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[LegacyOfTheAsh]

Mr SeVerS wrote...

LegacyOfTheAsh wrote...

MuhidinSaid wrote...

LegacyOfTheAsh wrote...

Bolo Xia wrote...

Big Jack Shepard wrote...

sclera wrote...

Batarians are just awesome, lore-wise and multiplayer wise.

Quick question.

Do you think slavery and racism are awesome?

throughout  human history slavery has been acceptable for longer than it was outlawed.
so does that make all humans including you a racist slaver?

 

Their hegemony supports slavery. Any batarian that supports the hegemony is a a piece of **** in my book.

Why? Why are they a piece of sh_t? because they support a government that's legalized slavery and encourages racism? The batarians are an isolationist people, they've never been exposed to anything other than their own cultures, the ones that leave batarian space become slavers, pirates, mercenaries. If a man has been conditioned to accept racism and slavery the man isn't inherently evil, neither is the government, they don't know any other society other than their own.

Um yes. Because it is of my opinion that supporting racism and slavery is morally wrong and in no way beneficial to anyone(other than the piece of s*** slavers). The batarian hegemony is only isolationist because they were pushed back to their homeworld for being overbearing a**hats that started a proxy war because the humans were "encroaching on their land" that they hadn't made any official claims to. Not being exposed to any culture but their own? They had an embassy on the citadel for like 2000 years and still ran around acting like they owned the galaxy.

You should probably stop posting and take a walk or something - work off some steam, were all just bull****ting about videogame lore, seems like youre taking this presonally.

Nah. You're mistaking my semi-agressive debating for anger. That's what the forums are for. discussing.

[ZiRK]

MuhidinSaid wrote...

Mr SeVerS wrote...

LegacyOfTheAsh wrote...

MuhidinSaid wrote...

LegacyOfTheAsh wrote...

Bolo Xia wrote...

Big Jack Shepard wrote...

sclera wrote...

Batarians are just awesome, lore-wise and multiplayer wise.

Quick question.

Do you think slavery and racism are awesome?

throughout  human history slavery has been acceptable for longer than it was outlawed.
so does that make all humans including you a racist slaver?

 

Their hegemony supports slavery. Any batarian that supports the hegemony is a a piece of **** in my book.

Why? Why are they a piece of sh_t? because they support a government that's legalized slavery and encourages racism? The batarians are an isolationist people, they've never been exposed to anything other than their own cultures, the ones that leave batarian space become slavers, pirates, mercenaries. If a man has been conditioned to accept racism and slavery the man isn't inherently evil, neither is the government, they don't know any other society other than their own.

Um yes. Because it is of my opinion that supporting racism and slavery is morally wrong and in no way beneficial to anyone(other than the piece of s*** slavers). The batarian hegemony is only isolationist because they were pushed back to their homeworld for being overbearing a**hats that started a proxy war because the humans were "encroaching on their land" that they hadn't made any official claims to. Not being exposed to any culture but their own? They had an embassy on the citadel for like 2000 years and still ran around acting like they owned the galaxy.

You should probably stop posting and take a walk or something - work off some steam, were all just bull****ting about videogame lore, seems like youre taking this presonally.

Honestly I kinda get it, bioware obviously made the batarians a race in the game humans wouldn't like. They're racist, isolationist, slavers, run crime syndicates and drug trafficking, and hideous to boot. We're obviously not supposed to like them, if you think about it...

Those are the kind of people I grew up with, and know now lol - But I agree, with a homogenized game like ME3 (heres the obvious good guy stereotype, heres the obvious bad guy stereotype) that were indeed supposed to rustle some jimmis when they were released as allies in ME3 Multiplayer.

[LegacyOfTheAsh]

Mr SeVerS wrote...

You should probably stop posting and take a walk or something - work off some steam, were all just bull****ting about videogame lore, seems like youre taking this presonally.

Nah. You're mistaking my semi-agressive debating for anger. That's what the forums are for. discussing.

MuhidinSaid wrote...

Incorrect, the batarians were already
settling in the Skyillian Verge, they were the first to do so, the
humans colonizing planets in the Skyillian Verge(batarian territory) is
an act of war, the Citadel council refused to back the batarian claim
because they played favorites, the council knew the humans were a
stronger military power, that's all there is to it. As for slavery and
racism being morally wrong, I agree completely, but from a batarian's
viewpoint it's not, it's part of their society.

