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[Kogia]

Finally figured out how to get Decoy working for me and I'm so pleased I can at last really enjoy the Salarian Engineer the way I knew he could be. Energy Drain works great with Decoy to keep the guy very tanky and nicely stuns enemies for those headshots, but am I just a gimped SI using the Javelin? Obviously carrying such a heavy weapon removes any chance of self-tech bursts as well, so would I be more effective with a much lighter sniper like the Indra or even Mantis?

[Scutshakes]

If you use the javelin you're going to be able to use Energy Drain approximately every 3 minutes. Definitely use something much lighter.

[synapsefire]

Javelin is perfectly viable on him I should think. Using the build in my signature, you can replace the Claymore with the Javelin and cause some real havoc.

[Kogia]

Scutshakes wrote...

If you use the javelin you're going to be able to use Energy Drain approximately every 3 minutes. Definitely use something much lighter.

mm hmm, thanks, always great to start a genuine advice and opinion help thread with a signifcantly large over-exaggeration, I like your style.

[Kogia]

synapsefire wrote...

Javelin is perfectly viable on him I should think. Using the build in my signature, you can replace the Claymore with the Javelin and cause some real havoc.

Excellent thanks, funnily enough your 3 builds in your sig (FQI, Shadow & SE) are the 3 kits I'm currently trying to find builds that work for me.

[gitwer]

Kogia wrote...

Scutshakes wrote...

If you use the javelin you're going to be able to use Energy Drain approximately every 3 minutes. Definitely use something much lighter.

mm hmm, thanks, always great to start a genuine advice and opinion help thread with a signifcantly large over-exaggeration, I like your style.

You asked for an opinion and it was clear s/he meant that Javelin's too heavy to effectively use the Engineer's bread-and-butter powerset, yet you gave him/her grief anyway.  Then you offer gratitude to someone who gave your proposed build the thumbs-up.

So do you want honest opinions, or are you looking for validation?

Modifié par gitwer, 06 novembre 2012 - 09:21 .

[Vanelsa]

What level is your Javelin? With a Javelin X, your cooldown for Energy Drain is going to be 5.52 seconds. A Mantis X and Widow X will give you 2.81 and 4.32 second cooldowns respectively. Unlike Tactical Cloak on the Salarian Infiltrator, you won't be able to reduce the cooldown time with the Engineer (with equipment or gear).

It's do-able, but a lighter sniper rifle (than the Javelin) might be better suited for your Salarian Engineer. Indra's good and so is the Black Widow (at X, it's as light as a Widow X).

[Rehab Grimace]

Geth w/ Javelin is the way I roll. The geth weapon bonus makes even a low level Javelin ridiculous.

[Doc-Jek]

I prefer GI/GE with Jav, just because you can see enemies through walls before you go into scope, which is actually spectacularly useful. The bonus damage to Geth weapons is nice too...

Modifié par Doc-Jek, 06 novembre 2012 - 09:27 .

[Kogia]

gitwer wrote...


You asked for an opinion and it was clear s/he meant that Javelin's too heavy to effectively use the Engineer's bread-and-butter powerset, yet you gave him/her grief anyway. Then you offer gratitude to someone who gave your proposed build the thumbs-up.

So do you want honest opinions, or are you looking for validation?

No, they made a wry comment and so did I, no offense or grief was intended on either part I think.

I genuinely want opinions, happy for all kinds, even pseudo-psychoanalysis of what I seek also accepted. Just to be clear, no validation is required as I'm comfortable to admit I don't know what will work most effectively. Did you have any experience to offer an opinion of the topic, or do you just ride in to random threads like a shining white knight defender?

Modifié par Kogia, 06 novembre 2012 - 09:36 .

[Credit2team]

not a bad idea per say
but even with SR weight reduction cooldowns will be painfully long

i'd like to be able to Ed an incinerate more than once per hour.

[Black Phantom]

Not a good idea, even at level X.

If you want a sniper rifle with real stopping power, use the Saber instead. (technically an AR, but has more in common with the Valiant and the Black Widow than other ARs)

[UKStory135]

I prefer the Kishock, It is lighter, hits harder and the button configurations actually work better for the charge mechanic on console.

[Kogia]

Vanelsa wrote...

What level is your Javelin? With a Javelin X, your cooldown for Energy Drain is going to be 5.52 seconds. A Mantis X and Widow X will give you 2.81 and 4.32 second cooldowns respectively. Unlike Tactical Cloak on the Salarian Infiltrator, you won't be able to reduce the cooldown time with the Engineer (with equipment or gear).

It's do-able, but a lighter sniper rifle (than the Javelin) might be better suited for your Salarian Engineer. Indra's good and so is the Black Widow (at X, it's as light as a Widow X).

Thanks, my Javelin is at 5 and my BW is at 4, so X is a long way off, I was thinking of trying the BW, but I don't think its weight drops a lot in the later levels.

It does look like most people are suggesting the Javelin might not be the most effective choice of gun to use on this character.

How about the Krysae, is that still considered nerfed to death?

Modifié par Kogia, 06 novembre 2012 - 09:45 .

