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[AdmiralCheez]

CosmicGnosis wrote...

And it sucks that choosing Destroy places me in the same crowd that includes people who don't accept the concept of synthetic "life".

There are a lot of dirtbag/racist/sexist atheists and feminists out there.  That doesn't stop me from being an atheist or a feminist, and it doesn't make me racist/sexist/a dirtbag, either.  In addition, I'm not giving up my favorite band (Muse) just because it's been tainted by Twihards (who are occasionally decent people).

In other words, don't let the taint of turds get in the way of your decisions.  Having one thing in common with somebody does not automatically make you just like them.

Also EDI and the geth are totes legitimate, living entities and my precious babies.

Modifié par AdmiralCheez, 07 novembre 2012 - 05:18 .

[CosmicGnosis]

Vigilant111 wrote...

CosmicGnosis wrote...

clennon8 wrote...

Responding to OP... Destroy isn't a validation of an anti-Synthetic philosophy. At least, not for me. It's actually a vote for self-determination. Destroy is the only one of the RGB endings that you can say that about. Nope, not Control. Nope, not Synthesis. And I'm being kind and leaving IT out of the picture. I choose Destroy precisely because I *don't* believe organics and synthetics cannot get along. It is a frustrating perversity that the Destroy choice forces me to sacrifice the geth in order to stand up for that principle.

And it sucks that choosing Destroy places me in the same crowd that includes people who don't accept the concept of synthetic "life".

To be fair, he did use the word "sacrifice", you don't sacrifice things that are not alive, hence there is so much noise being made about the Geth and EDI dying in destroy. If people did not accept synthetics as alive then they would'nt whine about it

But there are people here in this forum who don't think that EDI and the geth are genuine sapient beings, and they have no problem choosing Destroy.

[clennon8]

CosmicGnosis wrote...

Vigilant111 wrote...

CosmicGnosis wrote...

clennon8 wrote...

Responding to OP... Destroy isn't a validation of an anti-Synthetic philosophy. At least, not for me. It's actually a vote for self-determination. Destroy is the only one of the RGB endings that you can say that about. Nope, not Control. Nope, not Synthesis. And I'm being kind and leaving IT out of the picture. I choose Destroy precisely because I *don't* believe organics and synthetics cannot get along. It is a frustrating perversity that the Destroy choice forces me to sacrifice the geth in order to stand up for that principle.

And it sucks that choosing Destroy places me in the same crowd that includes people who don't accept the concept of synthetic "life".

To be fair, he did use the word "sacrifice", you don't sacrifice things that are not alive, hence there is so much noise being made about the Geth and EDI dying in destroy. If people did not accept synthetics as alive then they would'nt whine about it

But there are people here in this forum who don't think that EDI and the geth are genuine sapient beings, and they have no problem choosing Destroy.

That is true.  Those people do exist.

[ghost9191]

well do you think that? if not then why does it matter if it is what you think . don't refuse to choose something because you don't want to be part of a group.

as javik said " do not care what others think, do what you must"

reason i come to these forums is because ( part of the reason) of the geth sacrifice. i hate the edi part but she is one person to stop the reaper threat. sucks but not the first time to sacrifice a crewmember. but a whole race . i don't feel like a hero lol


or some might just say that to justify destroy idk. i wouldn't have saved the geth over rannoch if i didn't see them as alive. although legion does state that they aren't alive until the reaper upgrades so . yeah . could meta game them out of existence over rannoch .

anyways " their sacrifice will be honored in the coming empire":D

Modifié par ghost9191, 07 novembre 2012 - 05:23 .

[Vigilant111]

I wonder how many people chose destroy due to peer pressure, by peer pressure I meant Javik

Modifié par Vigilant111, 07 novembre 2012 - 05:22 .

[AdmiralCheez]

Vigilant111 wrote...

I wonder how many people chose destroy due to peer pressure or pressure from Javik

Truth time: I only chose Destroy so Javik would bone me.*

*not actual truth

[ghost9191]

Vigilant111 wrote...

I wonder how many people chose destroy due to peer pressure, by peer pressure I meant Javik

first playthrough . i barely paid attention to him , thought god this guy is a douche . picked destroy still though . best option i thought.

but now , if i play through ME . he does make me feel like i pick the right choice/. mainly because most of the crew are for destroy . no one really advocates control but TIM . and well synthesis . no one talks about that

[MyChemicalBromance]

CosmicGnosis wrote...

And if I pick Synthesis, then I'm a really bad guy.

You just need to not see things in terms of good and evil. This will sound arrogant as hell, but, those are for children.

[Yate]

Control is the only choice with no real downside

and the geth are not alive, no amount of Legion puppy eyes will change that fact

[Sir Topham Hat]

Vigilant111 wrote...