Not really hard to understand, tbh.

They were settling that territory but the entire arena was up for grabs. No one offiicially laid claims to all of the systems in the Skyllian Verge. The batarians asked for it to be offiicially labeled as their territory AFTER the fact. Their reaction was starting a proxy war. Of course everyone thinks they are the hero in their own story.

Modifié par LegacyOfTheAsh, 06 novembre 2012 - 07:54 .

[CitizenThom]

Batarians are like faster, better moving Krogan, I've always enjoyed playing them. I've only played ME2 and ME3, so I've never caught Batarians doing anything bad... so it's hard to have a prejudice against them.

Oh wait...I forgot that one time when they attacked a human colony... and Sheppard had to choose...

But other than that...

Modifié par CitizenThom, 06 novembre 2012 - 07:56 .

[MuhidinSaid]

LegacyOfTheAsh wrote...

Mr SeVerS wrote...

You should probably stop posting and take a walk or something - work off some steam, were all just bull****ting about videogame lore, seems like youre taking this presonally.

Nah. You're mistaking my semi-agressive debating for anger. That's what the forums are for. discussing.

MuhidinSaid wrote...

Incorrect, the batarians were already
settling in the Skyillian Verge, they were the first to do so, the
humans colonizing planets in the Skyillian Verge(batarian territory) is
an act of war, the Citadel council refused to back the batarian claim
because they played favorites, the council knew the humans were a
stronger military power, that's all there is to it. As for slavery and
racism being morally wrong, I agree completely, but from a batarian's
viewpoint it's not, it's part of their society.

Not really hard to understand, tbh.

They were settling that territory but the entire arena was up for grabs. No one offiicially laid claims to all of the systems in the Skyllian Verge. The batarians asked for it to be offiicially labeled as their territory AFTER the fact. Their reaction was starting a proxy war. Of course everyone thinks they are the hero in their own story.

The batarians were already actively settling that area, the galaxy is a big place, the humans could've settled elsewhere, the batarians were there first, it's theirs IMO. They were in the right by starting a proxy war, the systems alliance was stronger, to engage them in a full-scale war would've been foolish, funding mercenaries, pirates, and slavers to carry out raids on human colonies to scare away/kill humans from colonizing the Verge is very logical.

[Zorinho20_CRO]

MuhidinSaid wrote...

If I remember correctly, the label "bloodthirsty warrior" could equally be applied to Spartans and Romans. The Aztecs themselves promoted education in spite of their bizarre sacrifical rituals, every culture has their ups and downs.

I meant in a way they valued total discipline and tactics.
Edit.
But I´m not the historian nor military expert,so I would not discuss it further.

Modifié par zorinho20, 06 novembre 2012 - 08:05 .

[Valmar]

I have not now nor will I ever have any remorse for what my Shepard did on Arrival, lets just put it that way.

I'm not usually one for full-on racism but... yeah. Batarians are scum. I generally think Asari are ****s but I don't really hold it against them or judge them for it because its really quite different for Asari than it is human. I try not to hold them to human standards because there are a lot of significant differences that makes it unfair to do so.

If I didn't read any of the codecs, I'd probably be alright with Batarians. Sure, you met terrorists and theres a lot of stuff with them being barbaric. But one could compare it to Cerberus. Especially in the third game. Cerberus does some really sick stuff. I wouldn't want people judging all humans because of some insane terrorist human group like them. So I try not to do so with the Batarians. But then you take into account that slavery is part of their society. These aren't just ruthless radicals you're seeing. These terrorists actually do represent their race as a whole.

Sure, theres probably plenty of batarian slaves, I have no doubt that they're just as bad to their own people as they are to others, probably more so. But still. Its a race of slavers. We're not talking about some radical terrorist groups here. We're talking about their entire culture and government. Slavery is "normal" to them. This may not mean they're all pro-murder. Look at the mission with Terra Nova, Bring down the Sky. The second in command was all "I didnt want to go along with this, this was suppose to be a simple slaving run." So casual, no real shame in it.

I may be able to overlook the Asari's... exploits due to extreme culture and biological differences, but I draw a line with slavery. The batarians are disgusting. Doesn't mean I'd execute the survivors of the reaper war or anything. Hell, with their worlds destroyed and government ruined maybe now they actually have hope of making a new civilization that isnt filled with slavers, bigots and general corruption.

