate endings that fail to achieve victory over the Reapers. As stalemates they also represent a partial failture of Shepard's mission.
Both end with the Reaper fleet still intact and capable of wiping out the galaxy. Refuse of course is an outright defeat. The only ending that truly guarantees that the space faring civilizations of the galaxy are saved from the Reapers for all time is Destroy.
Both of whom are much lesser threats than the Reapers, and not actively engaged at the moment in trying to eradicate all sapient life.
Assuming the **** part was removed from power and all of their genocidal actions stopped, with everyone involved who committed them removed (as that's what happens in Control or Synthesis), that wouldn't be completely unreasonable.Forgive me for going Godwin, but that would be like the Britain and the
United States deciding to make a seperate peace with **** Germany
because Germany's defeat might create a vacuum for the Soviets to
exploit.
Modifié par Xilizhra, 06 novembre 2012 - 07:06 .
Xilizhra wrote...
Nor will the Reapers be, once I'm through with them.Han Shot First wrote...
Xilizhra wrote...
And that leads to open season for the Leviathans, or possibly the krogan..Control and Synthesis are stalemate endings that fail to achieve victory over the Reapers. As stalemates they also represent a partial failture of Shepard's mission.
Both end with the Reaper fleet still intact and capable of wiping out the galaxy. Refuse of course is an outright defeat. The only ending that truly guarantees that the space faring civilizations of the galaxy are saved from the Reapers for all time is Destroy.
Both of whom are much lesser threats than the Reapers, and not actively engaged at the moment in trying to eradicate all sapient life.
The Catalyst was the one performing all of those old tricks. In Control, I replace it. In Synthesis, the Reapers are severed from the Catalyst and gain free will.Control and Synthesis ends with the Reaper fleet entirely intact. How do you guarantee that they'll never return to old tricks?
I disagree. The endings aren't stupid, just poorly set up. They're actually fairly intelligent in some areas.CosmicGnosis, we've had this
discussion. All the endings are stupid. Just use a frickin' random
number generator or something.
Modifié par Xilizhra, 06 novembre 2012 - 07:07 .
Han Shot First wrote...
Forgive me for going Godwin, but that would be like the Britain and the United States deciding to make a seperate peace with N-zi Germany because Germany's defeat might create a vacuum for the Soviets to exploit.
Modifié par Lizardviking, 06 novembre 2012 - 07:10 .
It's the poor setup that makes them stupid, Xil. They would have been jolly good endings in a different game.Xilizhra wrote...
I disagree. The endings aren't stupid, just poorly set up. They're actually fairly intelligent in some areas.
You can if you want to, but I don't feel that I broke any narrative themes in Control. Or even, for that matter, in Synthesis, truly. And Destroy is a perfectly in-theme Renegade ending.AdmiralCheez wrote...
It's the poor setup that makes them stupid, Xil. They would have been jolly good endings in a different game.Xilizhra wrote...
I disagree. The endings aren't stupid, just poorly set up. They're actually fairly intelligent in some areas.
Like Deus Ex.
PS: Don't make me go off on narrative themes and consistency again because I totally will.
Lizardviking wrote...
Han Shot First wrote...
Forgive me for going Godwin, but that would be like the Britain and the United States deciding to make a seperate peace with N-zi Germany because Germany's defeat might create a vacuum for the Soviets to exploit.
No Han, that is completely inaccurate.
The Reapers in control are under new leadership. It would be more like if the US invited West-Germany into NATO. Which is exactly what happend.
Modifié par Han Shot First, 06 novembre 2012 - 07:18 .
The Catalyst has no further control over the Reapers in Synthesis, and I think it's been destroyed anyway. As for whether Shepard can be trusted, that's the PC and up to the player to decide.Han Shot First wrote...
Control would the equivalent of killing Hitler and replacing him as dictator.
And can the Shepard catalyst truly be trusted? After all it isn't exactly Shepard anymore. Who is to say it won't eventually reach the same conclusions as the Catalyst it replaced?
Synthesis is even worse in that it leaves the original Catalyst firmly in control of the Reapers.
Xilizhra wrote...
The Catalyst has no further control over the Reapers in Synthesis, and I think it's been destroyed anyway. As for whether Shepard can be trusted, that's the PC and up to the player to decide.Han Shot First wrote...
