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[dreman9999]

Big Jack Shepard wrote...

Do you remember the woman who had been forced into slavery that Shepard had to confront on the docks in ME1?

No, my view of Batarians has not changed.

So batarian arethe only slavers. I remeber killing many slaves of dirent races in ME1.

[Ziegrif]

Pyth the Bull wrote...

The first book is actually pretty decent and gives a lot of back story on plot characters. I won't try to spoil anything, but yes, there are some "adult" themes placed in the novels.

I am going in expecting smut of the highest caliber.
WOOOOOH!~
Well unless I start reading that other psychology book about Psycophatic syndrome. 
Interesting stuff.

Modifié par Ziegrif, 06 novembre 2012 - 11:29 .

[IndigoVitare]

MuhidinSaid wrote...

racists, isolationists and they really care a lot about class status(if you care to read up on batarian lore).

Basically the Daily Mail.

[UK journalism joke]

Yeah, I really like them now. Falcon Punch will do that. I mean morally unsound, yes, but their species is much more interesting to me now. The Reapers might have been genocidal, but I like them too.

Modifié par IndigoVitare, 06 novembre 2012 - 11:15 .

[woodenjigsaw]

megawug wrote...

Now that I know they are the greatest surfers in the galaxy, I have a lot more respect for them.

[CaoSlayer]

Racism is when you asume that everyone from one race acts exactky the same just because they are from that race, you don't assume that they are normal humans each with a personality and background but a walking esterotype.

You should despise Batarian slavers because they are slavers not because they are batarians.

[mrs_anomaly]

Doctor Proctor wrote...

Schneidend wrote...

I think ME2 and ME3 did a good job of separating the normal batarians who may or may not have been manipulated by their government into thinking they don't like humans, and the terrorist/pirate/slaver monstrosities that Shepard ends up fighting a lot.

Marsh the shop owner on Omega? Perfectly reasonable guy.
Batarian-civilian-conversing-with-Frenchman? Good guy who needed a little help to get over his indoctrinated racism.
Balak? Complete lunatic mass murderer.

That, more than anything, made me like the Batarians.  Seeing how the Batarian just could NOT give a crap, and was probably holding back for fear of getting arrested, as this human talked to him was expected.  Coming back repeatedly to see them find common ground and, one would hope, perhaps even develop something of a friendship really showed that they were capable of stepping up.

I also liked the group seeking comfort in their cultural/religious past during these dark times.  Firstly, it's a very "human" reaction (in the sense that it's something that humans often do themselves), and secondly it shows that they have a rich cultural history beyond just "Humans suck!" and "MOAR SLAVES PREEZ".

mrs_anomaly wrote...

No- they are still dirty slavers of
human beings. So yes, the enemy of my enemy is my friend- but I wouldn't
ever go as far as to say "I like them". They are horrible to humans and
treat us like animal pets to be abused. Hell no.

Not picking on this poster specifically, she's just the most recent one in the thread for me to copy.  Attitudes like this are, frankly, completely racist.  Ironically, they're just as bad as the thing that they're hating...  It's obvious that not all Batarians are slavers or hate humans, otherwise we wouldn't have some of the characters in the game that Schneidend mentioned.  We also wouldn't have Batarians joinin the Alliance to fight the Reapers in multiplayer.

In fact, to a certain extent those Batarian Soldiers, Sentinels and Vanguards are MORE heroic than some of the other races.  They're not fighting for their home, because it's already destroyed.  They're not fighting to save lives, because they already lost most of their people.  They're fighting for a bit of revenge, sure, but they're also putting their lives on the line to save the rest of the galaxy.  After losing so much, they're putting everything they have left on the line to join the fight...that's pretty BA as far as I'm concerned.

I would bet that most anyone wouldn't go down without a fight including obviously the Batarians. Even if Earth was completely obliterated I'm positive Humans would still be elsewhere in the galaxy trying to give the Reapers what they deserve. 

I do not think that every single Batarian is a slaver but their species is especially emphasized throughout the entire trilogy as being whole heartedly interested in enslaving humans. We hear about it repeatedly- and they are notorious for this. Do you think it matters to an enslaved people that "only some" of their enemy approves of their slavery?! No. I would wager that most free humans of the ME universe don't want to venture into Batarian territory EVER becuase they know what they are to the Batarians. 
Now- just becuase I depise the Batarians- do not misunderstand me. I was disheartened to learn that their system was destroyed- and I have yet to finish the Arrival DLC (I think that's the one that you end up nuking their system? or whatever?). But I hate that Shepard has to do it. I always save the Rachni- even though there's really no concrete reason to unless you are talking about an absolute adherence to the highest ethical considerations. I always try to save the dying Batarian on Omega- because just because I might despise his species and their practices- I wouldn't stoop to the same things you see? I don't believe in wiping out entire species just because we have acrimony between us. I always cooperate with the Batarian on the Citadel in the holding docks. And I would treat any of the surviving Batarians with cautious respect given their presence in the war against the Reaper invasion. 