[LegacyOfTheAsh]

MuhidinSaid wrote...

LegacyOfTheAsh wrote...

Mr SeVerS wrote...

You should probably stop posting and take a walk or something - work off some steam, were all just bull****ting about videogame lore, seems like youre taking this presonally.

Nah. You're mistaking my semi-agressive debating for anger. That's what the forums are for. discussing.

MuhidinSaid wrote...

Incorrect, the batarians were already
settling in the Skyillian Verge, they were the first to do so, the
humans colonizing planets in the Skyillian Verge(batarian territory) is
an act of war, the Citadel council refused to back the batarian claim
because they played favorites, the council knew the humans were a
stronger military power, that's all there is to it. As for slavery and
racism being morally wrong, I agree completely, but from a batarian's
viewpoint it's not, it's part of their society.

Not really hard to understand, tbh.

They were settling that territory but the entire arena was up for grabs. No one offiicially laid claims to all of the systems in the Skyllian Verge. The batarians asked for it to be offiicially labeled as their territory AFTER the fact. Their reaction was starting a proxy war. Of course everyone thinks they are the hero in their own story.

The batarians were already actively settling that area, the galaxy is a big place, the humans could've settled elsewhere, the batarians were there first, it's theirs IMO. They were in the right by starting a proxy war, the systems alliance was stronger, to engage them in a full-scale war would've been foolish, funding mercenaries, pirates, and slavers to carry out raids on human colonies to scare away/kill humans from colonizing the Verge is very logical.

Lol yes it's logicial but I'm looking at it from the stance of an actual living being with values. It wasn't right to just start killing and enslaving humans because of colonization. The batarians already had a bad track record of catalyzing hostilities by annexing other worlds that had literally already been settled.

[xsdob]

Pyth the Bull wrote...

It really seemed like Bioware down played them through the course of the series. I will admit that I did enjoy the Saren torture scene in the first book though.

You monster. What about jella?

[MuhidinSaid]

LegacyOfTheAsh wrote...

MuhidinSaid wrote...

LegacyOfTheAsh wrote...

Mr SeVerS wrote...

You should probably stop posting and take a walk or something - work off some steam, were all just bull****ting about videogame lore, seems like youre taking this presonally.

Nah. You're mistaking my semi-agressive debating for anger. That's what the forums are for. discussing.

MuhidinSaid wrote...

Incorrect, the batarians were already
settling in the Skyillian Verge, they were the first to do so, the
humans colonizing planets in the Skyillian Verge(batarian territory) is
an act of war, the Citadel council refused to back the batarian claim
because they played favorites, the council knew the humans were a
stronger military power, that's all there is to it. As for slavery and
racism being morally wrong, I agree completely, but from a batarian's
viewpoint it's not, it's part of their society.

Not really hard to understand, tbh.

They were settling that territory but the entire arena was up for grabs. No one offiicially laid claims to all of the systems in the Skyllian Verge. The batarians asked for it to be offiicially labeled as their territory AFTER the fact. Their reaction was starting a proxy war. Of course everyone thinks they are the hero in their own story.

The batarians were already actively settling that area, the galaxy is a big place, the humans could've settled elsewhere, the batarians were there first, it's theirs IMO. They were in the right by starting a proxy war, the systems alliance was stronger, to engage them in a full-scale war would've been foolish, funding mercenaries, pirates, and slavers to carry out raids on human colonies to scare away/kill humans from colonizing the Verge is very logical.

Lol yes it's logicial but I'm looking at it from the stance of an actual living being with values. It wasn't right to just start killing and enslaving humans because of colonization. The batarians already had a bad track record of catalyzing hostilities by annexing other worlds that had literally already been settled.

No it wasn't, but to the hegemony, any human, civilian or soldier, actively settling in the Verge is the enemy, they're endorsing the System Alliance's efforts to colonize the area, they're supporting the occupation of batarian land.

From a batarian point of view, it's hard not to see humans as anything other than scum.

[MajorStupidity]

The batarians in the story have always been a race I love to hate. The extreme xenophobia and racism towards the other races (humanity in particular) along with an strong case of Isolationism makes them an interesting race to me. I would love to get a glimpse of Khar'shan and the batarian hegemony in the next ME game.