[Black Phantom]

The Krysae is nothing more than a CC tool that can benefit from the level 6 TC damage bonus.

I wouldn't use it on anything but an Infiltrator. Kishock, Collector Sniper Rifle, Indra, Saber or Viper are all better choices imo

[Vanelsa]

Don't have much experience using the Krysae, so can't help you there. Ashen's suggestion of using the Saber is a good one, as well as a leveled up, scoped Paladin. Energy Drain followed by a few headshots.

Find a weapon with good synergy with your power cooldowns. Power, shoot, reload cancel with the next power, repeat. Use Narida's class Builder to find suitable combos.

Or... you could put a Tempest on your SE and do tech bursts non-stop.

Modifié par Vanelsa, 06 novembre 2012 - 09:52 .

[synapsefire]

With my Javelin X ED cd is at 3.9 sec which is perfectly acceptable. My Claymore build was at 3.7 sec and that worked out really well and you can get ED down to 3.3 sec by choosing Recharge over Drain.

I'll probably run a bunch of snipers on him when I do the 200 waves for Council Operative, too bad the new mods with added weight won't play well with him.

[Kogia]

Again thanks, I've recently been using the Saber with my Shadow (just dropped it for the Crusader today), I never found it to be a great weapon, is there some extra advantage in using it over a 'real' sniper rifle?

Perhaps I should have asked a different question, is there a good spot to keep a SE cooldowns at? Then I can choose a weapon based on aiming for that weight restriction.

Vanelsa, are you thinking that I wouldn't be playing a SE to its strengths if I'm not aiming for tech bursts then? So keep cooldowns as close to 200% as possible?

[LeandroBraz]

I think you can do a extremely better job with less weight and a weapon using ammo with effect (incendiary, cryo, disruptor), focusing on explosions. Do you already tried the scorpion? She have an awesome synergy with Salarian Engineer. Decoy keep the enemies in one place, scorpion do area damage and spread ammo effect, drain energy do explosions (and recover your shield), same for incinerate. It's a machine of destruction, mostly against geth.

[Black Phantom]

Kogia wrote...

Again thanks, I've recently been using the Saber with my Shadow (just dropped it for the Crusader today), I never found it to be a great weapon, is there some extra advantage in using it over a 'real' sniper rifle?

The better question is "what advantage does a real sniper rifle offer that isn't already covered by the Saber or Paladin"

And the answer is the level 6 damage bonus in Tactical Cloak. The heavy sniper rifles in this game shouldn't be used by non-Infiltrators since their weight relative to the damage that they do isn't worth it.

[Vanelsa]

The SE is a very versatile class, and I play him using a variety of weapon loadouts.

Sometimes I want to do constant tech bursts, so I pair my SE with a lightweight gun that can spam bullets (i.e. Tempest, Collector SMG, etc.). Other times, I play him with a Valiant, Saber, or Paladin and go energy drain sniping.

As the previous poster said, the Scorpion is also a great gun for the SE.

[Shampoohorn]

Kogia wrote...

Again thanks, I've recently been using the Saber with my Shadow (just dropped it for the Crusader today), I never found it to be a great weapon, is there some extra advantage in using it over a 'real' sniper rifle?

Perhaps I should have asked a different question, is there a good spot to keep a SE cooldowns at? Then I can choose a weapon based on aiming for that weight restriction.

Vanelsa, are you thinking that I wouldn't be playing a SE to its strengths if I'm not aiming for tech bursts then? So keep cooldowns as close to 200% as possible?

For engineers, cooldown dictates playstyle.  Heavy weapons require some synergy between a weapon and a power.  Light weapons are ideal for kits or builds that require heavy usage of two powers. 

I use the Widow on my 6/0/6/6/6 HumEng, relying on my drone for distraction and overload as my primary power spam @ ~ 3.3s cooldown.  With distruptor ammo, I'm pretty much guaranteed a tech burst every time I cast overload.  I've got a good shot at top score with that build&strategy.  I don't think the Widow would work as well on 3-power Salarian or F.Quarian builds though.  And the Javelin would weigh down all three engineer kits too much, IMO.

I really like using the Javelin on my geth engineer, specced for rate of fire and all cooldown bonuses.  That's where I put it to the most use.

[capn233]

If you have a Javelin X you can run an SE and get a 3.48s Energy Drain recharge, if you take the Recharge Speed at Rank 5, and go Capacity and Sniper Rifles in passive.

I don't think this makes a whole lot of sense for the reasons Ashen and others mentioned. The power to weight on the Javelin isn't terribly good without a cloak bonus.

Personally I prefer running something like the Saber and just generating tech combos repeatedly. I suppose if you just really wanted to run the Javelin you could, but you will likely be disappointed at your killing speed versus higher level enemies. It isn't like on GI or SI where you get a bunch of bonuses to the Javelin as well as debuffing with Proximity Mine. If you want to try it, go ahead though.

[Deerber]

Well, if you really want to use a SR on him, I think your best bet might be the indra.

[T41rdEye]

SE + Valiant = yep
SE + Javelin = nope

Mantis would be okay, as well as Indra, or any other light sniper. A Widow X would even be acceptable.