But does that have to mean I have to love them? Or like them? No. That doesn't make me a racist- that makes me a smart person. Why should I ever try to hold them in any light of affection when they would gladly utilize our children as slaves?! Englightenment seems to occur occasionally- already mentioned within this thread that there are moments in the ME universe where Batarians show another side. I'll accept that. I don't think they are "just slavers" but I sure as hell remember trying to save that slave girl in ME2. I also remember all the other horrible moments with them. 

I can be pro human and still tolerate and even appreciate the other species- and I do. It isn't completely black and white. 

[mrs_anomaly]

CaoSlayer wrote...

Racism is when you asume that everyone from one race acts exactky the same just because they are from that race, you don't assume that they are normal humans each with a personality and background but a walking esterotype.

You should despise Batarian slavers because they are slavers not because they are batarians.

And this is precisely my issue with any Batarian. I cannot stand slavery- if you are a slaver- no matter what or who you are I will not abide by you. 

[Urbynwyldcat]

Occasionally, you'd come across a decent Batarian. I know it's fictional, but you gotta admire a species that is ruled with an iron fist, encourages slavery and creates the most painful weapons in the galaxy, yet still spawns decent, good-hearted and honourable souls. Their voices are also cool.

[N7 Whiskey]

Batarians are the scum of the Milky Way, but I'm happy to have them as allies in the fight against the Reapers. However, once this war is over we should cleanse the galaxy of all Batarians. Maybe round 'em up and dump them on the Yahg homeworld.

[Asebstos]

mrs_anomaly wrote...

CaoSlayer wrote...

Racism is when you asume that everyone from one race acts exactky the same just because they are from that race, you don't assume that they are normal humans each with a personality and background but a walking esterotype.

You should despise Batarian slavers because they are slavers not because they are batarians.

And this is precisely my issue with any Batarian. I cannot stand slavery- if you are a slaver- no matter what or who you are I will not abide by you. 

Reading comprehension not your thing?

Modifié par Asebstos, 07 novembre 2012 - 02:28 .

[Gneisenau 19]

http://social.biowar.../index/12889973

[Gneisenau 19]

Now i know most players look down on the Batarians an see them as jerks, but look deeper into the lore, story, an their history an they're no different than everyone else, they deserve a chance like everyone else, an a decrease in Batarian haters would be nice lol :
The Batarians are actually nice people like nearly all the other
races but the extremely strict nationalist Batarian Hegemony would not
allow ANYBODY but the slave traders, mercs, an outlaws to leave Kar'shan
or the colonies. So basically only the ass holes were allowed to leave
Batarian Space, while most of the innocent an nice people were turned
into Cannibals during the first wave of the invasion. Sad really.
Also, once the Batarian Hegemony collapsed they didn't have
anyone watching over they're sholder, EDI said herself that without the
Hegemony watchin everyone the Batarian people are coming in an helping
out. The Hegemony used Soviet style propaganda to make a lot of
Batarians think that the rest of the Galaxy was out to get them, but this was
not true. But if you learn the story about why they closed their embassy you'll understand why they seem bitter, they did get screwed over when Humanity entered the galactic community. And a small side note, their navy used to sit between the Alliance an Turian navies before the invasion.

[Nova-SheperdXD]

 Singleplayer?, no they're still lowlife criminal scum.

Multiplayer?...Frak. Yes, ever since I got my hands on the Batguard I can now...

[mrs_anomaly]

Asebstos wrote...

mrs_anomaly wrote...

CaoSlayer wrote...

Racism is when you asume that everyone from one race acts exactky the same just because they are from that race, you don't assume that they are normal humans each with a personality and background but a walking esterotype.

You should despise Batarian slavers because they are slavers not because they are batarians.

And this is precisely my issue with any Batarian. I cannot stand slavery- if you are a slaver- no matter what or who you are I will not abide by you. 

Reading comprehension not your thing?

 

Being a jerk yours? 