[xsdob]

LegacyOfTheAsh wrote...

MuhidinSaid wrote...

LegacyOfTheAsh wrote...

Mr SeVerS wrote...

You should probably stop posting and take a walk or something - work off some steam, were all just bull****ting about videogame lore, seems like youre taking this presonally.

Nah. You're mistaking my semi-agressive debating for anger. That's what the forums are for. discussing.

MuhidinSaid wrote...

Incorrect, the batarians were already
settling in the Skyillian Verge, they were the first to do so, the
humans colonizing planets in the Skyillian Verge(batarian territory) is
an act of war, the Citadel council refused to back the batarian claim
because they played favorites, the council knew the humans were a
stronger military power, that's all there is to it. As for slavery and
racism being morally wrong, I agree completely, but from a batarian's
viewpoint it's not, it's part of their society.

Not really hard to understand, tbh.

They were settling that territory but the entire arena was up for grabs. No one offiicially laid claims to all of the systems in the Skyllian Verge. The batarians asked for it to be offiicially labeled as their territory AFTER the fact. Their reaction was starting a proxy war. Of course everyone thinks they are the hero in their own story.

The batarians were already actively settling that area, the galaxy is a big place, the humans could've settled elsewhere, the batarians were there first, it's theirs IMO. They were in the right by starting a proxy war, the systems alliance was stronger, to engage them in a full-scale war would've been foolish, funding mercenaries, pirates, and slavers to carry out raids on human colonies to scare away/kill humans from colonizing the Verge is very logical.

Lol yes it's logicial but I'm looking at it from the stance of an actual living being with values. It wasn't right to just start killing and enslaving humans because of colonization. The batarians already had a bad track record of catalyzing hostilities by annexing other worlds that had literally already been settled.

In all honesty I think there is precedence for their bitter attitude against the other council races.

Consider they were one of the earliest races discovered, it is very likley that they served as the guardians of the council, the same role that turians and krogans served in. Now imagine that everythings going good, nice little cultural alliance between salarians, asari, and batarians.

than come the rachni, butchering the councils army, slaughtering their powerhouse race the batarians. Than come the salarians with the krogan, and guess who get's the boot from helping to protect the council? Than the krogan rebellion happen, and guess who gets the boot again in favor of the turians. Think about the indignity of being one of the oldest races discovred, and than being replaced by two new comer races. Than along comes the humans, and it's the same song and dance all over again.

That's my take on it, it doesn't seem like they started to lash out against the council races and started to annex worlds until after the krogan rebellions end, so that might be a possible explination.

[MuhidinSaid]

Cyonan wrote...

BetrayerOfNihil wrote...

Cyonan wrote...
Though hatesurfing is rather amusing.

What does this 'surfing' thing refer to? I see that a lot on here somehow regarding Batarians.

Use shockwave on unprotected target and heavy melee at the same time.

You slide across the map towards where your Shockwave flung the target you just melee'd.

I've done this on the soldier, but I imagine the range is increased when he uses shockwave.

Ha...awesome, makes up for him not having a dodge.

[LegacyOfTheAsh]

MuhidinSaid wrote...

No it wasn't, but to the hegemony, any human, civilian or soldier, actively settling in the Verge is the enemy, they're endorsing the System Alliance's efforts to colonize the area, they're supporting the occupation of batarian land.

From a batarian point of view, it's hard not to see humans as anything other than scum.

Well I'm not debating whether or not humans are viewed this way by the hegemony. I see their point of view and to me it's a narrow-minded, selfish point of view. If they wanted sympathy from the council they shouldn't have tried to take over settled planets and then turned around in such a contradictory manner when it happened to them with no hostilities aimed at them. They got so infuriated when unsettled worlds were being being settled in a region of the galaxy they were attemting to take over. Then they threw a tantrum, left the citadel, and decided to go to war. It's their own fault for not going to the councill beforehand and saying, "Hey, we want the Skyllian Verge so no one can come in okay?" They waited until there was competition to ask for official claims to the land. Too little, too late. We will just have to agree to disagree though I guess.

Modifié par LegacyOfTheAsh, 06 novembre 2012 - 08:20 .

[MuhidinSaid]

LegacyOfTheAsh wrote...

MuhidinSaid wrote...