Control would the equivalent of killing Hitler and replacing him as dictator.
And can the Shepard catalyst truly be trusted? After all it isn't exactly Shepard anymore. Who is to say it won't eventually reach the same conclusions as the Catalyst it replaced?
Synthesis is even worse in that it leaves the original Catalyst firmly in control of the Reapers.
Modifié par Han Shot First, 06 novembre 2012 - 07:21 .
Han Shot First wrote...
KingZayd wrote...
Not picking destroy is validating the Reapers, and that's not good.
Control: If you can't beat 'em, join 'em.
Synthesis: Lets all hold hands--tentacles--whatever, and single Kumbaya.
Refuse: Winning is so mainstream. *Quits*
AdmiralCheez wrote...
It's the poor setup that makes them stupid, Xil. They would have been jolly good endings in a different game.
Like Deus Ex.
PS: Don't make me go off on narrative themes and consistency again because I totally will.
If you want to define it that way, fine. The safety of it is one of the reasons I pick Control.The only endings that destroy the Catalyst are Control and Destroy. Control and Destroy are the only two ending choices where it is explicitly stated that the Catalyst would be destroyed. It isn't mentioned as one of the consequences of Synthesis. Not suprisingly, Synthesis is the ending the Catalyst prefers.
Han Shot First wrote...
Xilizhra wrote...
The Catalyst has no further control over the Reapers in Synthesis, and I think it's been destroyed anyway. As for whether Shepard can be trusted, that's the PC and up to the player to decide.Han Shot First wrote...
Control would the equivalent of killing Hitler and replacing him as dictator.
And can the Shepard catalyst truly be trusted? After all it isn't exactly Shepard anymore. Who is to say it won't eventually reach the same conclusions as the Catalyst it replaced?
Synthesis is even worse in that it leaves the original Catalyst firmly in control of the Reapers.
That is head canon.
The only endings that destroy the Catalyst are Control and Destroy. Control and Destroy are the only two ending choices where it is explicitly stated that the Catalyst would be destroyed. It isn't mentioned as one of the consequences of Synthesis. Not suprisingly, Synthesis is the ending the Catalyst prefers.
Yes, it's widely considered in the Synthesis thread that the Citadel is outright destroyed by Synthesis.Well, this happens in Synthesis. Considering that the Citadel is the Catalyst, yeah...
Han Shot First wrote...
Lizardviking wrote...
Han Shot First wrote...
Forgive me for going Godwin, but that would be like the Britain and the United States deciding to make a seperate peace with N-zi Germany because Germany's defeat might create a vacuum for the Soviets to exploit.
No Han, that is completely inaccurate.
The Reapers in control are under new leadership. It would be more like if the US invited West-Germany into NATO. Which is exactly what happend.
Control would the equivalent of killing Hitler and replacing him as dictator.
Destroy: LOL SYNTHETICS AND ORGANICS CAN NEVER GET ALONG SO KILL THE ROBOTS OBVIOUSLY.Xilizhra wrote...
You can if you want to, but I don't feel that I broke any narrative themes in Control. Or even, for that matter, in Synthesis, truly. And Destroy is a perfectly in-theme Renegade ending.
Or go with the mod if you're on PCAdmiralCheez wrote...
CosmicGnosis, we've had this discussion. All the endings are stupid. Just use a frickin' random number generator or something.
It took some time to decide. However, at this point, I feel no guilt. I was given a set of options and chose the best one, and to the best of my knowledge, it worked out. I won the war. The Reapers are mine. I will protect the galaxy, and release the Reapers when it's safe to do so. As a matter of fact, everything went better than I expected, and the only substantial thing I had to sacrifice was Liara's happiness... emotionally wrenching, but not that relevant in the grand scheme of things. Moreover, without the galaxy itself pulling together for this move, I never could have gotten that far. When the Crucible deploys, I know it was my work that enabled it to be built, and when it fires, I know that it was my own choice to make. What I did, in the end, very definitely mattered. And if I have to die to bring that about, so be it. It was a better sacrifice than I thought I'd get.I seriously question the sanity of any and all individuals who did not feel at least some guilt or discomfort at their choice, regardless of what they actually chose. That means you, Xil.
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