ETA: I mistyped that statement- what I meant to say is that I don't hate them just becuase they Batarians. I dislike their social practices. Actually- I hate slavery- and they enjoy slavery. So yep-that's an issue. 

Modifié par mrs_anomaly, 07 novembre 2012 - 02:38 .

[doozerdude]

I always liked them, batarians/krogan are my favorite aliens in the ME universe.

Aside from dat assari ofc

[N7Dropout1]

It doesn't really matter what I think of them. Their race has been almost completely wiped out by the Reapers.

[Snake_Squeezins]

The Batarians on Omega in ME2 weren't all negative. The radio station is comedy gold. The Blue Sun guy you talk with seems like a decent dude. And the guy you meet dying on the street can warm up. Outside of Omega there just aren't enough Batarians to come to much of a conclusion. Maybe the upcoming DLC will give us some more depth to plumb.

I'd agree that the Batarian government seems pretty awful and Batarians in general seem like they grow up in a tough neighborhood and have to develop thick skin.

[DSxCallOfBooty-]

 I've always liked the Batarians.  My avatar on the BSN was a Batarian for a very long time, until I changed it to Volus upon Retaliation's release.

The Batarian MP classes are all a lot of fun to play, and the weapons they use are great too.  Batarians are one of my favorite races in ME, right up there with Quarians, Geth (if you want to call them a race), Vorcha and Krogans.

[ToaOrka]

Hell yeah.

Batarians are sexy beasts.

[WildHog70]

There have always been Batarians that seemed reasonable since Bring Down the Sky. They were just always under the influence of crazy or desperate Batarians/Gang leaders. I'm pretty sure the Batarians are based on North Korea. Crazy people in charge, but the majority of them are regular folks in a horrible situation. We just don't see how they live.

Also, the majority of Batarians we see are in the Terminus Systems. Their government is essentially using the Batarian outcasts and criminals as privateers to hurt human expansion.

Edit: Grammar

Modifié par WildHog70, 07 novembre 2012 - 03:14 .

[D Wrecks]

No and frankly, I'm not convinced almost everyone else isn't a bunch of ****s either. Think of the First Contact War. The humans could legitimately say in all honestly, "We had no idea what we were doing." So how did the Turians respond? They decided to kill humans instead of, oh I don't know, intercept and say, "Hey guys, you should slow down."

[Asebstos]

N7Dropout1 wrote...

It doesn't really matter what I think of them. Their race has been almost completely wiped out by the Reapers.

Not really. They got hit first, but it isn't like the Reapers harvested all of them in just a few months. Its stated that it would take a decade to depoluate Earth, so its very likely there are still many millions of Batarians on occupied Kar'Shan.

[MuhidinSaid]

Just Cav wrote...

No and frankly, I'm not convinced almost everyone else isn't a bunch of ****s either. Think of the First Contact War. The humans could legitimately say in all honestly, "We had no idea what we were doing." So how did the Turians respond? They decided to kill humans instead of, oh I don't know, intercept and say, "Hey guys, you should slow down."

The Turians overreacted, no doubt about it, they weren`t around during the Rachni wars, but I`m pretty sure that explorers opening as many relays as they could haunts the council to this day, you never know what`s out there, most likely the Turians and the council races interpreted the rapid opening of relays as an act of deliberate provocation by a very hostile race, and tried to contain them before they opened a relay connecting to a system populated by cannibalistic bugmen or whatever...

Modifié par MuhidinSaid, 08 novembre 2012 - 10:17 .

[Xeonzs]

Yes, I think they are badass survivors now instead of a hateful dying species.

[Bastila_Rules]

I always loved the batarians. They're the planet's biggest badasses, even more so than the krogan since they don't self-destruct but are smart enough to really organize themselves. Like Zaeed said, they'll turn an entire planet into a glass parking lot without giving it a second thought.
I never inherently despised batarians, although a couple of them are criminal scum (but then, any race has its antagonists (Saren, Golo, Tazzik, lots of krogan and geth,...) They're not much worse than the pre-Wrex krogan in my opinion, but when playing as Shepard you never get a batarian squadmate, and are thus unable to get more insight in the mind of a batarian and his/her culture. I mean, quarians, turians, salarians, krogan, geth,... They all committed genocide at some point yet none of them are seen as inherently evil. I never judged the batarians either.

So yes, when they were announced as playable characters I was overjoyed, and the more I play with them, the more I like them; not just the kits, but the race in general. Even Balak, one of the most 'evil' batarians, realizes that they need to work together, and I like very much how the multiplayer reflects that.