I wonder how many people chose destroy due to peer pressure, by peer pressure I meant Javik

I wonder how many people chose Synthesis because of EDI.

[ghost9191]

1) that is cold yate . and there is a downside to control. mark my words i mean what if the catalyst doesn't leave. and you have to live with that thing . talk about hell

2) well i sure didn't . edi actually made synthesis worse for me with the epilogue . and well one person is not worth that change . not to be a douche but yeah , high cost

[BatmanTurian]

Yate wrote...

Control is the only choice with no real downside

and the geth are not alive, no amount of Legion puppy eyes will change that fact

No real downside except that Shepard dies, the Catalyst is partially overwritten, the Reapers still exist and are still enslaved cyborg frankenstein zombies.

[Bill Casey]

I have some great news, CosmicGnosis...
In the eight months you spent trying to pick from a monstrous Morton's fork, the cycle is now over...
The Reapers have finished their harvest and returned to dark space...

Now you can go play Happy Wheels...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 07 novembre 2012 - 06:03 .

[CosmicGnosis]

Bill Casey wrote...

I have some great news, CosmicGnosis...
In the eight months you spent trying to pick from a monstrous Morton's fork, the cycle is now over...
The Reapers have finished their harvest and returned to dark space...

Now you can go play Happy Wheels...

I have to admit that this made me laugh. I basically stood in front of the Crucible as the Reapers continued their reaping.

[Bill Casey]

What do you think EDI on the memorial wall alongside the organic crew-members represents thematically?

What about EDI/Legion on the dead character reels?


Because to me that represents an equality with organics...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 07 novembre 2012 - 06:45 .

[BatmanTurian]

Bill Casey wrote...

What do you think EDI on the memorial wall alongside the organic crew-members represents thematically?

What about EDI/Legion on the dead character reels?


Because to me that represents an equality with organics...

Wow, that is a deep, mind-blowing point, Bill.

[CosmicGnosis]

Bill Casey wrote...

What do you think EDI on the memorial wall alongside the organic crew-members represents thematically?

What about EDI/Legion on the dead character reels?


Because to me that represents an equality with organics...

Interesting interpretation. Still kind of weird to affirm life by killing it. Kind of like affirming self-determination by violating it (Synthesis).

[BatmanTurian]

CosmicGnosis wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

What do you think EDI on the memorial wall alongside the organic crew-members represents thematically?

What about EDI/Legion on the dead character reels?


Because to me that represents an equality with organics...

Interesting interpretation. Still kind of weird to affirm life by killing it. Kind of like affirming self-determination by violating it (Synthesis).

or ensuring freedom by removing it (Control)

[Bill Casey]

Yeah, I don't think Synthesis affirms self determination at all...

[CosmicGnosis]

Bill Casey wrote...

Yeah, I don't think Synthesis affirms self determination at all...

If you take Synthesis literally, then it's a completely logical conclusion. But if you suspect a deception, then yeah...

[CosmicGnosis]

BatmanTurian wrote...

CosmicGnosis wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

What do you think EDI on the memorial wall alongside the organic crew-members represents thematically?

What about EDI/Legion on the dead character reels?


Because to me that represents an equality with organics...

Interesting interpretation. Still kind of weird to affirm life by killing it. Kind of like affirming self-determination by violating it (Synthesis).

or ensuring freedom by removing it (Control)

Yep!

[Bill Casey]

No, it isn't...
You're being perfected and having your future handed to you...

[CosmicGnosis]

Bill Casey wrote...

No, it isn't...
You're being perfected and having your future handed to you...

If Synthesis is as good as it sounds, then organics and synthetics will have control over their own development. If it's deceptive, then it fits your interpretation.

[Vigilant111]

CosmicGnosis wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

No, it isn't...
You're being perfected and having your future handed to you...

If Synthesis is as good as it sounds, then organics and synthetics will have control over their own development. If it's deceptive, then it fits your interpretation.

I think organics are more interested in controlling other people's development rather than their own

[CosmicGnosis]

Vigilant111 wrote...

CosmicGnosis wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

No, it isn't...
You're being perfected and having your future handed to you...

If Synthesis is as good as it sounds, then organics and synthetics will have control over their own development. If it's deceptive, then it fits your interpretation.

I think organics are more interested in controlling other people's development rather than their own

The idea is that they can integrate with technology and do whatever they want with their bodies. If they want to remain the same, then they can. If they want to become something exotic, then they can. If they want to join a hive-mind, then they can. If they want to remain isolated, then they can. They can live up to their own idea of "perfection".

Synthesis is vague enough to allow such an interpretation.

Modifié par CosmicGnosis, 07 novembre 2012 - 07:08 .