No it wasn't, but to the hegemony, any human, civilian or soldier, actively settling in the Verge is the enemy, they're endorsing the System Alliance's efforts to colonize the area, they're supporting the occupation of batarian land.

From a batarian point of view, it's hard not to see humans as anything other than scum.

Well I'm not debating whether or not humans are viewed this way by the hegemony. I see their point of view and to me it's a narrow-minded, selfish point of view. If they wanted sympathy from the council they shouldn't have tried to take over settled planets and then turned around in such a contradictory manner when it happened to them with no hostilities aimed at them. They got so infuriated when unsettled worlds were being being settled in a region of the galaxy they were attemting totake over. It's their own fault for not going to the council beforehand and saying, "Hey, we want the Skyllian Verge so no one can come in okay?" They waited until there was competition to ask for official claims to the land. Too little, too late. We will just have to agree to disagree though I guess.

That stuff with the salarians and asari colonies is unrelated though, but it probably influenced the council enough to ignore batarian requests. I think the citadel council is just ultimately hostile and wary to client races they can't control. To them the humans are more pliant and eager to be part of the galactic community, the batarians are probably all just like " i do what I want", big no-no in intergalactic relations.

Modifié par MuhidinSaid, 06 novembre 2012 - 08:20 .

[ManOfSteel]

MuhidinSaid wrote...


You don't like the Quarian jiggly-bum bum?

If I didn't know that every quarian female had the same assets as Tali I'd probably list em lower.

Ugh. Quarians.

As for the OP, the fact that the Batarians are willing to fight with the other races raises them up a bit in my books, although they're still jerks.

[LegacyOfTheAsh]

MuhidinSaid wrote...

LegacyOfTheAsh wrote...

MuhidinSaid wrote...

No it wasn't, but to the hegemony, any human, civilian or soldier, actively settling in the Verge is the enemy, they're endorsing the System Alliance's efforts to colonize the area, they're supporting the occupation of batarian land.

From a batarian point of view, it's hard not to see humans as anything other than scum.

Well I'm not debating whether or not humans are viewed this way by the hegemony. I see their point of view and to me it's a narrow-minded, selfish point of view. If they wanted sympathy from the council they shouldn't have tried to take over settled planets and then turned around in such a contradictory manner when it happened to them with no hostilities aimed at them. They got so infuriated when unsettled worlds were being being settled in a region of the galaxy they were attemting totake over. It's their own fault for not going to the council beforehand and saying, "Hey, we want the Skyllian Verge so no one can come in okay?" They waited until there was competition to ask for official claims to the land. Too little, too late. We will just have to agree to disagree though I guess.

That stuff with the salarians and asari colonies is unrelated though, but it probably influenced the council enough to ignore batarian requests. I think the citadel council is just ultimately hostile and wary to client races they can't control. To them the humans are more pliant and eager to be part of the galactic community, the batarians are probably all just like " i do what I want", big no-no in intergalactic relations.

Lol pretty much. The council does like the agreeables.

[Supermarkiisi]

Short answer: yes. Batarians are awesome.

[Idahoh]

Slavers, isolasionnists, racists... etc... Ok, but above all (and because of it) combat oriented and aggressive.
--> perfectly fitting in the multiplayer mode.
To be clear, my vision of batarian didn't change because the reason why they were disliked enemies is the very reason why they're perfect allies. Just like krogans, bad guys, tough guys ^^ the difference is that the ME storyline didn't made shepard sympathize with a marginal batarian. (and that krogans are sexy as hell ofc...)

[SierraGHOSTN7]

NO. I HATE them and because of this I don't play them.
I couldn't stand that.

[Liamv2]

Before this becomes a huge argument to sum it up we hate the hegemony but like batarians that also hate the hegemony

Modifié par Liamv2, 06 novembre 2012 - 08:57 .

[Clearly Balkan]

No, they're still useless Omega scum.

I've felt so good blowing up Bahak system.

Modifié par Clearly Balkan, 06 novembre 2012 - 09:03 .

[MuhidinSaid]

Clearly Balkan wrote...

No, they're still useless Omega scum.

I've felt so good blowing up Bahak system.

You should be locked up!

[Kaithalas]

BUTT-arians.

Enough said. Aliens with butts for faces.

[MuhidinSaid]

Kaithalas wrote...

BUTT-arians.

Enough said. Aliens with butts for faces.

nou